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Dad's video of run-down barracks sparks military response
CNN ^ | April 28, 2008

Posted on 04/28/2008 4:05:30 PM PDT by BulletBobCo

(CNN) -- The U.S. military is promising action to address conditions in a barracks at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, after a soldier's father posted images on YouTube showing a building that he said "should be condemned."

"This is embarrassing. It's disgusting. It makes me mad as hell," Ed Frawley said of the building where his son, Sgt. Jeff Frawley, had to live upon his return this month from a 15-month deployment to Afghanistan.

Frawley said Monday that Army Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Dick Cody called him to say he shares Frawley's anger and that "there's no excuse." Cody said he would not want his own sons or any troops to return to such conditions, Frawley said.

Frawley's 10-minute video shows still photos from throughout the building, which appears to be falling apart and filled with mold and rust.

Paint, which Frawley said is lead-based, is chipping. Ceiling tiles are missing. A broken drain pipe allows sewer gas into the building, while another one has tissues stuffed into it in an apparent effort to stop the gas from coming in.

Photos from the communal bathroom show some of the most disgusting images. In one, a soldier stands in a sink to avoid what Frawley describes as 3 inches of sewage water that filled the floor when toilets overflowed.

At times, "sewage water backs up into the sinks in the lower floors of these barracks," Frawley said in his narration. "The soldiers have to tell one another who's taking a shower when they turn the sinks on, or the person taking the shower gets scalded with hot water."

"The conditions depicted in Mr. Frawley's video are appalling and unacceptable, and we are addressing the concerns he expressed," said Maj. Tom Earnhardt, spokesman for the 82nd Airborne, in a written statement.

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1 posted on 04/28/2008 4:05:30 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: BulletBobCo

The Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4P-camUjjk


2 posted on 04/28/2008 4:07:52 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: BulletBobCo

But there’s plenty of money for anchor babies, welfare moms, food stamps, bridges to nowhere and other assorted loser causes.


3 posted on 04/28/2008 4:16:28 PM PDT by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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To: BulletBobCo

I give a couple of guys I work with now that were in the Air Force a hard time about being cream puffs, and always having the nicest barracks, and housing. They just say, well the Air force decided to spend money on their airmen instead of other things.
The Army has a long way to go to provide real decent living conditions for their single soldiers. Speaking from experience.


4 posted on 04/28/2008 4:19:04 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: BulletBobCo

Let’s hope the heat gets felt up the chain


5 posted on 04/28/2008 4:22:03 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: 1 Olgoat; 103198; 10Ring; 11Bush; 1stbn27; 2ndClassCitizen; 2SterlingConservatives; 2yearlurker; ...

DC Chapter ping.

If I hear anyone says this is a liberal media bogus hit piece, I’ll pop them in the head!

Call your Congressmen and Senators and tell them they should be ashamed that this sort of thing goes on under their watch.


6 posted on 04/28/2008 4:29:37 PM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: BulletBobCo

Anytime one leaves a building vacan for an extended period of time, it is goint to rot.

I lived in that building when I was in the 82nd.


7 posted on 04/28/2008 4:30:44 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: BufordP

See #7, and pop away.


8 posted on 04/28/2008 4:31:54 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: BulletBobCo

This is beyond uncalled for. Congress needs to fix this now. What a slap in the face to our military.


9 posted on 04/28/2008 4:36:32 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: BulletBobCo; All
Are we seeing a situation where all the GI's in a given barracks take off on orders, leaving their barracks unoccupied for months (years?) at a time? And in their absence, natural, unchecked corrosion and mold due to humidity rips the place to pieces? That's what came to mind when I saw the photos.

My one reservation is that the "nuked" toilet seat looks like it was vandalized.

10 posted on 04/28/2008 4:38:10 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: BulletBobCo

Disturbing.
After some recent visits to Fort Leonard Wood and Fort Jackson, I was impressed with how well everything was maintained. Even the obviously older construction.


11 posted on 04/28/2008 4:42:20 PM PDT by labette
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To: BulletBobCo

I remember some barracks at FIG (Fort Indiantown Gap) in the 1980s. They were third world quality.


12 posted on 04/28/2008 4:45:34 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: BulletBobCo

I suggest the officers of these men move into these barracks and live with them. And how about a cot for their congressman as well? There is no excuse in treating our fighting men this way when multi-millions of our tax dollars have been stolen by the crooked government we’ve tried to prop up in Iraq.


13 posted on 04/28/2008 4:56:11 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: BulletBobCo

I used to know some people who were living on Fort Meade, MD, about six years ago. Family quarters then could be pretty squalid.

