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Getting to Know John McCain [MUST READ!]
The Wall Street Journal ^ | April 30, 2008 | Karl Rove

Posted on 04/29/2008 10:07:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

It came to me while I was having dinner with Doris Day. No, not that Doris Day. The Doris Day who is married to Col. Bud Day, Congressional Medal of Honor recipient, fighter pilot, Vietnam POW and roommate of John McCain at the Hanoi Hilton.

As we ate near the Days' home in Florida recently, I heard things about Sen. McCain that were deeply moving and politically troubling. Moving because they told me things about him the American people need to know. And troubling because it is clear that Mr. McCain is one of the most private individuals to run for president in history.

When it comes to choosing a president, the American people want to know more about a candidate than policy positions. They want to know about character, the values ingrained in his heart. For Mr. McCain, that means they will want to know more about him personally than he has been willing to reveal.

Mr. Day relayed to me one of the stories Americans should hear. It involves what happened to him after escaping from a North Vietnamese prison during the war. When he was recaptured, a Vietnamese captor broke his arm and said, "I told you I would make you a cripple."

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1 posted on 04/29/2008 10:07:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very moving..Thank you.


2 posted on 04/29/2008 10:14:51 PM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Impressed. Thanks


3 posted on 04/29/2008 10:15:51 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s good to hear.

If we have Bud Day out there telling his stories and the Democrats have Reverend Wright out there telling his stories, we could be in for a fun autumn. Not because McCain is all that great, but because DUer’s are fun to watch when they are losing.


4 posted on 04/29/2008 10:18:08 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: MEG33
I just now learned that Barry's full name is 'Barrack Hussein Muhammad Obama,' and from the Canadians - how private is that?
5 posted on 04/29/2008 10:18:44 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Getting to Know John McCain”

Just read up on Benedict Arnold. Same dude, different time.


6 posted on 04/29/2008 10:18:55 PM PDT by Grunthor (Which is more transparent, John McCains Styrofoam humility or Barack Obamas polyester sincerity?)
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To: Salvation; La Enchiladita; GretchenM; snugs; Wolfstar; Just A Nobody; onyx; silent_jonny; ...
PING!!
7 posted on 04/29/2008 10:19:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mr. McCain said he and his fellow prisoners shouldn't ask God to free them, but to help them become the best people they could be while serving as POWs. It was Caesar who put them in prison and Caesar who would get them out. Their task was to act with honor.
 
Wow.
 

8 posted on 04/29/2008 10:19:37 PM PDT by littlehouse36 ("Capitalism or Socialism" is a false dichotomy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Damn...just damn.

I guess I am a minority on Free Republic. I voted for McCain in 2000 and I still wish he had won.


9 posted on 04/29/2008 10:23:45 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I've heard people here criticize McCain for signing the “confession”, while forgetting that he passed up many opportunities to go back to the US.

There are few people on Earth who can testify, based upon their experience, to the level of integrity and discipline it would take to stay with one's buddies and endure unspeakable crippling treatment rather than return to a comfortable life at home.

I just can not imagine what that would take.
It is also very telling that he's never told these stories publicly or probably even privately before. While we could not describe McCain as “humble”, the contrast between his public handling and communication of his war experience with Kerry, and now even Hillary, is downright shocking.

10 posted on 04/29/2008 10:24:38 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When it comes to choosing a president, the American people want to know more about a candidate than policy positions.

Sorry, I am more interested in his policy positions, than what happened 30+ years ago. Men change. What is important is his actions today and in the near past.

Want to get to know John McCain?

Here is the primer:

Here is McCain's Recent History over the last 7 years:

1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush’s best judges from being presented for a vote)
2. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech and Pro-Life groups and Gun-rights groups)
3. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)
4. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon tax)
5. Total support for global warming scam, including carbo cap and trade system.
6. Support for embryonic stem cell research (Murder of unborn babies).
7. Leaked top-secret information concerning CIA prisons in Europe
8. Wants to close Gitmo and give Terrorists access to our legal system.
9. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.
10. C- grade from NRA.
11. 60% score from American Conservative Union in 2006
12. Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on thier applications) with US tax money.
13. Voted against President Bush’s tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)
14. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.


11 posted on 04/29/2008 10:26:00 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Remarkable. Thanks for the read.


12 posted on 04/29/2008 10:26:34 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Grunthor

What complete and utter treacherous hogwash.

Benedict Arnold betrayed America.

John McCain served his country with honor, valor and grit.


13 posted on 04/29/2008 10:26:43 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: SoConPubbie
go suck an egg
14 posted on 04/29/2008 10:28:01 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: SoConPubbie

Then, by all means, vote for Obama.


