Posted on 04/26/2008 9:36:42 PM PDT by Ladycalif
By Lizbeth Diaz
TIJUANA, Mexico (Reuters) - Seventeen Mexican drug gang members were killed near the U.S. border on Saturday, their bodies scattered along a road after one of the deadliest shootouts in Mexico's three-year narco-war.
Rival factions of the Arellano Felix drug cartel in Tijuana on the Mexico-California border battled each other with rifles and machine guns in the early hours of the morning, police said.
Fourteen bodies were lying in pools of blood on a road near assembly-for-export maquiladora plants on the city's eastern limits. The corpses were surrounded by hundreds of bullet casings and many of their faces were destroyed.
The 15th body was found nearby. Two more men died in hospital on Saturday evening, police said.
Six men were wounded and another six were arrested, but some gang members are thought to have escaped.
Two of the dead were believed to be senior hitmen for the Arellano Felix cartel and were identified by large gold rings on their fingers. The rings carried the icon of Saint Death, a ghoulish figure that gangsters believe protects them, police said.
"Today shows we are facing a terrible war never seen before on the (U.S.-Mexico) border," Baja California Attorney General Rommel Moreno told a news conference.
Some 190 people have been killed in Tijuana so far this year. In 2007, there were more than 2,500 drug killings across Mexico and there have been more than 900 this year.
Police cordoned off the surrounding roads, forcing workers at a nearby maquiladora to walk through the crime scene to get to work.
"Another shootout," said a woman who gave her name only as Lisa. "There are just too many. We are so afraid."
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Heavily armed federal police patrolled across Tijuana after the gunfight. Soldiers and police guarded the city's main hospital where the wounded were being treated to prevent any attempt by drug gangs to pull them out.
Baja California state police chief Daniel de la Rosa said fresh troops from Mexico City were arriving in Tijuana, which borders San Diego, California.
President Felipe Calderon has sent thousands of troops to Tijuana and Baja California state since taking office in December 2006. Some 25,000 soldiers and federal police are deployed to fight cartels in drug hot spots across Mexico.
The army in Tijuana said it was on high alert for reprisals against soldiers and federal police after the shootout and the ensuing arrests.
"The risk of attacks against our agents after an event like this is extremely high," said Lt. Col Julian Leyzaola, Tijuana's police chief.
The Arellano Felix gang was long the dominant trafficking organization in Tijuana, smuggling drugs into California. Recently the group has been under attack from a rival gang from the Pacific state of Sinaloa, led by Mexico's most wanted man, Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman.
(Writing by Robin Emmott; Editing by John O'Callaghan)
Now that sounds like a stunned beeber ping list time
Tijuana is a hell hole.
Mexico shows signs of lapsing into what it became after 1910.
so it would seem
Cry me a river...
At times such practices have gone to the extreme. In 1989, Mark Kilroy, a 21-year-old U.S. pre-med student, was kidnapped off a busy street in Matamoros, Mexico, across from Brownsville, Texas. The mutilated remains of Kilroy and 14 young men, were later found on a Mexican ranch. The victims had been boiled alive, castrated, slashed and shot, their brains and hearts cut out of their bodies.
Drug smugglers who carried out the satanic ritual believed the sacrifices would give them supernatural protection from the law.
I’ll donate $100 for more ammo.
What's your take on keeping them in that ready state? I have heard of mag springs losing their push up strength in long term storage... I have mags in that ready state that have been so for 8 years, and upon using them at the range had no feeder problems at all.
Your thoughts?
Fixed...
‘Seventeen Mexican drug gang members were killed near the U.S. border”
Sounds like a good start.
Good start indeed
That's a myth from people who don't think. Springs wear out due to metal fatigue from continued compression/decompression.
A compressed gun magazine spring is no different from a car's suspension spring.
Do we jack up our car every night when we get home?
So, no down side. Win-Win situation.
Great way to look at it! As I said, I still have “multiple” mags, in many calibers, that have been at the ready for years. A fella down at the rifle range tried to convince me mag springs that are never decompressed would fail to feed at some point in time... I disproved his posit when my old mags performed flawlessly...
I know youweren’t talking to me, but I have a personal story on that one. A friend of mine inherited her fathers 1911 Colt. She had no desire to have a gun in the home so she gave it to me, take it, shoot it, if you like it, pay me 100 bucks. A good (not great) condition 1911 for 100 bucks with a liberal try out period? Im in.
Several days later, my cat knocked over a lamp and broke a window on the first floor of my house. I was in the cellar and grabbed the 1911, cocking it in the same action. didn’t close the chamber all the way...pulled the action, spent a few seconds dumping the round on the floor and recocked, closed fine.
