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Checkmate! A Hillary Move To The Right Would Capture The King And End The Game
self | 4/26/08 | levotb

Posted on 04/26/2008 2:44:14 PM PDT by levotb

An Obama nomination is now in doubt. Hillary has won every large state except Obama's own Illinois. The momentum is all Hillary's. It's time to consider "who" she might pick to beat McCain.

Hillary has shown she can now be the "moderate" Dem and even a populist. Obama's fall and McCain's unpopularity with conservatives shows the country does not want a liberal (McCain) or a Socialist (Obama) for President. While she will pull our troops out of that toilet bowl/hellhole called Iraq, she's decidedly for winning in Afghanistan. That's hardly "a leftist" position! She's come out against dl's for illegals. The chances of her "moving right" after becoming President are good. The chances of McCain "moving right" are slim and none. While she needs the Latino vote to get elected, after beating McCain, I believe she will turn right-- particularly on the Invasion by Mexico. The Border is a war zone. The cartels are getting stronger. What has McCain done in the 25 years he's been in office about the Invasion from Mexico? Nothing, except push for Amnesty and continued open borders. Americans have spoken loud and clear on Amnesty, the Border fence and interior enforcement. Special Order 40--the pro-illegal alien gang banger policy instituted in 1979 by the insane former-L.A. Police Chief Daryl Gates--is close to being rescinded in Los Angeles County. The DHS raids on businesses across the country have been few and far between, but they're having the desired effect. States that passed tough anti-illegal alien laws are seeing mass exodus of illegals to other states. If Hillary really wants to protect the U.S. and values American workers, she'll flip on illegal immigration. A Heath Shuler or Byron Dorgan VP pick will show conservatives and Independents that this is where she's headed. Hillary can beat McCain by outflanking him [by] moving right. If anyone can pull it off, it's Hillary!

Senator Dorgan is adored by conservatives all over the country (in large part because he voted against Amnesty) and is one of the sharpest minds in the Senate, if not in all of Congress. He's insightful and has the respect of working men and women-citizens all over the country. He's the only Blue Dog in the Senate who has stood up to Bush and the RINOs from a populist/pro-American worker/ protectionist position. Unlike Dorgan, Sen. Thune (now being considered by McCain as VP and red meat to conservatives) has thrown in with Bush on many issues. Dorgan is a big FAIR TRADER, not a "free trader" or as some call them, "free traitors". The trouble is, Dorgan's from a Northern state and losing him in the Senate will leave only a couple of conservatives in that body.

If on the other hand Hillary decides to pursue "a Southern strategy", there are any number of choices, but the one that pops out at Independents and disaffected conservatives is Rep. Heath Shuler of North Carolina. Shuler won his seat in N.C. in 2006 in a heavily Republican district with an incredible 75% of the vote by running on a tough anti-illegal alien platform (Shuler is mistaken, however, to believe that baloney about there being only "12 million" illegals in the U.S. The CAPS Report of October 2007 found the number to be anywhere from 20 to 38 million and from 2004 data, the Bear Sterns Report estimated the number to be 20 million. He states that "Thousands of illegals are streaming into the U.S. every week". He's got it wrong there, too--it's EVERY DAY, not every week. 3 million break into the U.S. every year--10,000 PER DAY). He's young, good looking and an excellent speaker. Quarterbacks (he was an NFL QB) are known to be good leaders, save for liberals like Jack Kemp. N.C. is a very important state this year. Obama will likely win the N.C. primary because of the black vote, but he could not win the state against McCain as McCain would get the white vote and the crossover Hillary voters who would never vote for Obama. With Hillary as the nominee, a Heath Shuler VP selection besides being a good overall Southern strategy might garner enough N.C. Blue Dems to give Hillary a victory there over McCain who is backed by pro-military whites. Her selecting Shuler would signal voters that N.C. is THE most important state of the "battlegrounders" and also signal that she's going after the South in a big way. Shuler has made a name for himself lately with appearances on the Lou Dobbs Show which caters to Independent voters. Hillary's choosing Shuler would also be a signal that she's serious about going after the much-needed "Independent vote". There is another excellent reason for her selecting someone like Shuler; it would be a signal to disaffected conservatives that Hillary will never sign an Amnesty bill if presented one by Congress. As things stand, with the much hated McCain as the GOP nominee, disgruntled conservatives will have less reason to "stay home" if they see someone like the young Shuler as her VP, or, at the very least, they won't be as likely to cast their votes for McCain. Shuler also brings something that Hillary will see as a treasure trove--he's a Southern Baptist. That is an important Southern voting block and Hillary needs them to win the South. Shuler is best known for having introduced the SAVE Act in 2007, a Border enforcement legislation that was bi-partisan.

http://shuler.house.gov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Shuler

There are certainly reasons why Hillary wouldn't pick Shuler. He might hurt her in Northern, liberal states like New York and CA, but she's already strong in these states with women. Shuler is a liberal on economic and environmental issues. His one, real "negative"--he's young (37). Sen. Dorgan's been in Congress almost as long as McCain. That can be seen as a negative as he's not "new blood" like Rep. Shuler.

