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Hard lemonade, hard price - Dad's oversight at Tigers game lands son in foster care
WZZM News 13 (Detroit) ^ | 28 April 2008 | Brian Dickerson

Posted on 04/29/2008 11:10:38 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

If you watch much television, you've probably heard of a product called Mike's Hard Lemonade.

And if you ask Christopher Ratte and his wife how they lost custody of their 7-year-old son, the short version is that nobody in the Ratte family watches much television.

The way police and child protection workers figure it, Ratte should have known that what a Comerica Park vendor handed over when Ratte ordered a lemonade for his boy three Saturdays ago contained alcohol, and Ratte's ignorance justified placing young Leo in foster care until his dad got up to speed on the commercial beverage industry.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: badcopnodonut; bureaucratsatwork; cpsfascists; mikeshardlemonade
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Abolish all Child Protective Service bureaucracies.

NOW.

1 posted on 04/29/2008 11:10:39 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Hasn’t it occurred to these fools that foster care might be a worse fate that a few swigs of hard lemonade?

Maybe they’ve been drinking.


2 posted on 04/29/2008 11:14:26 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

On FNC this morning they said they were going to have Prof. Ratte on, but the next 30 or 40 minutes were on other topics (mostly the destruction from the tornado in the Norfolk area) and I had other things to do, so never saw the interview.


3 posted on 04/29/2008 11:14:34 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

For once a left-winger gets a taste of the nonsense he supports at the polls.


4 posted on 04/29/2008 11:15:32 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"These are the times that try men's souls."

ML/NJ

5 posted on 04/29/2008 11:17:34 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Does this mean my six year old has to stop smoking cigars?


6 posted on 04/29/2008 11:18:05 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Sounds pretty much like communism...


7 posted on 04/29/2008 11:20:54 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

The ironic thing is that alcoholic beverages like beer and wine are much healthier for children than soda pop and other corn-syrup laden junk that is peddled to our kids these days.


8 posted on 04/29/2008 11:22:27 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 1 day away from outliving Steve Rubell)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
BTW, good thing these $#!+#E@D$ never showed up when I took my little daughter to fancy NYC French restaurants. (She used to fight me for the sediment!)

ML/NJ

9 posted on 04/29/2008 11:23:19 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: WayneS

Only in public.
susie


10 posted on 04/29/2008 11:23:34 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

This is why I am against products that label themselves in ways that can be misleading. I could see someone having “Mike’s Hard Lemonade” in their frig at home and a person (not just a child, but even an elderly person) that might not know what “hard” means.


11 posted on 04/29/2008 11:27:19 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: wendy1946

Child rearing needs to be left to the parents...and only the parents. A simple observation with no time to rebutte and CPS is in full swing. This isn’t the first story we’ve heard where they jumped the gun or have made the accused prove their innocence.

They father is guilty in that he did give the beverage to his son but not guilty of willfully trying to harm him.


12 posted on 04/29/2008 11:28:11 AM PDT by killermedic ("discipline isn’t reserved for times of combat....only tested there.")
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

“For once a left-winger gets a taste of the nonsense he supports at the polls.”

No more calls. We have a winner.


13 posted on 04/29/2008 11:28:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

amen


14 posted on 04/29/2008 11:31:32 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Anyone else watch “Bones”

I can hear this prof saying, “Hard lemonade? I don’t know what that means!”


15 posted on 04/29/2008 11:42:33 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Paved Paradise

“Mike’s Lemonade with Five percent alcohol” is not as catchy.


16 posted on 04/29/2008 11:48:35 AM PDT by Augustinian monk (You going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?- Jose Wales)
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To: AppyPappy

Thank you. Thank you.

Your Honor, I base my conclusion on the basis that he is a University professor, has only one child AND orders lemonade for his child but somehow the vendor doesn’t understand and gives him alcohol?


17 posted on 04/29/2008 11:48:36 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

The starnge this is that most kids that age will not like the taste of alcohol.


18 posted on 04/29/2008 11:49:26 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Paved Paradise

From the label, maybe not, although the label does indicate the alcohol content.

But from the taste, you’d have to be a moron NOT to be able to tell there’s hooch in it.


19 posted on 04/29/2008 11:51:28 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

A college professor getting bit on the ass by “zero tolerance” just gives me happy feet


20 posted on 04/29/2008 11:52:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Augustinian monk

How about “Mike’s Overpriced, Cheap Lemonade Spiked with Cheap Liquor for People too Lazy to Bring Their own Vodka.”