15 posted on 04/29/2008 10:28:03 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: Grunthor
Just read up on Benedict Arnold. Same dude, different time.

our family studied Benedict Arnold extensively last year... i don't see the similarities... and no, i am not a fan of John McCain...

16 posted on 04/29/2008 10:28:07 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: MEG33
I have no idea what this means.

By that I mean, either McCain has been biding his time for several decades in order to be president and has strategically placed himself as the only logical candidate compared to the other democrat nimrods. Taking over the mantle of a conservative champion..........Or he's changed since then and allowed the power and ego to corrupt him in order to be a f'ing RINO and screw us.

The only saving grace about McCain is that he's got two sons that are going to be or have been in harms way.

Of that there is no doubt. So he's got a vested interest in not screwing around with foreign policy.

However due to the military background I feel he's not averse to centralized control...... even when it comes to free markets, medical care, our borders, and tax policy.

So there we have it. All three of the current candidates thinks that all the greatness that is America comes from the government down to the people and not that the government is there only to insure rule of law and several well delineated rights including the right to bear arms and not the right to stick a metal tube inside a baby's head and suck out it's brains cause of an inconvenience.

Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.......

17 posted on 04/29/2008 10:28:46 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Grunthor

Thanks in advance for cramming that in whatever orifice your species traditionally crams things.


18 posted on 04/29/2008 10:30:12 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While I don’t agree with his Center/Center position I will vote for him. I think he can handle a tough decision. He has never forgot being held by his captors in Nam and understands the world in Americas eyes better than the left ever will.


19 posted on 04/29/2008 10:30:38 PM PDT by eyedigress (If you aren't voting who cares about your opinion.)
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To: Dick Vomer

Your cynical attitude towards members of our military is disappointing and belies the general ignorance of someone who failed to serve.


20 posted on 04/29/2008 10:31:11 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: SoConPubbie
Never ever ever ever stop posting that!!

And thank you for writing it up so succinctly. People MUST be reminded of McCain's record in politics!

21 posted on 04/29/2008 10:32:21 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Kill them with kindness, then taser them for fun.)
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To: SoConPubbie

You have 4 options.


22 posted on 04/29/2008 10:33:22 PM PDT by eyedigress (If you aren't voting who cares about your opinion.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks for posting.

Articles like that are like the spoonful of sugar I need to make the medicine of voting for McCain go down.

It's not going to be easy, but I know I have to swallow it.

23 posted on 04/29/2008 10:34:21 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: LSUfan

I opposed McCain right up until it was him vs. Huckabee...but I’m behind him 100% now because we need a man like him in a time of war. I’d also like to add that any guy whose character is revered by Bud Day is good enough for me.


24 posted on 04/29/2008 10:34:28 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This screed is by Karl Rove.

You know, the political genius who thought the Swifties were nutjobs.

Now, he trots out fellow POWs to portray McLoser in heroic terms.

Why doesn’t Karl ask McCain why he and Kerry shut down the POW/MIA investigations in 1992?

Others have listed the reasons why John McCain is the poorest candidate we could run for President. His agenda is the same as the Dems.

All the McCain Kool Aid drinkers are going to be very disappointed on November 5th.

One, because McCain will not win, and two, if he does he will do the opposite of what he says he will do. Amnesty will be passed, carbon credits a given,and Ted Kennedy will be consulted on all judgeships.

He has telegraphed exactly how he will govern.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

There are four months to the Republican Convention. There are four months to get a real Republican to run for President instead of this Trojan Horse Manchurian Candidate.


25 posted on 04/29/2008 10:35:55 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: LongElegantLegs
Never ever ever ever stop posting that!! And thank you for writing it up so succinctly. People MUST be reminded of McCain's record in politics!

Thanks.

Since all I am posting are facts, all the McCainiacs can post are silly retorts lacking any substance at all.

Too bad their party and their country means so little to them that they would vote for the man who will destroy the conservative leanings of their party, the GOP, and guarantee a minority status for the GOP for decades to come by granting Amnesty to 20-30 million+ illegal aliens who will vote 70%+ Democrat.

Not to mention the millions of conservatives who will walk away from the GOP when he grants amnesty.
26 posted on 04/29/2008 10:36:20 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Dick Vomer

I was depressed when McCain became our nominee..It’s a no brainer, though, after much thought ..I will vote for McCain.
Either of the Dim candidates are horrifying to me.


27 posted on 04/29/2008 10:37:13 PM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Exactly: Here is some info on Bud Day:

George Everett “Bud” Day (born February 24, 1925) is a former U.S. Air Force pilot who served during the Vietnam War. He is often cited as being the most decorated U.S. service member since General Douglas MacArthur, having received some seventy decorations, a majority for actions in combat. Day is a recipient of the Medal of Honor.

