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Advocates: Voter ID ruling may disenfranchise US voters
AP via CoCoTimes ^ | 4/28/8 | DEBORAH HASTINGS AP National Writer

Posted on 04/28/2008 3:55:37 PM PDT by SmithL

The Supreme Court's refusal to strike down an Indiana law requiring government-issued photo identification at the ballot box could disenfranchise minority and elderly voters at next week's primary and prompt other states to pass similar laws, voting advocates said Monday.

The court, in a splintered 6-3 ruling Monday, said Indiana's law, which took effect in 2006 and requires voters to present a state or federal photo ID card at the ballot box, does not violate the First or 14th amendments. The court said the law served as a justifiable protection to the electoral process.

"It's especially worrisome that the court has sent a signal making it easier to put up barriers to people voting," said Michael Waldman, executive director of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University's law school. "There's a real risk that people will see this as a green light to pass restrictive voter ID laws in other states."

More than 20 states require some type of identification at the polls. But only Georgia and Indiana require government-issued photo IDs. In recent years, appellate courts have upheld bitterly fought identification laws in Arizona, Georgia and Michigan, but none is as stringent as the Indiana law.

Advocacy groups, including the Brennan Center, say they know of no voter fraud case ever being prosecuted against someone who impersonated another voter at the polls. Indiana's Republican Secretary of State Todd Rokita acknowledged there were no prosecutions in his state for impersonating voters, but said the measure was necessary to protect election integrity.

Indiana Solicitor General Tom Fisher, who argued the state's case before the high court, said Monday's ruling vindicates the law as a "common sense measure to protect the security and integrity of elections.

Of the remaining state primaries, Indiana's vote on May 6 has the most possibility for voter confusion over ID rules, voting advocates say. The remaining states, including Nebraska, Kentucky and Idaho, have much more lax identification requirements.

Those states that worry election advocates because of ongoing efforts to pass strict photo ID laws include Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma. But it appeared unlikely Monday that legislators in those states would be able to push any such measures through before November's general election.

In Missouri, where the state supreme court overruled a previous photo-ID law, Republican Rep. Stanley Cox earlier this year proposed a constitutional amendment requiring such identification. He'd been waiting on the Supreme Courts decision before aggressively lobbying for it, but with Missouri's legislative session due to end May 16, Cox said Monday that the high court's ruling came too late.

"As a practical matter, the voters probably won't have this choice until 2010," Cox said.

Across the country, as many as 20 million people lack such identification, most of them minorities and the elderly who don't have drivers' licenses or passports and are unable to afford the cost of obtaining documentation to apply for such identification, advocacy groups say.

In Indiana, more than 20 percent of black voters do not have access to a valid photo ID, according to an October 2007 study by the University of Washington.

In tiny Marion County, 34 Indiana voters without the proper identification were forced to file provisional ballots in an offseason local election. According to Indiana's photo law, voters have 10 days to return to the county courthouse with the proper identification. They can also file an affidavit claiming poverty.

"Who's going to do that?" asked Bob Brandon, president of Fair Elections Legal Network, a nonpartisan network of election lawyers. "Who's going to show up and sign an affidavit saying 'I'm poor'?"


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: asspressbias; crawford; disenfranchise; photoid; ruling; scotus; voterfraud
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1 posted on 04/28/2008 3:55:37 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
"Who's going to show up and sign an affidavit saying 'I'm poor'?"

The same people who show up at the welfare office and say "Gimme money".

2 posted on 04/28/2008 3:58:57 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SmithL
In Indiana, more than 20 percent of black voters do not have access to a valid photo ID, according to an October 2007 study by the University of Washington.

Complete B.S.
3 posted on 04/28/2008 3:59:27 PM PDT by day10 (Rules cannot substitute for character.)
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To: SmithL
Advocates: Voter ID ruling may disenfranchise US voters

But, it will definitely stop real voter fraud. But, then, why try to do some real good when a possibility of harm, however, remote exists.

Shakespeare said it best: "First let's kill all the lawyers."

4 posted on 04/28/2008 4:00:13 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Ronald Reagan's single biggest mistake: Picking Poppy Bush to be his veep.)
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To: SmithL

6-3 is NOT “splintered.”

The Rats continued attempts to allow illegals and dead people to vote is what undermines our freedoms and liberty.

Its about time the SCOTUS put the hammer to this stuff.