21 posted on 04/29/2008 11:55:40 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
The kid will prolly come out of (cough) ‘Foster Care’ a trained assassin at best, or at the worst - an antisocial psychotic killer who will wipe out his family with an ax the first chance he gets then go on a cross country killing spree.

ALL 'Child Protective Service' bureaucracies are E-V-I-L. I seriously doubt any of them ever actually "helped" a child.

22 posted on 04/29/2008 11:58:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Someone please tell me what Mike’s Hard Lemonade is???


23 posted on 04/29/2008 12:05:12 PM PDT by Morgana (Muslims.......I can't believe these people are that crazy without alcohol!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Gabz

ping


24 posted on 04/29/2008 12:09:13 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: nickcarraway

The starnge this is that most kids that age will not like the taste of alcohol.
_____

Mikes hard lemonade has no alcohol taste whatsoever, it’s sweetened so much it is covered up.


25 posted on 04/29/2008 12:10:59 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Now how is this possible? As the legal guardian of a child you do have the right to allow them alcohol within reasonable context. Hell every Italian family on the planet should have their kids taken away if this wasn’t true. Wine with special occasion dinners is virtually a birthright.


26 posted on 04/29/2008 12:13:24 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Xenalyte

But from the taste, you’d have to be a moron NOT to be able to tell there’s hooch in it.
________

I am a Baltimoron (I think that should count towards my moron status), but I’ve had a few of Mike’s products, and the cider vaguely tastes of hooch, but the lemonade not at all.

dmz - Baltimoron since 1958.


27 posted on 04/29/2008 12:13:24 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"You know this is an alcoholic beverage?" the guard asked the professor.

"You've got to be kidding," Ratte replied. He asked for the bottle, but the security guard snatched it before Ratte could examine the label.

But an ER resident who drew Leo's blood less than 90 minutes after he and his father were escorted from their seats detected no trace of alcohol.

This guy got screwed by some over-zealous rambo-wanna-be security guard.

No excuse for going beyond notifying the father of the alcohol content.

The father is lucky he had connections or he wouldn't be seeing his kid for months.

28 posted on 04/29/2008 12:17:02 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: dmz

“Mikes hard lemonade has no alcohol taste whatsoever, it’s sweetened so much it is covered up.”

I have never heard of the the stuff, but I take it that “Lemonade Lucy” would NOT serve this in the White House...right??


29 posted on 04/29/2008 12:18:21 PM PDT by Morgana (Muslims.......I can't believe these people are that crazy without alcohol!)
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To: nickcarraway

I drank a whole whiskey sour when I was one. Always liked them.


30 posted on 04/29/2008 12:21:59 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: SamAdams76

We don’t keep soda pop in the house, not at all. And every sip of a drink containing alcohol destroys brain cells - not too bad when you’re an adult and have your max amount of brain cells. But alcohol is devastating to a young, devoloping brain. The human brain is fully developed in males by age 25, age 21-22 for females.


31 posted on 04/29/2008 12:22:20 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: Paved Paradise

At the wal mart here, walking down the liquor isle, the workers took a magic marker and wrote on the Long Island Iced Tea bottles in large letters-—contains liquor, do not sell to minors.


32 posted on 04/29/2008 12:27:08 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: dmz
I am a Baltimoron (I think that should count towards my moron status)...

Your credentials have been authenticated ;)

33 posted on 04/29/2008 12:29:42 PM PDT by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: dmz

Well, then maybe the problem is theirs.


34 posted on 04/29/2008 12:43:48 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

everybody involved should be fired asap


35 posted on 04/29/2008 12:53:58 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: killermedic
Child rearing needs to be left to the parents...and only the parents.

I knew a mother and father who punished their child by kicking it, like a football, across the living room. After a week of that the baby died with multiple and massive internal injuries.

So, you are right: parents always know best how to raise their child.

36 posted on 04/29/2008 1:17:19 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: processing please hold

I actually was never aware that Long Island Iced Tea contained liquor either... not that it’s a risk for me, as I wouldn’t want iced tea to begin with. But I’m in college, and even I have a hard time determining if something contains alcohol!


37 posted on 04/29/2008 1:18:20 PM PDT by Hyzenthlay (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Morgana
Someone please tell me what Mike’s Hard Lemonade is???

It's bottled lemonade with a Viagra pill dissolved in it.