If Hillary wants "a rock star" VP with his political life ahead of him, Shuler's the man. He's currently the Deputy House Whip. At 37, he's already done more than most young House members do in there entire careers. His dramatic win in a Republican district in N.C. is something Hillary should seriously consider. Dorgan has a great deal of common sense, something lacking in pols these days. But most importantly, each of them can and will attract crossover Independent and conservative voters who wouldn't vote for McCain if their lives depended on it.

If I were giving Hillary political advice, I'd say "Choose Shuler!". Hillary and the QB...what a combination!


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KEYWORDS: 2008; hillary; pinata; zotbait
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1 posted on 04/26/2008 2:44:14 PM PDT by levotb
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To: levotb

Shuler seems to have his head on straight. If the Dims had any brains they’d throw Barry and Hillary under the bus and nominate Shuler. I’d probably vote for him over McCain.


2 posted on 04/26/2008 2:48:35 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Vote McCain - The Choice who Sucks Less!)
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To: levotb
Pull out of Iraq, let Iran in, and defend Afghanistan? Yeah, that's the ticket, sound judgement there. sarc.
3 posted on 04/26/2008 2:48:50 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( Clinton/Obama .. Obama/ Clinton ... Mc Cain/Obama .. Mc Cain/Clinton ... What a Choice!? Puleeeze!)
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To: levotb

What a piece of worthless crap-ola.

What idiot wrote this piece of trash, “hell whole in Iraq”.

Blah, blah, blah.

All I can say is IBTZ

And screw McCain, vote 3rd party - Barr.


4 posted on 04/26/2008 2:51:19 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: levotb

Oh and I forgot, paragraphs are U friend.


5 posted on 04/26/2008 2:51:56 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: levotb; stockpirate

Hillary would have a long, long way to go to do that. IBTZ.


6 posted on 04/26/2008 2:52:12 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: stockpirate
All I can say is IBTZ

Dittos.

prisoner6

7 posted on 04/26/2008 2:54:08 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: levotb

Anyone who thinks Hillary Rodham has swum through sh*t for 30 years in order to give up her Marxism and abandon her lesbian fascist inner circle at THIS point is delusional.

She’s almost got her hands on the prize. The Long March for Hillary and the small army of communists who have followed her and sustained her since 1969 is almost over.

It is a fantasy that she will change, now. You should have supported Obama when you had the chance.


8 posted on 04/26/2008 2:55:40 PM PDT by Jim Noble (I've got a home in Glory Land that outshines the sun)
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To: levotb

Interesting points. Our GOP candidate is so far to the left, it is conceiveable that Hillary could run to his right, at least on a couple of issues. Hopefully, McCain will figure this out, and move to the right a little, although, I’m not guessing he’ll do so.


9 posted on 04/26/2008 2:56:23 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: prisoner6; levotb

MacDitto’s for sure.

Soomeone should get this POS pulled.

He should post this on DU.


10 posted on 04/26/2008 2:56:40 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: levotb
Do you understand how upset Moveon and the daily Kr$p are at Hillary already?
11 posted on 04/26/2008 2:56:53 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Sleep with one eye open, Gripping your pillow tight , Exit light , Enter night.......)
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To: levotb

Shuler? Rock star? Did you ever see him play pro football?


12 posted on 04/26/2008 2:57:17 PM PDT by rabidralph (The Clintons managed to make $109M during Pres. Bush's "failed" economy.)
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To: rabidralph

I’m guessing not.


13 posted on 04/26/2008 2:57:32 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: levotb

She is a Socialist and Marxist, and I don’t mean Harpo Marx.


