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Guantánamo drives prisoners insane, lawyers say
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/26/america/gitmo.php ^

Posted on 04/26/2008 5:46:25 PM PDT by traumer

Next month, Salim Ahmed Hamdan, a Yemeni who was once a driver for Osama bin Laden, could become the first detainee to be tried for war crimes in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. By now, he should be busily working on his defense.

But his lawyers say he cannot. They say Hamdan, already the subject of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling, has essentially been driven insane by solitary confinement in a tiny cell where he spends at least 22 hours a day, goes to the bathroom and eats all his meals. His defense team says he is suicidal, hears voices, has flashbacks, talks to himself and says the restrictions of Guantánamo "boil his mind."

"He will shout at us," said his military defense lawyer, Lieutenant Commander Brian Mizer. "He will bang his fists on the table."

His lawyers have asked a military judge to stop his case until Hamdan is placed in less restrictive conditions at Guantánamo, saying he cannot get a fair trial if he cannot focus on defending himself. The judge is to hear arguments as soon as Monday on whether he has the power to consider the claim.

Critics have long asserted that Guantánamo's climate-controlled isolation is a breeding ground for insanity. But turning that into a legal claim marks a new stage for the military commissions at Guantánamo. As military prosecutors push to get trials under way, they are being met with challenges not just to the charges, but to Guantánamo itself.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; binladen; detainees; gitmo; guantanamo; hamdan; solitary; terrorism; terrortrials; wot
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1 posted on 04/26/2008 5:46:26 PM PDT by traumer
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And the problem is... ?


2 posted on 04/26/2008 5:47:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: traumer

The mussie scum started out insane.....we are just helping them get completed...


3 posted on 04/26/2008 5:48:01 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Guantánamo’s climate-controlled isolation is a breeding ground for insanity...

Give them something to do !


4 posted on 04/26/2008 5:48:09 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

“His defense team says he is suicidal, hears voices, has flashbacks, talks to himself and says the restrictions of Guantánamo “boil his mind.”
Well,,, he is a muslim.


5 posted on 04/26/2008 5:48:18 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: traumer

LMAO!! This ought to be good. Can’t wait to see the comments for this thread!!


6 posted on 04/26/2008 5:48:19 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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7 posted on 04/26/2008 5:48:22 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs to said?)
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To: traumer

Yeah, cause there is no way he was nuts before he got there>


8 posted on 04/26/2008 5:49:07 PM PDT by benjamin032
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To: SandRat

I love that jpeg!


9 posted on 04/26/2008 5:49:07 PM PDT by samtheman
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10 posted on 04/26/2008 5:49:39 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

What? People pay good money for oceanside vacations in Cuba and these puds are staying for free. What the hell’s their problem?


11 posted on 04/26/2008 5:50:10 PM PDT by RichInOC (HOW ARE YOU OSAMA!! ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US. HA HA HA HA....)
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To: traumer
Well...it's a short drive.

prisoner6

12 posted on 04/26/2008 5:50:44 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: traumer

*sniff* *sob*


13 posted on 04/26/2008 5:52:00 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: traumer

Good, maybe they’ll talk sooner.


14 posted on 04/26/2008 5:55:26 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: traumer
*shock* ....and here, I thought it was just their "Moon Cult" Religion
15 posted on 04/26/2008 6:00:11 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid,doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you..our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
And the problem is... ?

EXACTLY

16 posted on 04/26/2008 6:01:12 PM PDT by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: traumer
Did the critics once rail against the non-climate controlled conditions down there?

Could be the critics are also insane.

17 posted on 04/26/2008 6:01:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: traumer

The realization of defeat from this raghead is doing it.


18 posted on 04/26/2008 6:02:06 PM PDT by eyedigress (If you aren't voting who cares about your opinion.)
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To: traumer

Well, here in the US we have the Democrat Party driving us insane.


19 posted on 04/26/2008 6:02:06 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: traumer
climate-controlled isolation is a breeding ground for insanity.

From a man that won't own a TV, and gave up a relationship with a HOT older TSgt that happened to have a little drama in her life....

Climate controlled isolation sounds like heaven to me.

I'll even stand respectully for the Colors, morning and night. As always.

/johnny/

20 posted on 04/26/2008 6:04:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: traumer
Not being able to chop off someone's head every week Guantánamo drives prisoners insane, lawyers say

There, fixed it.

21 posted on 04/26/2008 6:04:54 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: traumer

“Guantanamo drives prisoners insane”

Yeah, because they can’t kill infidels and go to wherever-the- Hell- it is they go to butt rape goats and camels for all eternity.

Who gives an airborne coitus?

I hope they save us the trouble and kill themselves.


22 posted on 04/26/2008 6:09:44 PM PDT by Levante
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To: traumer

Awwwwwww, poor raghead death-cultist! Indoor plumbing, electricity and no camels- must be hell.
He really shouldn’t be there, nope, none of them should. I’d have put them all IN Guantanamo Bay long ago.

This post has put a smile on my face. Thank you!


23 posted on 04/26/2008 6:09:50 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: traumer
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24 posted on 04/26/2008 6:10:09 PM PDT by Clear Rivers
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To: traumer

Critics have long asserted that Guantánamo’s climate-controlled isolation is a breeding ground for insanity

LOL! Yeah, that will work.
Argue that putting extremely violent and homicidal criminals in a jail setting is unfair.
LOL!


25 posted on 04/26/2008 6:17:47 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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26 posted on 04/26/2008 6:17:49 PM PDT by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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To: robomatik
Don't go there. I read the book (too young to see the movie, but I checked out the book from the library, no prob). I know where stuff got hidden.

