Posted on 04/27/2008 7:05:54 PM PDT by demoskowitz
That is why the strategy is intended to create a layered defense that would create a national federal standard to operate a boat, Allen says.
The Coast Guard will work with states to establish minimum safety standards and ways to enforce the new rules. That may include requiring boat operators to have a copy of the safety certification on board with them and a piece of identification that links them to the certificate. That's important, security officials say, because currently there is no uniform requirement for pleasure boaters to have identification on board with them on the water.
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That is why the strategy is intended to create a layered defense that would create a national federal standard to operate a boat, Allen says.
Government control and yet more government control. ;-(
Another brick in the wall.
Federal boat registration/licensing will be as effective against terrorism as gun control is effective in stopping murder in Chicago.
But they’ll have a nifty database of citizens and their boats, should there be a need for a new federal tax or class of citizens who can’t own boats.
Hey, maybe putting metal detectors at Boston airports would stop hijackers from flying into buildings!
How about my canoe, then...?
Ve vant to zee your papers!
Why do we bother with States anymore? I mean what’s the point?
Bin Laden’s had his eye on my ‘63 Sears runabout for some time.
Another of the thousand cuts to freedom
The Coast Guard has domain over all navivgational waterways. That means rivers that have dams with locks etc. Most states if not all have a boat registration requirement on all motor driven boats. What next a U.S. license plate on our cars? Der all seeing Orfice of Homeland Insecurity will keep the records no doubt. G.W. Bush has given the DEMs more power and tools to use against us than Al Gore could have ever hoped for in a 16 year term. He has been the worse GOP POTUS second to none on goverment expansion including his own father who is second and Ford third.
The only proposal I see is for a new bureaucracy with which checks & credit cards will be the preferred payment.
Do these federal idiots really think some terrorist is going to comply with this paperwork. Where do they find these people?
This federal boat license proposal is just stupid. Not only a waste of time and money, but just a distraction from the real issues of security that threaten this country.
I speak from firsthand knowledge and experience when I say that this ship has already sailed - American pleasure boaters have no freedom from government harassment on US waterways.
The coast guard already has carte blanche to board any vessel in US waters - and for any reason. Oh - no good reason? Then how about a “safety inspection” - which is the preferred rationale for this burgeoning arm of our manifest tyranny.
A whole lot of Germans learned, and died learning, that lesson.
They do not care about terrorist or criminals.
They are about denying freedom to citizens.
Put another way, they are trying to make all citizens criminals.
Easier to control.
Look at gun control.
I would go on, but would take more time and energy than I have at this point.
If you have not read “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross, I suggest you do.
This is by court precedent for the EPA, I believe, so Coast Guard jurisdiction may not go so far.
Its been a long time since I was taught that, but I believe that it is essentially correct.
Meanwhile, the borders are wide open. This isn't about “boating safety.”
Learn to use the word too correctly and then go back to your hole snipe! cva?? You must have been a mole.
Great picture! Where can I buy a beautiful craft like this?
Papieren, bitte.
Just a few weeks ago, didn’t the police in Florida announce that because a half million drivers in Florida didn’t have drivers licenses, that they were not going to make a big issue of it?
Americans have become so used to the idea of so many licenses, IDs, identification papers, certificates, and other such efforts at *control*, that we have forgotten to ask THE really big question: does it really accomplish anything?
Government will always try to get more control over the public, be it with IDs, databases, dossiers, surveillance, wiretapping, secret policemen, and some variety of hostage taking or other, etc.
But it generally doesn’t work. If you could glance at your FBI file, you would probably think you were looking at the wrong records. There is no error checking,
All told, driver’s licenses, because they are generated locally, are the most accurate, and most used, type of ID. But beyond that, government licenses and IDs are pretty crappy. They are just pacifiers so that the government thinks it is doing something, not just sitting on its thumbs.
Importantly, when a government becomes obsessed with such things, it is confessing that it is so incompetent, it can no longer carry out the responsibilities of government, so it is concentrating on minutiae. It cannot defend the nation, so it pretends that the amount of toilet paper people use is important. It cares that everyone eats a healthy diet, even if the economy is failing. It frets that there are people walking around with unlicensed snorkels, because it sees itself crumbling.
We all have the freedom to leave. Arguing against Police Power is like pi$$ing into the wind, you get a warm feeling but who wants to get close to you? There are more important battles than this one.
Hypocrite! I bet you curse Clinton daily huh? Yet when good old George-R one program or law at a times takes from you what the DEMs before him could not ever have done you turned a blind eye because it's the GOP doing it. But if Hillary or Obama wins you'll suddenly find your Oh My Gosh this is tyranny bearings again right? I bet you do.
As for licensing boats most if not all states do in now. A game officer for example can check your history {even bow numbers} every bit as fast as the cop who pulls you over. So you tell me what is the purpose in this yet another expansion of federal goverment?
There are always more important battles.
But wars are not always won on big battles.
Sometimes small battles won over time equal one big battle.
What is price of one more freedom lost??
Where should I go??
Better that I should fight for what I have now, than to fight for what I could have??
My question to you, security at what cost???
How many freedoms/liberties are you willing to forgo??
Police Power pissing into the wind, I wish the Founding fathers were still alive, they would probably have something to say on that question.
Where do you draw the line, when police power raids your house by mistake, when they kill your loved one??
When police power takes away your right to freedom of speech, to protect home or loved one??
Where would you like to draw line, probably not same place I would!!
WTH is that supposed to mean? We're supposed to "provide" FReedom for the rest of this pisspot world, but ignore the loss of our own in the process? You're nutz! Fess up, the best parts of you splattered on the cave floor. Blackbird.
No, it will be like BATFE enforcement. I'll get a call that my registered, licensed Boston Whaler was seen “near” a cargo ship in the LA harbor, and could I show up at the office with my training certificate, boat registration (state, county, federal, and Mexican), and drivers license to go over some small details of how you filled them out? A Whaler is a three-masted ship, right?
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