5 posted on 04/28/2008 4:01:29 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: SmithL
Indeed. Asspress propaganda alert.
6 posted on 04/28/2008 4:01:48 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: SmithL
Across the country, as many as 20 million people lack such identification, most of them minorities and the elderly who don't have drivers' licenses or passports and are unable to afford the cost of obtaining documentation to apply for such identification, advocacy groups say.

Then how on earth can they go down and vote in the first place???????????

7 posted on 04/28/2008 4:03:23 PM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: DuncanWaring
The same people who show up at the welfare office and say "Gimme money".

And I bet they have to have identification when they do!

8 posted on 04/28/2008 4:03:23 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: SmithL
I say TS to those who do not have, and don't want to put in a minimum effort to get an ID.

And since there is no constitutional right to vote, I saw screw em.

9 posted on 04/28/2008 4:03:24 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: SmithL

Why don’t the dims just set up a program to get legal voters ID? They drive them to the polls, why not drive them to get ID?

The answer of course is that dead people won’t be able to vote and living democrats won’t be able to vote for someone else or twice.


10 posted on 04/28/2008 4:03:59 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: SmithL
"Advocacy groups, including the Brennan Center, say they know of no voter fraud case ever being prosecuted against someone who impersonated another voter at the polls."

Gosh, maybe because the Voter ID program is working the way its supposed to?

11 posted on 04/28/2008 4:04:22 PM PDT by vincentfreeman
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To: E. Cartman

Thank God that Bush won the 2004 election.

Because, John Kerry would have appointed two liberal judges to the Supreme Court. Instead of Roberts and Alito, we would have seen two more liberals appointed. Instead of a 6-3 decision upholding the law, it would have been 5-4 striking it down.

People have their issues with Bush, but conservatives have to be happy about his 2 picks to the Supreme Court.

The next president may have 2 or 3 vacancies to fill on the Court. Some justices are getting older and could retire in the next four years.


12 posted on 04/28/2008 4:04:52 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: All
Yes.. sure...

This is all about desperation cause the illegals, the death, multiple voters, prisoners, and the like will not be able to vote but once!... and they must "alive." :)

If there is ONE THING a country like the U.S. should strive for is the INTEGRITY OF THE VOTE...especially for the losers... they should know they lost fair and square.

13 posted on 04/28/2008 4:05:14 PM PDT by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck?.. Naah :))
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To: SmithL
6 to 3. That's 2 to 1. It's an overwhelming victory. Splintered? BS! Any President that won by that margin would be said to have an unprecedented mandate!
14 posted on 04/28/2008 4:06:04 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: DuncanWaring
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15 posted on 04/28/2008 4:06:18 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Red_Devil 232

The same people who show up at the welfare office and say “Gimme money”.
And I bet they have to have identification when they do!

The only I.D. these parasites need to collect welfare is a gas bill or rent receipt with their Name on it.


16 posted on 04/28/2008 4:07:51 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: SmithL
Voter ID ruling may disenfranchise US voters the illegal and the dead.
17 posted on 04/28/2008 4:14:17 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: SmithL

yeah, “splintered”...


18 posted on 04/28/2008 4:15:34 PM PDT by dubie
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To: SmithL

It’s about time ID was required to vote. Stop a lot of fraud.


19 posted on 04/28/2008 4:16:09 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: SmithL
The writing style is breathtaking, isn't it?

>The Supreme Court's refusal to strike down an Indiana law requiring government-issued photo identification at the ballot box could disenfranchise minority and elderly voters at next week's primary and prompt other states to pass similar laws, voting advocates said Monday.

So....these are the 'advocates' of all voters? Exactly who, in a democracy, DOESN'T advocate voting? A very conspicuous absence of needed adjectives here!

The court, in a splintered 6-3 ruling Monday, said Indiana's law, which took effect in 2006 and requires voters to present a state or federal photo ID card at the ballot box, does not violate the First or 14th amendments. The court said the law served as a justifiable protection to the electoral process.

6-3 is a pretty wide margin on this Court with its reliable voting blocs.

20 posted on 04/28/2008 4:17:16 PM PDT by relictele
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To: SmithL

Right, just the way it “disenfranchises” them when they want to cash a check or get a library card or ...


21 posted on 04/28/2008 4:17:20 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: SmithL
In Indiana, more than 20 percent of black voters do not have access to a valid photo ID

Then how do they get their welfare checks cashed, apply for food stamps, or prove they're 21 to buy booze?