/johnny/

27 posted on 04/26/2008 6:21:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: traumer

Wonder how they’d feel if they were in a top story of a building and some satanic ragheads drove a jetliner into it?


28 posted on 04/26/2008 6:25:21 PM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: traumer

I suggest we solve this problem by hanging the lawyer first. Then once we know the rope won’t break we proceed with the insane guy.


29 posted on 04/26/2008 6:28:24 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Allegra

From teh article:

“for possessing too many socks.”

Socks, too many of them. ping.


30 posted on 04/26/2008 6:28:29 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: driftdiver
I don't know who you are, I don't know what problem you are trying to solve.

I can live with your solution.

/johnny/

31 posted on 04/26/2008 6:30:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: traumer
"Lawyers for detainees"

I scoured the article for the name of a certain lawyer who was one of my husband's college buddies who went to Guantanimo to help the poor terrorists....it should be an interesting class reunion next year, when I see him.....

32 posted on 04/26/2008 6:31:17 PM PDT by goodnesswins (20 is the new 10)
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To: traumer

How can they tell, exactly ?


33 posted on 04/26/2008 6:32:05 PM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: traumer

Would waterboarding him for a few hours a day help him on his road to insanity? How about feeding him ham sandwiches and spare ribs?


34 posted on 04/26/2008 6:33:13 PM PDT by skimask (Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: traumer
His defense team says he is suicidal, hears voices, has flashbacks, talks to himself and says the restrictions of Guantánamo "boil his mind."

And they want us to believe he wasn't a whack job before he ever set foot on Cuba? Good luck with that.

35 posted on 04/26/2008 6:34:48 PM PDT by penowa
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“...by solitary confinement in a tiny cell where he spends at least 22 hours a day, goes to the bathroom and eats all his meals.”

And reads his Koran. (I’m pretty sure even in solitary they get their Koran).

That would drive me nuts too.


36 posted on 04/26/2008 6:41:31 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: bill1952

only one problem with your post, they arent criminals. They are terrorists intent on our destruction. they are our enemy and seek our destruction.

just a nit though, I totally agree with the spirit of your post.


37 posted on 04/26/2008 6:43:10 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: JRandomFreeper

“I don’t know what problem you are trying to solve.”

The problem here is too many lawyers and too many terrorists getting luxury treatment instead of a coffin.


38 posted on 04/26/2008 6:44:43 PM PDT by driftdiver
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too many lawyers and too many terrorists getting luxury treatment instead of a coffin.

Plenty of American boys were wrapped in a pancho and laid to rest. The terrorists, and the other terrorists... they don't need no stinking boxes.

/johnny/

39 posted on 04/26/2008 6:50:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“The terrorists, and the other terrorists... they don’t need no stinking boxes.”

Whats your plan for holding the pig feces in close to their stinkin corpse then?


40 posted on 04/26/2008 6:52:04 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
Don't have to wrap it tight, just let it permeate. Bury them in pig wallows. Over eternity, the pig stuff will contaminate anything close.

Heck, me breathing after breakfast is NOT HALAL. For several reasons. Pork being one of them.

/johnny

41 posted on 04/26/2008 6:57:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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... another detainee, Stafford Smith said, has smeared feces on his cell walls. “When I asked him why he was doing it, he told me he had no idea,”


42 posted on 04/26/2008 7:02:23 PM PDT by traumer
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So, this joke against America continues.

First, you declare them eligible for criminal trial, where they are found guilty by reason of insanity. So, you lock them up in an asylum for the criminally insane, where they spend a few months. Soon, the “doctors” at the asylum declare them “sane”, & release them into society. And, you can't deport them because no country wants them & their home country might “violate their civil rights”.

The perfect lib lawyer scenario!

JUST SHOOT THE TERRORIST SOBs, EARLY & OFTEN!

43 posted on 04/26/2008 7:15:46 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: traumer

Every other ridiculous defense has been tried, why not this one? Torture, religious intolerance (koran flushing), sexual abuse (naked female interrogaters - sounds ok to me) - these Gitmo lawyers will do/say anything to make a name for themselves, and to manufacture any sympathy possible


44 posted on 04/26/2008 7:37:01 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: traumer
Brought to you by the letters B and S.
45 posted on 04/26/2008 7:41:25 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: traumer

Personally, I think we should just take them all out and put a bullet between their eyes.

Insanity? These mooselimb wackos are a few bricks shy of a load anyway.

Shoot ‘em all and let Allah sort ‘em out.


46 posted on 04/26/2008 7:50:04 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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the bush administration sure knows how to set themselves up as a target

and to rally the democrats and their tv viewers.

i can’t count the number of people i know that sit in front of a tv, and hate bush.

guantanamo should have been located in iraq or afghanistan, far from media eyes.


47 posted on 04/26/2008 8:35:25 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: traumer

Well, if this isn’t the pit of shit! It’s my understanding Club Gitmo is suppose to relieve terrorists from the “stress” of jihad.

What in the living hell is wrong with this used colostomy bag? Maybe, instead of complaining about alleged insanity, this person needs some “stress relief.”


48 posted on 04/26/2008 8:37:31 PM PDT by xc1427 (It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees...Midnight Oil (Power and the Passion))
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To: traumer

I think most of the Gitmo prisoners were probably already clinically insane for much of their lives.


49 posted on 04/26/2008 9:06:37 PM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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Guantánamo, a military spokeswoman said, does not have solitary confinement, only "single-occupancy cells."

Single occupancy" describes solitary confinement -- which would drive most anyone insane within a month. Yes, they are war criminals, but at least either give them decent confinement or shoot them and put them out of their misery.

50 posted on 04/26/2008 9:24:24 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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