A lady I worked with at the time was on the NSA Family Action Board. She said that then Director of NSA, Lt. Gen. Hayden, had to lean on the fort commander to clean the place up. He succeeded to some extent, I suppose, because Hayden was obviously close to GW, because today he is Director of NSA’s chief nemesis, CIA.


14 posted on 04/28/2008 5:05:42 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: vpintheak
I give a couple of guys I work with now that were in the Air Force a hard time about being cream puffs, and always having the nicest barracks, and housing. They just say, well the Air force decided to spend money on their airmen instead of other things. The Army has a long way to go to provide real decent living conditions for their single soldiers. Speaking from experience.

Very true.

We spend enough money to give every Iraqi man, woman, and child 25 years salary, and then treat our soldiers like this (and I can confirm that Ft. Bragg--and other bases--actually are like this.) We rebuild their bridges while ours fall apart. We build them power plants and oil facilities, while we watch oil prices skyrocket.

We tell them democracy and rights are great, while we confiscate their weapons. We hire "contractors" to carry weapons over there while preventing our own citizens from having them here.

And we have people saying that living in tents is "cruel and unusual punishment" for convicts, while our self-sacrificing heroes in the military make them their homes for so long.

Things are so upside down. The least we could do is make the barracks livable.

15 posted on 04/28/2008 5:17:47 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: BulletBobCo

Peeling paint, mold, bad plumbing, broken toilet seat...none of these seem like super expensive fixes (I don’t know how bad the plumbing is). This shouldn’t have been allowed to go on for so long. I suspect that maintenance was allowed to slide since “new barracks are being built”.

Hell, they could probably get the local VFW or Knights of Columbus to come over and fix most of this while they are on deployment.


16 posted on 04/28/2008 5:21:37 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: BulletBobCo; BufordP; archy; Impeach98
1984: VICTORY FLATS
17 posted on 04/28/2008 5:31:55 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Amendment10
If these were their barracks, I suppose they were shut down, and locked up for a year and a half. No AC. So, throw in their age, this is to be expected. Anyways, two Sergeants can't get to Home Depot, get a toilet seat( $20, max ), shower curtain clips($2), a lock set ($20) a putty knife, bushes, bleach and Kilz paint?

The sewage comes from heavy rains, flooding the ground and pressurizing the septic fields and or a broken, blocked one way valve.

In the 80’s I lived at Bragg in ‘Old Division’. Old, wood, open bay WWII barracks. SF hand nice barracks, like these, only we hardly ever lived there. Usually in the worst base, if on base, buildings we could scrounge, or in a CONEX or in a truck or if we were on a usually nature hike, on the ground or slung between a tree. A lot of the mid 30 NCO’s looked 50 and had gray hair.

18 posted on 04/28/2008 5:36:22 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: BulletBobCo

Appalling. And there is no excuse for these kind of conditions. These volunteers deserve the best in the service and after their service. With all that we give away, servicemen and women are by far the most deserving.


19 posted on 04/28/2008 5:47:42 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: vladimir998

When our ships deploy pretty much everything works. In port, between deployments, the living conditions were unbelievably bad. I would have opted for that barracks.


20 posted on 04/28/2008 5:57:59 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Join our Folding@Home team (Team# 36120) keyword: folding)
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To: Leisler

THese facilites were Identifed (and in the news) years ago because this is where National Guard troops were dumped pending disposition of medical issues.

Money has beentight for years due to CONGRESS not funding Operations - so the money is stolen fromother accounts - like facility maintenance.

Money quote “Robbing Peter to pay Paul’ JUst this Fiscal year they were talking of laying off Army civilian workers because of the stunts pulled by Nancy’e Army in Congress....tho her husband got his contracts funded - eh?


21 posted on 04/28/2008 5:59:57 PM PDT by ASOC (Training Storungen werden auf Papier notiert. Taktische Storungen werden im Stein geatzt. Gen Rommel)
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To: vpintheak
Having been in the AF, and having been stationed (TDY) at both Army and Navy bases, I can honestly say that they were both sub-standard as compared with the AF.

Most enlisted above the rank of E-5 found off-base quarters, and I sort of think that was expected.

That said, something needs to be done for these men and women.

Base/Post Commanders should be held responsible, and a good commander would kick some a$$ to get it done. That is the first responsibility of a commander. Take care of your troops, no matter where they are.

AR

22 posted on 04/28/2008 6:04:13 PM PDT by alarm rider ("Difficile est saturam non scibere" -- it's difficult not to write satire.)
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To: vladimir998

They still are.

WWII reenactors use them every year for an event, and leave them a damn sight better than they found them.


