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United Methodist Church formally declares political mission, rejects salvation mission
United Methodist Church General Conference in Fort Worth ^ | 29 April 2008 | United Methodist Church, General Confer

Posted on 04/30/2008 7:05:29 AM PDT by mbarker12474

Yesterday, 29 April 2008, at 3:32 PM, the United Methodist Church formally and explicitely rejected it's long held and Biblically-based mission to make disciples of Christ by saving souls, and declared officially that its mission is to transform the world. This codifies in the Book of Discipline of the UMC, its book of law, what was already the de facto case in practice.

Here's the new text:

The mission of the Church is to make disciples of Jesus Christ for the transformation of the world.

Here's the previous text:

The mission of the Church is to make disciples of Jesus Christ.

Here's a rejected amendment:

The mission of the Church is to make disciples of Jesus Christ for the salvation of souls and the transformation of the world.

http://calms.umc.org/2008/Menu.aspx?type=Petition&mode=Single&number=271

Legislation Tracking Petition Search Calendar Search Plenary Action Petition 80271 << Back Mission of the UMC (80271-FO-¶120) Petition Status: Calendar Item Petition Text: Submitted Text ADCA p. 917 References: Book of Discipline: ¶120 Committee: Faith and Order Financial Implications: No Submitted by: Council of Bishops (General Agency) Ernest S. Lyght Washington, DC, USA Task Force to Study the Episcopacy Carolyn Briscoe Washington, DC, USA

Calendar Item Status << Back Mission of the UMC (FO1-¶120-A) Calendar Item Status: Committee Voted (Printed in DCA p. 2049) Calendar Item No: 171 Petitions on Calendar: 80271 Consent Calendar: Not assigned to a Consent Calendar. Committee Motion: Recommendation to Adopt Committee Vote: For: 48 Against: 22 Not Voting: 0

Vote Date and Time: 4/25/2008 8:16 PM Legislative Committee Report: The Petition is Adopted As Submitted. Click here to view full text

Plenary Action Status << Back Last Vote Action: Vote on Main Motion This motion was Adopted, with 776 votes for and 102 votes against. Plenary Motions: 4/29/2008 3:23 PM Amend the Main Motion REJECTED 295-548 Amend discipline ¶120

At the end of the first paragraph bolded statement "for the transformation of the world..."

Add "through sharing and living out the Gospel".

4/29/2008 3:31 PM Amend the Main Motion REJECTED 193-690 Add bolded text -

for the salvation of souls and the transformation of the world....

4/29/2008 3:32 PM Vote on Main Motion ADOPTED 776-102


TOPICS: Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: falseprophets; gramsci; greatcommission; methodist; religiousleft; socialgospel; spiritualwarfare; umc; unitedmethodist
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1 posted on 04/30/2008 7:05:29 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: mbarker12474

It’s liberation theology.....and completely OFF THE MARK for Christians.


2 posted on 04/30/2008 7:07:51 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: mbarker12474

Surprisingly blatant. It’s amazing that the compromise language was rejected by what is presumably a majority.


3 posted on 04/30/2008 7:08:10 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: mbarker12474
Already left. I had a pastor whose sermons were 90% political. Very leftwing.

Interestingly enough, she made it clear that she would not visit sick parishioners -- they "brough her down". But, you know, she cared deeply about humanity. Especially homosexuals. She was very big on homosexual marriage.

4 posted on 04/30/2008 7:08:39 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: xzins

Your perspective?


5 posted on 04/30/2008 7:10:12 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (What if Tony Almeida is the 12th Cylon?)
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To: mbarker12474

A denomination that is dying continues to drink hemlock.


6 posted on 04/30/2008 7:10:46 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: mbarker12474

My Mother in Law was a lifelong Methodist for over 80 years.

After a gaggle of lesbian pseudo ministers and left wing ministers, she stopped going to the church where she had attended since her birth and had worked in and for over the decadees.