Day was born in Sioux City, Iowa, on February 24, 1925. In 1942 he quit high school and enlisted in the United States Marine Corps. He served thirty months in the South Pacific during World War II as a member of a 5-inch gun battery with the 3rd Defense Battalion on Johnston Island.
After the war, Day attended Morningside College on the G.I. Bill, earning a Bachelor of Science Degree, followed by law school at the University of South Dakota, receiving a Juris Doctor. Day passed the bar exam in 1949 and was admitted to the South Dakota bar. In later life Day was also awarded a Master of Arts degree from St. Louis University, a Doctor of Humane Letters from Morningside, and a Doctor of Laws from Troy State University. Day was admitted to the Florida Bar in 1977.
A member of the Army reserve, in 1950 he received a direct commission as a second lieutenant in the Iowa Air National Guard, and was called to active duty in 1951 to undertake pilot training. He served two tours as a fighter-bomber pilot during the Korean War flying the Republic F-84 Thunderjet. Promoted to captain, he decided to make the Air Force a career.
Anticipating retirement in 1968 and now a major, Day volunteered for a tour in Vietnam was assigned to the 31st Tactical Fighter Wing at Tuy Hoa Air Base in April 1967. At that time he had more than 5,000 flying hours, with 4,500 of them in fighters. On June 25, 1967, with extensive previous service flying two tours in F-100 Super Sabres he was made commander of Detachment 1, 416th Tactical Fighter Squadron, based at Phu Cat Air Base. Using the call sign Misty, the name of Day’s favorite song, his detachment of 4 two-seat F-100’s and 16 pilots became pioneer “Fast FACs”: Forward Air Controllers over Laos and North Vietnam.

Medal of Honor citation
Rank and organization: Colonel (then Major), U.S. Air Force, Forward Air Controller Pilot of an F-100 aircraft. Place and date: North Vietnam, 26 August 1967. Entered service at: Sioux City, Iowa. Born: 24 February 1925, Sioux City, Iowa. Citation: On 26 August 1967, Col. Day was forced to eject from his aircraft over North Vietnam when it was hit by ground fire. His right arm was broken in 3 places, and his left knee was badly sprained. He was immediately captured by hostile forces and taken to a prison camp where he was interrogated and severely tortured. After causing the guards to relax their vigilance, Col. Day escaped into the jungle and began the trek toward South Vietnam. Despite injuries inflicted by fragments of a bomb or rocket, he continued southward surviving only on a few berries and uncooked frogs. He successfully evaded enemy patrols and reached the Ben Hai River, where he encountered U.S. artillery barrages. With the aid of a bamboo log float, Col. Day swam across the river and entered the demilitarized zone. Due to delirium, he lost his sense of direction and wandered aimlessly for several days. After several unsuccessful attempts to signal U.S. aircraft, he was ambushed and recaptured by the Viet Cong, sustaining gunshot wounds to his left hand and thigh. He was returned to the prison from which he had escaped and later was moved to Hanoi after giving his captors false information to questions put before him. Physically, Col. Day was totally debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. Despite his many injuries, he continued to offer maximum resistance. His personal bravery in the face of deadly enemy pressure was significant in saving the lives of fellow aviators who were still flying against the enemy. Col. Day’s conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great credit upon himself and the U.S. Armed Forces.

Awards

Medal of Honor
Air Force Cross
Distinguished Service Medal
Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Bronze Star (4)
Purple Heart
Air Medal (10)
Prisoner of War Medal


28 posted on 04/29/2008 10:39:32 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: Wiseghy

What a lot of people—even some Vietnam Vets—don’t understand is how horrific the torture techniques were in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. There were guys who didn’t break—Day, and Jim Stockdale—but holding out completely can legitimately be said to be beyond human endurance.

A Vietnam vet of my acquaintance told me he’ll never vote for McCain because of the confession, and I said, “I’m going to sound like a punk telling you this because you were fighting Charlie when I was in diapers, but you cannot know what those pilots went through. It is literally too horrific for you and I to comprehend.”


29 posted on 04/29/2008 10:39:52 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Leaked top-secret information concerning CIA prisons in Europe

Citation?

30 posted on 04/29/2008 10:40:52 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: SoConPubbie

They lack substance to you because you are among the timid souls who failed to serve.


31 posted on 04/29/2008 10:41:27 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: latina4dubya

It’s been awhile since I read up on Arnold, but I seem to recall that his bravery was almost alone on his list of good qualities.


32 posted on 04/29/2008 10:42:05 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: LSUfan
Here is some info on Bud Day:

Awesome, in the classical meaning of the word.

33 posted on 04/29/2008 10:42:24 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Dick Vomer

You make good points...so the deciding factor should be the one reflected in my tagline.


34 posted on 04/29/2008 10:43:07 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

John McCain’s awards. Scumbags on here and elsewhere will claim that he was a fraud, a scoundrel and even a bad aviator. This tells a different story...