22 posted on 04/28/2008 4:19:41 PM PDT by Gritty (The GOP has no political warriors. None are willing to fight liberalism's premise.-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: yldstrk

Notice how the Dems/Libs/MSM can never produce the Snuffalupagus they claim is the ‘disenfranchised voter’ who got turned away from the polls because of a lack of ID?

As for any chilling effect I say drop the thermostat. Those who aren’t supposed to be voting well....they aren’t supposed to be voting.

Funny how the libs want the simple made complex.


23 posted on 04/28/2008 4:20:21 PM PDT by relictele
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To: BerniesFriend

They need an ID to claim their welfare benefits, their medical care, their foodstamps, enroll their kids in public school, etc. They have IDs. The Dims have their collective panties in a wad because requiring a valid ID will cut down on voter fraud, and the Dims cannot win without fraud.


24 posted on 04/28/2008 4:20:45 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

great post!
if you’re poor you have welfare ID
if you’re old, Social Sec & Medicare

this is all about Dumbocrats fearing loss of fraud privileges

glad to be living in Indiana today (even if we did let Bill Clinton into one of our high schools)


25 posted on 04/28/2008 4:24:28 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: SmithL

Yeah, really. Some ‘splintered’ 6-3 ruling. Three of them said the Democrats were morons, the other three said they were fools, too.

It’s a solid ruling on a simple, straightforward basis.


26 posted on 04/28/2008 4:24:54 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Gritty

Unless there is is some sort of Indiana statute baring African Americans from obtaining ID’s at the DMV, that assertion is a flat out lie.


27 posted on 04/28/2008 4:25:02 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: SmithL
"The Supreme Court's refusal to strike down an Indiana law requiring government-issued photo identification at the ballot box could disenfranchise.....elderly voters ...

They are so old that there are no photographs of them?

28 posted on 04/28/2008 4:25:47 PM PDT by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He's so far to the left, he'll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)
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To: SmithL
"The Supreme Court's refusal to strike down an Indiana law requiring government-issued photo identification at the ballot box could disenfranchise.....elderly voters ...

They are so old that there are no photographs of them?

29 posted on 04/28/2008 4:25:50 PM PDT by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He's so far to the left, he'll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)
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To: SmithL
Fornicate you, Advocates, I'M TIRED OF THE CHEATERS YOU REPRESENT DISENFRANCHISING ME.
30 posted on 04/28/2008 4:25:59 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: yldstrk
I have to produce an ID (ostensibly...I'm in my 50s) to buy alcohol, cash a check and get on a plane.

But I shouldn't have to in order to vote?

Given that my vote is the most important thing that comes with being an American citizen (and a fraudulent voter canceling mine out being the most egregious thing), I can live with that.

31 posted on 04/28/2008 4:26:27 PM PDT by daler
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To: BerniesFriend
It's more than how do they get to the voting booth in the first place. Citizens, even those who do not have drivers licenses, need photo ID to cash a government check, that means welfare and SS. The only time a photo id is not needed is in banks who already know the person because they are long time customers. Not only that, photo ID’s are free or at most, they cost a couple dollars in some places.
32 posted on 04/28/2008 4:26:53 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
The next president may have 2 or 3 vacancies to fill on the Court.

It's the one thing keeping McCain's chances alive for 2008. I might just have to eat that sandwich and vote for POTUS.

33 posted on 04/28/2008 4:28:44 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: E. Cartman
Shakespeare said it best: "First let's kill all the lawyers."

I'm so weary of misquotes.

The complete context of the quote is that IF you want to plunge the world into oppression-filled anarchy, THEN - first, you kill all the lawyers.

It was lawyers who argued AGAINST these assclowns, and lawyers who judged that states CAN require picture ID.

34 posted on 04/28/2008 4:29:15 PM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: SmithL

As Democrats are scrambling to use SuperDelegates to override the primary process, they are concerned about “disenfranchising” voters. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

How do the poor people cash their welfare and SS checks without a photo ID?


35 posted on 04/28/2008 4:29:15 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: DuncanWaring

You read my mind.


36 posted on 04/28/2008 4:30:19 PM PDT by mrsmel (I have principles too, McCain! And I'm a maverick against your candidacy!)
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To: gidget7
Not only that, photo ID’s are free or at most, they cost a couple dollars in some places.