After discovering what had happened, I picked up the bullet that I keep in my drawer to this day. Looks like the back of the bullet made it into the chamber on time, but the front didn’t. The bullet was pushed back into the casing my a solid .75cm.
Why did this happen? The spring was weak and failed to push the bullet into the chamber before the slide came back.
Gave the gun back and bough a mint Taurus .45. I keep seven in the mag to keep the spring right. If I need more than seven bullets to fend off an attacker, I should have spent more time at the range.
That is my lesson on spring tension. Take it or leave it. I took it.
No, but over time a cars suspension springs wear down and the car lowers itself. Read my last reply.
I read your other post and I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
should make a good movie one day!
The spring was weak and failed to load the round before the slide came back. This was an extreme case, the spring was probably compressed for years and years, but it did fail to load because of a weak mag spring.
I thought Mexico had some pretty stringent gun control laws, so how can this be happening?!
Look at that - he has cartons of beebers next to the quail loads! Is that safe?
Repeated loadings do that, as when a cop locks his gun up, jacking out the round and placing his gun in a locker. Then when he gets his gun back, he reloads the round. If he does that too many times with the same cartridge, when he finally fires it, usually at the range, kaboom!
Most are trained to rotate the bullet they keep in the chamber.
It would seem the .45 you had suffered the results of repeated chambering of the first round in that magazine. Over the years, the bullet was set back in the case. Lucky for you, you noticed it!
Chances are, it had very little to do with the magazine spring.
I think it's best all the same we get them to the range and pop off a few rounds. A full restock won't hurt, either. Who know's what will be available if a democrat takes the lead in the polls later this year?
Anyway, keeping the thought of those magazines just sitting there, the next purchase of "security pieces" I bought were revolvers. Very nice, low profile and easy to keep close. Two Taurus .38's, one for me and one for the Mrs. One was SS and one was black.
My wife picked the black one. Should I be jealous? ; ) Ok, funnin' with ya now...
17 more ICE & the US taxpayers do not have to worry about....keep it up!!!
Ain’t the WOD just wonderful
It is such a success we ought to bring back Prohibition
so we can have full gang employment and there wouldn’t be a need for gang wars
More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says
When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.
Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.
Wanted for Murder in New York City.
Chicago wanted for Murder
Philadelphia wanted for murder
San Francisco wanted for Murder
New Orleans wanted for Murder
Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC
FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals
There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.
Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.
Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs
Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.
To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.
All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. See also here and here Here is more info from Judicial Watch.
However the number of illegals on death row is far lower.
no, this happened all at once, bullet was new and was sent so far back it looks funny from 5 feet away.
Spent too much time in the Jungle, if you get my drift ;-)
My carry pieces are maxed out, with a full chamber as well...
I pinged some other folks in the know on this subject, and added the banglist keyword, I'm sure we will get some good chatter on the subject!
Porting and polishing the ramp helps, heck I can usually cycle empties manually. :-)
I purposefully loaded two mags full and let them simmer for 14 months, then took them to the range and ran them both out, no feed problems. I don't know about very extended periods, I suspect dirt and dust would also contribute.
The slide can't strip a round off the mag until it has come back all the way.
...the spring was probably compressed for years and years, but it did fail to load because of a weak mag spring...
Well, when you get home tonight, jack up your car. Wouldn't want your suspension springs compressed all night long.
Indeed it does! All my semi auto pistols are tuned in that manner... I try to buy nothing but the same name magazines for each tool. Spendy? Yes. Worth it? You bettcha!
If I wasn’t going to use my vehicle for a couple of months, I would jack it up to save on the springs and especially the tires.
Ammunition is best stored in original packaging.
Should not be a problem. My 70+ mags are always loaded.
I’m having a problem with Wilson magazines. Even the newer ones are failing. I’m wondering why this isn’t the reason they created a new line of so-called “Tactical” magazines.
Tijuana was a fun place, for this teenager in the 40’s - I spent many weekends there. >:-}
Why do I get the most responses to anecdotal comments as opposed to most of my thoughtful posts?
Yes the slide went all the way past the mag before the spring started it’s job. Im understand that.
This particular weapon was a Korean war 1911. If my car was a 1952 Chevy and it sat on it’s springs that long, the springs would degrade and the car would sag. Have no fear, I am not going to jack up my 2003 Vibe GT to alleviate spring wear.
Because it’s raining, outside of that I would put the sucker up on blocks.....only kidding
I’m a memeber on three gun forums, and people are stocking up like crazy.
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