She did not want her funeral in the Church, nor was a Methodist Minister invited to do her funeral service. Her family abided by her wishes and the funeral was held in a funeral home 7 miles away from her former church with a Baptist Minister in charge of her funeral.


7 posted on 04/30/2008 7:11:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Hussein ObamaSamma's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11")
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To: mbarker12474

By this it is abundantly clear that they are no longer a religious organization, but a political one.

The IRS should ensure that their tax compliance reflects this.

Their parishoners should understand that they are no longer receiving sermons, but rather policy statements.

No true religious organization should take them seriously ever again.


8 posted on 04/30/2008 7:13:53 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: mbarker12474
Looks like people have confused the two kingdoms. God came to save souls, while governments are here to keep law and order. Perfection is only in heaven; earth can never obtain a utopia or perfection.
9 posted on 04/30/2008 7:14:02 AM PDT by In veno, veritas (Please identify my Ad Hominem attacks. I should be debating ideas.)
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To: mbarker12474
They are declaring their apostasy. Come out from among them...

Seriously, anyone remaining in the UMC is putting their soul at risk.

I keep joking with my wife that before this is done, we're all going to be Catholic again. Liberals are destroying every mainline denomination.

10 posted on 04/30/2008 7:15:53 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: mbarker12474

I hope we don’t see any Freepers defending this.


11 posted on 04/30/2008 7:16:38 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

My perspective is as I stated in the post: The UMC codified what it already believes and practices. It believes Jesus was a socio-political figure, and his mission was to make changes based on class divisions and worldly human interests. It rejects, as an institution if not in every local church, the notions of a supernatural God and Christ and salvation of souls.

Mark Tooley suggests the UMC is beginning a slow turn to the right. Perhaps.

In the mean time, this is a last straw for me personally. I will now try to distinguish (much more carefully) church activities that support the institution of the UMC church from those that strengthen the catholic body of Christ and personal faith. And more carfully avoid all acts and givings that support the institution, including support of the professional clergy, property growth, church plants, etc. I will in some form renounce my membership. And continue to do what little I can to bring folks to Christ and strengthen the catholic Christian church universal.


12 posted on 04/30/2008 7:20:46 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (United Methodist Church: Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Legs, Open to Anything)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

My thoughts exactly. The UMC, and churches that follow suit, should be stripped of their tax-exempt status.


13 posted on 04/30/2008 7:23:14 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: mbarker12474

A few years back, I was invited to and attended a 150 year celebration of a Methodist Church of which my great great grandfather was one of the founders. It pains me to see how far the Methodist has veered from a course that was an important part of my ancestors spiritual lives. The Methodist Church has never been a part of my adult life and this article is no surprise but that makes it no less painful.


14 posted on 04/30/2008 7:23:31 AM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, your Uncle Jeremiah is speaking now, Barry can you hear him, Barry what you say now.)
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To: Boagenes
I keep joking with my wife that before this is done, we're all going to be Catholic again. Liberals are destroying every mainline denomination.

Liberals have had too much influence with Catholicism as well but the Pope is not one of them and they will never destroy it [the Church]. Come on over.

15 posted on 04/30/2008 7:24:08 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Apple Blossom

ping


16 posted on 04/30/2008 7:25:26 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I always rely on God and Guns in that order)
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To: mbarker12474

It’s about time that we all recognize the anti-denominational nature of the body of Christ.


17 posted on 04/30/2008 7:27:22 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: Boagenes

Liberals are destroying every mainline denomination.


Method in the madness?

18 posted on 04/30/2008 7:30:32 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: mbarker12474
Do we have to sing, "We can change the World" but Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young at church now? /sarcasm

Only Jesus can save the world. Christians that want to play God are dangerous.

19 posted on 04/30/2008 7:34:23 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I always rely on God and Guns in that order)
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To: EdReform

It seems to me that what they have is neither a religion nor a political party. They’ve actually got the worst of both worlds. It’s a Political Cult: a social agenda without hope and spirituality, a baseless and forlorn ethic.