38 posted on 04/29/2008 1:28:55 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: nickcarraway
My son has always liked beer. When he was a toddler, he kept trying to take my husband's Shiner Bock while we were at a BBQ with friends. My husband, knowing most little kids don't like beer, gave our son just enough of a sip to wet his tongue well. My son grabbed the bottle and tried to down it. We spent the rest of the party following him around making sure he wasn't grabbing unattended beers.
39 posted on 04/29/2008 1:32:29 PM PDT by mouse_35 (Vote Demorcrat for 2008! Lets do for Iraq what we did for Cambodia!!!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Latricia Jones, the CPS caseworker assigned to their case, recommended that Leo remain in foster care until she had completed her investigation, a process she estimated would take several days.

It was only after the assistant attorney general who represented CPS admitted that the state was not interested in pursuing the case aggressively that juvenile referee Leslie Graves agreed to release Leo to his mother - on the condition that Ratte himself relocate to a hotel.

Latricia Jones was gonna show him who was boss!
Latricia hadda do a 'vestigashun an it was gonna take a lo-0-O-N-G time!

40 posted on 04/29/2008 1:45:14 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I don't watch TV at all. If someone tried something like this over something I ‘should have known’ I would go absolutely ballistic.
41 posted on 04/29/2008 1:50:10 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

And I will wager the taste he got was as bitter as the lemonade.


42 posted on 04/29/2008 1:50:51 PM PDT by majormaturity
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To: Rudder

you missed your sarc tag!
So you are a believer that the government knows better than you on how your child needs to be raised. Obviously, the parents of whom you speak are the exception so lets not play silly games. On the whole, most parents know waht is good for their kids. If you think otherwise then you must not have children of your own or are completly dependant on the gov’t for your marching orders.


43 posted on 04/29/2008 1:56:18 PM PDT by killermedic ("discipline isn’t reserved for times of combat....only tested there.")
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To: killermedic
I am a believer that you do not think before you post. Yours is a simple-minded and naive outlook.

In the real world most child abuse takes place at the hands of...parents. Not all parents are good for their children's welfare. So there is no easy and quick generalization that covers all the scenarios, as you have stated. But, as time goes on, you'll learn that.

44 posted on 04/29/2008 2:05:06 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Rudder

Isn’t it naive at best to think that this story is of the exception, not of the Norm, and that most people are good parents? If not then you, my friend, have much to learn. especially if you think that the government will do a better job than “most” parents. Keep working on that reading thing.


45 posted on 04/29/2008 2:11:33 PM PDT by killermedic ("discipline isn’t reserved for times of combat....only tested there.")
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To: killermedic
Isn’t it naive at best to think that this story is of the exception, not of the Norm, and that most people are good parents?

Now it's "most people are good parents?"

What about: "Child rearing needs to be left to the parents...and only the parents"? When you (you) speak in absolutes, you get answers in absolutes.

46 posted on 04/29/2008 2:20:18 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
When my daugter was a junior in high school, we had a "fancy" dinner at home for several kids. Good china, crystal, serving the meal in courses, etc.

I found some "pretty" beverages to serve. Fortunately, my daughter read the labels, or I would have been guilty of serving minors!

47 posted on 04/29/2008 2:24:25 PM PDT by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: Rudder

“Sharp shooting” is a good way to refine the argument and I will give you that but you have not refuted the question of governments role in family life. Is the government more qualified than you to raise your kids? That is even if you have kids. Are you suggesting you have never made a mistake that could be taken completly the wrong way and just got lucky because “big brother” wasn’t there watching?Again I ask, where do you stand?


48 posted on 04/29/2008 2:27:14 PM PDT by killermedic ("discipline isn’t reserved for times of combat....only tested there.")
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To: killermedic
Is the government more qualified than you to raise your kids?

Oh Hell NO!

I worked under contract providing medical services to Childrens' services. They, (in the name of their executive director) in turn, tried to get a contract on me (called a "hit.") Such was my criticism of them and their reaction to it. The judge was alerted by someone who tattled and the CS director went down in flames and off to prison. I got a permit to carry in Ohio because of it.

49 posted on 04/29/2008 2:39:59 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Rudder

I guess we have been discovered as two operatives of the same mind who were firing at each during the darkness of night. Ha ha ha ha ha.


50 posted on 04/29/2008 2:50:46 PM PDT by killermedic ("discipline isn’t reserved for times of combat....only tested there.")
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