23 posted on 04/28/2008 6:07:32 PM PDT by alarm rider ("Difficile est saturam non scibere" -- it's difficult not to write satire.)
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To: ASOC
I don't know what kind of Sergeant waits around for Congress to supply him with a toilet seat. Buy one, trade one or steal one.
24 posted on 04/28/2008 6:19:24 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler

I have stayed in Army facilites (I’m retired USAF) and almost always seeping in my com van was the better choice - in nice weather, we slept on the roof.

I ‘suspect’ they gave us the less-than-swell digs on account of us being zoomies and all...


25 posted on 04/28/2008 6:57:31 PM PDT by ASOC (Training Storungen werden auf Papier notiert. Taktische Storungen werden im Stein geatzt. Gen Rommel)
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To: alarm rider
That is the first responsibility of a commander. Take care of your troops, no matter where they are.

FINALLY!

I've lived in crappy housing, but never, ever "substandard" housing.

First of all the commander at this base needs to explain if these are abandoned or shuttered barracks. If they actually had men living in them, then the company commander and senior NCO's should be sh#t-canned for letting the men live in a hole like that.

You buy paint,(or steal it), you fix up the place and you sure as heck never let your men have a sewer gas up your men.

Real leaders understand this most of all. You eat after your men, you make sure that they're housed and secure. Then you take care of yourself.

Will someone that's been around please tell me this is just a hit piece and that men weren't allowed by the Army to live in a dump. If they did live in a dump, why would they allow themselves to be put there, without policing up the area?

I've seen senior NCO's try to slide around padding their retirement funds but whenever anybody found out, it was Leavenworth or a good a##-whipping for stealing from supply or payroll.

26 posted on 04/28/2008 7:19:39 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: BulletBobCo
Back in '69 while doing AIT at Ft. Gordon, GA, I pulled detail one day and was tasked with replacing cracked or broken windows in several barracks.

Typical of Army, the supply office was over a mile away and I had no F'n idea how to replace broken windows. I had to make two trips that day by foot to pick up the materials I "guess" I needed because I was unsupervised and there was no vehicle available.

Knowing now what I didn't know then, I suspect those windows I replaced were blown out by the first heavy wind that came along after I was gone.......LOL!

27 posted on 04/28/2008 7:35:23 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who plugged the hole in the ozone layer?)
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


28 posted on 04/28/2008 7:35:28 PM PDT by zip (((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))))
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To: SC Swamp Fox

Send in the Navy to chip and paint and swab the decks.


29 posted on 04/28/2008 8:18:36 PM PDT by Griddlee
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To: BulletBobCo

The top four guys in charge at Fort Bragg should be fired, stripped of pensions and incarcerated in a Chinese prisons.

What happened to our military after WW2?


30 posted on 04/28/2008 8:42:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Is the purpose of the 2nd amendment to brag at gun shows and chat rooms?)
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To: cowdog77
"But there’s plenty of money for anchor babies, welfare moms, food stamps, bridges to nowhere and other assorted loser causes."

And high five digit pensions for Military leaders that have not won a war in over 60 years.

31 posted on 04/28/2008 8:43:55 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Is the purpose of the 2nd amendment to brag at gun shows and chat rooms?)
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To: vpintheak; BulletBobCo
...Air Force a hard time about being cream puffs, and always having the nicest barracks, and housing. They just say, well the Air force decided to spend money on their airmen instead of other things.

One thing you need to understand. The Air Force does a lot of "Self-Help" projects. This means you spend weekends and holidays making a dorm or office building a better place. I've seen gazebos built and drop ceilings installed in self help projects.

You can whine about the facilities or you can pick up your tools and do something about it.

Another part of this is that the Air Force won't tolerate morons who tear up the facilities. I've been on Army bases and I've seen the damage that a few out of control morons (from both services) can do.

32 posted on 04/28/2008 8:49:11 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: BulletBobCo

Even their website does not work!!!!

LMAO as are the Russians and Chicoms!

What a national and international embarrassment!

Try to get to Public affairs at Fort Bragg.

http://www.bragg.army.mil/pao/default.htm


33 posted on 04/28/2008 8:52:46 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Is the purpose of the 2nd amendment to brag at gun shows and chat rooms?)
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To: Dick Vomer
"First of all the commander at this base needs to explain if these are abandoned or shuttered barracks. If they actually had men living in them, then the company commander and senior NCO's should be sh#t-canned for letting the men live in a hole like that."

These are the boys responsible four our men having to live like Russian conscripts:

LIEUTENANT GENERAL LLOYD J. AUSTIN III , Commanding General

BRIGADIER GENERAL ARTHUR M. BARTELL, Deputy Commanding General

BRIGADIER GENERAL DANIEL B. ALLYN, Chief of Staff

COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR JOSEPH R. ALLEN, Command Sergeant Major

34 posted on 04/28/2008 9:02:43 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Is the purpose of the 2nd amendment to brag at gun shows and chat rooms?)
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To: BulletBobCo
Sent:

Please note that our service men are forced to live like Russian conscripts at Fort Bragg. Convicted murderers in Fed prisons live in better conditions.