14 posted on 04/26/2008 2:57:34 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: levotb

Uh, Shrillary has to win the nomination first - are you imagining that she should announce her VP pick now, or are you talking hypothetically about the general election? It’s debatable whether one of these VP picks would help her in the fall, but surely you don’t imagine that announcing Shuler or Dorgan NOW as her VP pick is going to help her wrap up the nomination with the Demagogues? Maybe Shuler helps her catch up in NC, although she still probably wouldn’t win there against Obama, but in any case she has to win the nomination first before “tacking right” can possibly help her.....


15 posted on 04/26/2008 2:58:52 PM PDT by Enchante (Obama: All you dumb, bitter "typical white people" must learn to say "God D--n America!")
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To: levotb

If Hillary moved to the right in reality she might get close to McGovern. Remember, many of Hillary’s votes are from conservative Democrats who will not vote for her in November (if nominated) — they just don’t like Obama. There are also Republicans voting for her to spoil the Democratic race.


16 posted on 04/26/2008 2:59:22 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: levotb

If we want to read this type of fractured Democratic Party diatribe, we can go to DU or Daily KOS.

‘nuff said!


17 posted on 04/26/2008 2:59:31 PM PDT by jim-x (God help America survive its enemies within.)
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To: levotb

I don’t think Hillary will get the nod at this point. There are too many people against her and going with her would cause a revolt among African-American voters. And lets face it: she failed miserably. She went into the Fall as the “inevitable” nominee and got upstaged by Obama. While their vote tallies may be nearly equal, when you consider where she started + her advantages, she blew it big time.

That being said, I now realize I would feel more comfortable with her as the Dem nominee. Not because I support her, its just a case of the Devil you know being preferable to the Devil you don’t. And the last few months has convinced me that (1) Obama is dangerous, and (2) there are enough damn fools in this country that he has a real shot at winning.


18 posted on 04/26/2008 3:01:33 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Bushwacker777

Conservative Democrats? Both of them?


19 posted on 04/26/2008 3:02:06 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: stockpirate

Sure has a lot of truth in it for a piece of crap.


20 posted on 04/26/2008 3:05:12 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism is dying. Thank God!)
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To: levotb
Is this (purposefully) satire? ...Is this for real? ...surely not the latter.
21 posted on 04/26/2008 3:09:19 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid,doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you..our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: levotb; All

Liberal / conservative politics aside, I won’t vote to make our Armed Forces answerable to either Clinton or Obama as a Commander in Chief.


22 posted on 04/26/2008 3:09:24 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: stockpirate

What does IBTZ mean?

Ed


23 posted on 04/26/2008 3:11:21 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: levotb
Wrong.

Hillary is above everything else, a socialist and a liar. Her positions are no different than Obama's. She will say and/or do anything to gain power and there is no end to her willingness to deceive.

Anyone who hasn't learned this is either playing the game with her, or a moron.

24 posted on 04/26/2008 3:14:14 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (Chief Illiniwek (1926-2007))
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To: levotb

This is all speculation and fantasy. Hillary will not be the nominee. If she could somehow get the nomination the Dems would be left ‘a party no more’.


25 posted on 04/26/2008 3:14:51 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Don't blame me...............I supported Duncan Hunter.)
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To: levotb

I don’t consider allowing amnesty for illegal immigrants to occur “to the max” as well as allowing illegal immigrants the right to legally vote in all future U.S. elections as conservative positions. All three major candidates for POTUS seriously want to do these things! The U.S. is seriously past due for another civil war, thanks mostly to political correctness getting much worse on all of the issues for everyone everyday!


26 posted on 04/26/2008 3:17:22 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: levotb
Personally, I do not believe that hillary will cut from Iraq.
She would make face saving gestures but we would be there for a very long time.

All of this is moot anyway as she is behind on delegates, votes, and cash.
Should all of that change - and I seriously doubt that it will, this might be an interesting discussion.

Hell, McCain hasn't even made a peep about a VP and he has the nomination locked up.

27 posted on 04/26/2008 3:20:16 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: levotb

Did you write this?


28 posted on 04/26/2008 3:22:21 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: levotb

Makes more sense now ...her statement, if true, last week that she would think of bombing Iran.


29 posted on 04/26/2008 3:23:37 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: levotb
Well, Shuler certainly has one characteristic that suits him to be the vice-president for a Clinton.

Like Algore, he's dumb as a post.

p

30 posted on 04/26/2008 3:26:02 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Amendment10

Neither will I. That is the biggest issue here, although McCain in charge won’t be good either.


31 posted on 04/26/2008 3:26:22 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: levotb

I’ve been saying for years that Hillary Clinton wants to be President so badly, that if she has to run and govern as a right-wing conservative to do so, she would.