Awards
Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Bronze Star
Purple Heart
Prisoner of War Medal


35 posted on 04/29/2008 10:43:38 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: the anti-liberal

His name is from a Muslim dad..It’s so much more than his name that scares me about him..The more I learn ..the more I fear for this nation should he become President...I always thought Hillary was my biggest nightmare til now.

Either will make it easier to pull the lever for McCain.


36 posted on 04/29/2008 10:43:59 PM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military)
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To: LSUfan

Garbage,

Serving has nothing to do with it.

His position on the issues is what counts.

Remember, that was 35+ years ago and he has changed dramatically since his early years in the Senat.


37 posted on 04/29/2008 10:45:10 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: LSUfan; Dick Vomer

As a veteran, I wasn’t offended by Dick’s comment at all. the military’s high level officers (and McCain is a third generation high-level military officer) tend to look for centralized solutions...it’s the nature of the beast.


38 posted on 04/29/2008 10:45:17 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: LSUfan

The suckup company clerk where I was in VietNam, who was never in harms way got a bronze star.


39 posted on 04/29/2008 10:46:44 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: LSUfan
They lack substance to you because you are among the timid souls who failed to serve.

Furthermore, if that were the case and I follow your logic, I guess you should have voted for Kerry over Bush given that Kerry actually served in the war zone, while Bush was state-side.
40 posted on 04/29/2008 10:47:01 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: exit82
The only response I have to your post, especially this...

There are four months to the Republican Convention. There are four months to get a real Republican to run for President instead of this Trojan Horse Manchurian Candidate.

...is POCKETA, POCKETA, POCKETA!

41 posted on 04/29/2008 10:47:52 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Grunthor

You know...I usually like your posts.

Not this time...


42 posted on 04/29/2008 10:48:00 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Operation Chaos is now on an operational pause...awaiting marching orders.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
McCain? As in McCain-Feingold? or McCain-Kennedy? or the countless other McCain______________-clones who screw us year-in and year-out?

See tagline. I'll vote for this @%$@#$, but if he thinks any money, sympathy, or effort will be forthcoming, he'd better think again.

43 posted on 04/29/2008 10:48:18 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Vote McCain - The Choice who Sucks Less!)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Serving has nothing to do with it.”

Only someone who failed to serve his country could make such a cynical statement.

McCain was my top choice in 2000.

But he was my 3rd choice in 2008.

Given the alternatives, anyone who doesn’t vote for McCain sentences this nation to great peril in the hands of a nominee unfit for office in terms of experience AND views.


44 posted on 04/29/2008 10:48:47 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: Mr. Silverback

The main reason I support McCain now is he promised to finish. The other reasons are his experience as a POW, and Senator. He is progressive and that pisses conservatives off. You have no choice. If your willing to shoot him down now and wait until 2012, the world will be a different place.


45 posted on 04/29/2008 10:49:21 PM PDT by eyedigress (If you aren't voting who cares about your opinion.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That's a very positive article. And Karl Rove is a man to be reckoned with in American politics.

I feel a little more optimistic about our nations future - thanks.

46 posted on 04/29/2008 10:49:25 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: SoConPubbie
"Here is McCain's Recent History over the last 7 years:"


I know...it's not pretty.

I'm not a McCain backer, but to put things into context, he had a great ACU rating before 2000.

He, in fact, was a conservative! ;o)

47 posted on 04/29/2008 10:50:24 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Operation Chaos is now on an operational pause...awaiting marching orders.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think this is remarkable. My question is: Will McCain’s “handlers” make sure that the general population of America will be apprised of this information before Election Day, November 4th or will they keep this info as the best kept secret in America?


48 posted on 04/29/2008 10:52:49 PM PDT by no dems (The Democrats destroying each other gives me moments of pleasureable reflections.)
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To: SoConPubbie; LongElegantLegs

My country matters enough to me that I am not willing to put one of the anti-Semitic chihuahuas from the donkey party at the helm in a time of war. If I have a choice between FDR and Jimmy Carter, I’m taking FDR every time. If you prefer Carter, then that’s your decision.

Do you know how stupid all this stuff about we who plan to vote for him being unpatriotic sounds? I didn’t freeze my butt off on Air Force flightlines because I’m unpatriotic, and I haven’t been freezing my butt off with a Support the Troops sign on a local streetcorner every Saturday for fvie years because I’m unpatriotic. Your charge makes you sound like a fool.


49 posted on 04/29/2008 10:52:57 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: dead
"Articles like that are like the spoonful of sugar I need to make the medicine of voting for McCain go down."


Yep...sadly.

50 posted on 04/29/2008 10:54:11 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Operation Chaos is now on an operational pause...awaiting marching orders.)
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