These men gave their all so we can enjoy our freedoms. Convicts would sue for better conditions and win!

These four men cannot handle the rigors of their duty and must be removed from positions of authority:

LIEUTENANT GENERAL LLOYD J. AUSTIN III , Commanding General

BRIGADIER GENERAL ARTHUR M. BARTELL, Deputy Commanding General

BRIGADIER GENERAL DANIEL B. ALLYN, Chief of Staff

COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR JOSEPH R. ALLEN, Command Sergeant Major

This is also a huge international disgrace. Thanks for your concern,

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35 posted on 04/28/2008 9:55:39 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Is the purpose of the 2nd amendment to brag at gun shows and chat rooms?)
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To: Grizzled Bear
You can whine about the facilities or you can pick up your tools and do something about it.

When I was a contractor I visited some friends in quarters that were disgusting. On principle, I never went after Government projects but I offered to rehab the units one at a time for free, if the base would provide the materials. The only catch was that we could not operate on a defined timetable other than we would not leave a unit unfinished.

I was looking to keep my guys working between other jobs and I was willing to pay them out of my own pocket. I got excuse after excuse after excuse until I gave up.

36 posted on 04/28/2008 10:09:51 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Dick Vomer
I don't remember much from OCS, but we did have it pounded into our thick heads that as officers, we were dead last after the health and welfare of those we commanded. We were nothing if our units were neglected. We put ourselves first only when it would benefit our troops, or save them from harm.

I think sometimes that it is so hard to define leadership because we make it so. Most of my experience with general officers is that they get waited on and surrounded by dog robbers and horse holders, and they forget the first lesson they should have learned. There is no excuse for someone that wears the rank while his or her troops live in bad conditions.

It is his or her responsibility to insure that the barracks/living quarters are clean and if it means a$$ needs to be kicked from the lowest troopy to the DC, then that is what must be done.

37 posted on 04/29/2008 9:14:46 AM PDT by alarm rider ("Difficile est saturam non scibere" -- it's difficult not to write satire.)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

“When our ships deploy pretty much everything works. In port, between deployments, the living conditions were unbelievably bad. I would have opted for that barracks.”

I had the misfortune of spending my last 3 months on a ship in Norfolk shipyards. Dirty, filthy, nasty, noisy living conditions. If I had been on the line as to whether to re-up or not, that would have sealed the deal.
I didn’t think that was right, and I don’t think this is right. Our soldiers deserve better.


38 posted on 04/29/2008 9:20:28 AM PDT by brownsfan (Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Gazebo’s and drop ceilings are one thing. Providing decent living quarters is another. And while I was in the Army we didn’t tolerate morons tearing things up either. If a mron did something stupid, first generally they got their ass handed to them by the rest of us, and second they had to either clean up or fix what they screwed up.


39 posted on 04/29/2008 9:39:36 AM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: BufordP

bttt!


40 posted on 04/29/2008 12:30:03 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: vpintheak
Gazebo’s and drop ceilings are one thing. Providing decent living quarters is another.

I agree with the idea of decent living quarters. My comment was in response to your "cream puff" remark. At Mannheim AIN a bunch of us Air Force "cream puffs" sacrificed off duty time and worked our tails off to make our Army buildings livable (dorm, vehicle bay, office building).

A lot of Soldiers were "wanna-be Cream Puffs" and asked if they could get assigned to our dorm. Some were welcomed. If they got stupid they were booted out.

41 posted on 04/29/2008 5:51:26 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: alarm rider
We put ourselves first only when it would benefit our troops, or save them from harm.

God smiled at me when I was around. I had great senior NCO's and officers. I mean, they were in great shape, were Marines first and foremost, and lived the life, walked the walk and asked nothing that they hadn't done or were willing to do.

I've seen other units where that wasn't the case. I might have just been lucky.... very, very lucky.

It actually makes me misty eyed on how idealistic I was. I loved the men who commanded me and they knew that I liked hot temperatures, high humidity and getting in a tussle. So it was mutually beneficial to all concerned. I don't know if you're active now, but show your men that you actually care about them in a manner that doesn't benefit you (no show boating or drawing attention to yourself) and they will stick their heads through a wall for you .... and follow you into the most god-awful mess in order to carry out a mission.

That's what they were trying to show you in OCS.

42 posted on 04/30/2008 10:46:18 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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