32 posted on 04/26/2008 3:30:25 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: atomicweeder

She wouldn’t even know how to start.


33 posted on 04/26/2008 3:31:57 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Sir_Ed

“””What does IBTZ mean?”””

It means “I’m being a tardlike zombie” (sarc)

It means “In before the zot”

You know what zot is don’t you?


34 posted on 04/26/2008 3:35:13 PM PDT by jsh3180
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To: darkwing104; Old Sarge
SNIFF (ozone advisory)
35 posted on 04/26/2008 3:40:41 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: levotb
today's puzzler:
hypothetically, if hillary picked mclame as her running mate or mclame picked hillary as his running mate, who would veer more to the right?
36 posted on 04/26/2008 3:47:17 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: JohnLongIsland

I’ve asked that very question on another thread.
McCain/Clinton? Why not?


37 posted on 04/26/2008 3:53:21 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: lesser_satan

Oh no!!! Shuler looks like a young Al Gore.


38 posted on 04/26/2008 4:03:23 PM PDT by no dems (The Democrats destroying each other gives me moments of pleasureable reflections.)
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To: Jim Noble

You should have supported Obama when you had the chance.

AMEN. AMEN. AMEN


39 posted on 04/26/2008 4:04:16 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: WildcatClan

“This is all speculation and fantasy. Hillary will not be the nominee.”

And I believe all because NOBODY wants Bill back in the White House!!!


40 posted on 04/26/2008 4:05:29 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: All

It’s now time to erase Hillary. Do what you can to pump up Obama’s delegate count from here on out.

Hillary nominated will not be selecting anyone but a black man or woman for VP. Obama will select a woman (enraging Hillary into working against him quietly).

Obama is the optimal nominee for the GOP because he is farthest from the center. Do what you can to get him nominated.


41 posted on 04/26/2008 4:33:11 PM PDT by Owen
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To: levotb

Hillary could move slightly to the right and match McCain, who has moved decidedly to the left in the past eight years. Actually, McCain has done more damage to the conservative cause than Hillary. If she moves to the right on taxes and slightly on homeland security, the only difference will be abortion and Iraq.


42 posted on 04/26/2008 4:36:12 PM PDT by Eva (CHANGE - the new euphemism for Marxist revolution)
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To: levotb

Who can believe ANYTHING Hillary says about what she is “going to do” when she can’t tell the truth if it hits her in the face?


43 posted on 04/26/2008 4:45:52 PM PDT by Twinkie (TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT !!!)
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To: darkangel82
Drinks on the house. IBTZ?


44 posted on 04/26/2008 4:48:10 PM PDT by OeOeO (Sic Transit Gloria Mundi... Gloria get me a beer,and hurry..)
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To: levotb

Hard to pick the most inane sentence in this essay of inanities but perhaps it is ...

“Senator Dorgan is adored by conservatives all over the country (in large part because he voted against Amnesty) and is one of the sharpest minds in the Senate, if not in all of Congress”.


45 posted on 04/26/2008 5:06:15 PM PDT by dodger
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To: Jim Noble

If She-Bubba gets the nomination there will be riots in the streets, and the Dims know it. The Dims created identity politics and they are now stuck with it. And there is one thing Dims fear above almost all else: Being called racist. The Dim superdelegates will make sure the Magic Mulatto gets the nomination, if for no other reason than to escape the label of racist.


46 posted on 04/26/2008 5:17:34 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: bill1952
McCain/Clinton? Why not?

For starters, because John McCain wants to live past January 21st, 2009.

47 posted on 04/26/2008 5:21:58 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

“The U.S. is seriously past due for another civil war, thanks mostly to political correctness getting much worse on all of the issues for everyone everyday!”

Sadly, and reluctantly, I agree with you.


48 posted on 04/26/2008 5:22:09 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: levotb

We should all feel sorry for levotb. I’m sure s/he is very embarrassed now. S/he spent a lot of time preparing this screed, even removing certain paragraph breaks.

And, finally, when the big moment arrives s/he discovers, to her/his horror that s/he posted this on FR instead of DU.

I base 95% of this opinion on the fact that h/she is a “post and run and hide” type of person.


49 posted on 04/26/2008 5:27:23 PM PDT by upchuck (Who wins doesn't matter. They're all liberals. Spend your time and money to take back Congress.)
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To: jsh3180

Ahhh...I see.

Thanks!

Ed


50 posted on 04/26/2008 6:05:54 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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