They're free in Indiana, that was a significant factor in the decision.

37 posted on 04/28/2008 4:30:46 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: cookcounty

There weren’t no cameras around when I was born. < /sarc >


38 posted on 04/28/2008 4:30:56 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You are right. People can slam on President Bush all they want (and I do too, over his illegal immigrant policies), but he’s far far better than the alternatives would have been. Looking at the bunch of contenders we have now, President Bush looks like a prince and a hell of a man.


39 posted on 04/28/2008 4:33:16 PM PDT by mrsmel (I have principles too, McCain! And I'm a maverick against your candidacy!)
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To: ArmstedFragg

In CT they used to be 2.00. at the DMV. And the lines for those get pretty long, people need them to sign up for food stamps, welfare, and to buy cigarettes or alcohol. Also, the SS office requires them.


40 posted on 04/28/2008 4:35:13 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: DuncanWaring
The same people who show up at the welfare office and say "Gimme money"."

Great post!

There used to be a stigma to using food stamps and the like. Not anymore. Too many generations who's job is to "go to the mailbox"

41 posted on 04/28/2008 4:40:38 PM PDT by libs_kma (The land of the free, because of the brave)
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To: SmithL

There is NO WAY Id could disenfranchise a voter! How stupid is this?


42 posted on 04/28/2008 4:41:18 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: SmithL

Does this meab I have to show some photo ID when robbing a bank? SHEESH How unfair!!@


43 posted on 04/28/2008 4:41:36 PM PDT by Waco
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To: SmithL
In Indiana, more than 20 percent of black voters do not have access to a valid photo ID, according to an October 2007 study by the University of Washington.

I don't care. They need to identify themselves. If they are too stupid to figure out how to get them or self righteous that they don't believe them then they don't vote. TDB. No more voting fraud RATS. Your days are numbered.

44 posted on 04/28/2008 4:42:49 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: SmithL

Voter id for sure will deny some voters here in Calif their right to vote: for one, the millions of illegals who can’t be bothered to bring a copy of a utility bill or similar document showing they are US citizens (which is the extent of the Dem Party-controlled Calif govt’s anti-voting fraud efforts).

Dead people (described as “some elderly” in the Media), cats and dogs will suffer too.


45 posted on 04/28/2008 4:50:13 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (Vote Dem: vote the Clinton/Obama/McCain ticket)
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To: day10

Right on. If blacks are 12% of the population, and 20% don’t have voter ID. then a little over 2% of the total population doesn’t have voter ID.

Which means that almost 98% would. So what’s the problem?

Only half the people vote anyway(except for Philadelphia, where the voting rate is 110%(!)). So we are talking about 1% of the population at risk.

In a post 9/11 age, everyone needs a photo ID to do anything anyway. Some people are just going to have to get off their butts to be a useful citizen and get a voter ID to preserve the veracity of the vote.

Imagine that!


46 posted on 04/28/2008 4:50:35 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: NonValueAdded

I think that would be wise. He’s against universal health care, too. Also, obviously, he supports the military and the mission.


47 posted on 04/28/2008 4:54:10 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: puppypusher

“Across the country, as many as 20 million people lack such identification, most of them minorities and the elderly who don’t have drivers’ licenses or passports and are unable to afford the cost of obtaining documentation to apply for such identification, advocacy groups say.
Then how on earth can they go down and vote in the first place???????????”

Here in Calif, a Calif Resident Picture Id card is openly available for very little.

There are 3rd World countries with better anti-voter fraud measures than here in the USA. The Dem Party values the One Party Press and massive voter fraud. Their “count every vote” (to include illegals, felons, dead and pets but not military serving overseas) is important to them.


48 posted on 04/28/2008 4:55:13 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (Vote Dem: vote the Clinton/Obama/McCain ticket)
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To: SmithL
The Supreme Court's refusal to strike down an Indiana law...

Worded another way: The Supreme Court's refusal to strike down upholding an Indiana law...

The Constitution says:

Article I Section 4 Clause 1

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

Article II Section 1 Clause 2

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors...

It's clear that the Constitution gave the States the power to choose how to run their elections, and if the States want Voter ID's, that's their Constitutional right to require it.

-PJ

49 posted on 04/28/2008 4:55:16 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: SmithL

Does this mean dead people will have a harder time voting?


50 posted on 04/28/2008 4:58:10 PM PDT by BeckB
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