I can’t think of anything more meaningless or pointless than that.


20 posted on 04/30/2008 7:35:51 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Good for your MIL. God bless her for eternity.


21 posted on 04/30/2008 7:36:51 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: wideawake
Liberation theology, purpose driven theology = sending unchurch folks to Hell!
22 posted on 04/30/2008 7:43:43 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: bmwcyle
You couldn't hear the congregational singing for all of the loud music and flashing lights!
23 posted on 04/30/2008 7:46:03 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: DieHard the Hunter

They’ve actually got the worst of both worlds. It’s a Political Cult: a social agenda without hope and spirituality, a baseless and forlorn ethic.


Yes, indeed. They are moving toward liberal secular humanism.

24 posted on 04/30/2008 7:46:26 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: mbarker12474

Funny. We send people to far lands to do mission work and we won’t even send people to a church in our own hometown to do mission work.

If you think the UMC is “lost”, it would make sense that a committed Christian would RUN to go to a UMC church to preach the Gospel.


25 posted on 04/30/2008 7:47:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: mbarker12474; xzins

I understand your position. I was asking xzins as he is a UMC pastor and has fought the good fight against the liberal takeover of the denomination.

My heritage is strongly Wesleyan/Methodist. But I have not attended a UMC since college


26 posted on 04/30/2008 7:47:29 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (What if Tony Almeida is the 12th Cylon?)
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To: Quix

United Methodists choose Globalism over Gospel of Jesus.


27 posted on 04/30/2008 7:49:15 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: AppyPappy

Excellent point ... why not work to reclaim the church from those who have steered it wrong?


28 posted on 04/30/2008 7:49:44 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Grampa Dave

Wow. I admire your mother-in-law’s courage. But what a loss after 80 years of investing herself in the Methodist Church. Thanks for telling of this.


29 posted on 04/30/2008 7:52:10 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: NonValueAdded

Because that is HARD and you might be criticized for it. I know too many ex-Methodists who now attend Barcolounger Baptist Church. I don’t think they left over theology.

Or they find a church where everyone thinks alike and dissension is not allowed.


30 posted on 04/30/2008 7:53:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

> If you think the UMC is “lost”, it would make sense that a committed Christian would RUN to go to a UMC church to preach the Gospel.

True. Though not to join and contribute to apportionments, but to preach the gospel.

There is much to be done within. Some folks are trying really hard.


31 posted on 04/30/2008 7:55:12 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (United Methodist Church: Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Legs, Open to Anything)
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To: EdReform
> Yes, indeed. They are moving toward liberal secular humanism.

I read that, and had a vision flash before my eyes as to what attending that "church" would be like:

It would be like the Barneyfication of Christianity.

You would be sitting there, listening to somebody with no claim to Moral Authority preach at you, while being unable to offer you any Spirituality. Rather like watching endless episodes of Barney the Purple Dinosaur, but for adults.


32 posted on 04/30/2008 8:17:34 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: mbarker12474
Methodists who want to stay in and fight should check out the Institute on Religion and Democracy, which is leading the fight to get the church back into the business of saving souls.
33 posted on 04/30/2008 8:18:58 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: AppyPappy

> Funny. We send people to far lands to do mission work and we won’t even send people to a church in our own hometown to do mission work.
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> If you think the UMC is “lost”, it would make sense that a committed Christian would RUN to go to a UMC church to preach the Gospel.

“A prophet is not without honor, save in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.”


34 posted on 04/30/2008 8:21:01 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: mbarker12474

Me and my family left years ago and haven’t looked back at their social indoctrination which included accepting and celebrating(promoting?) homosexuality, environmentalism and earth worship.


35 posted on 04/30/2008 8:23:08 AM PDT by MichiganCheese (Vote for the liars, they promise you more of other people's stuff.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
You couldn't hear the congregational singing for all of the loud music and flashing lights!

Sadly, the Methodist Church seems to be turning its back on much of its rich musical tradition. Some of America's greatest hymn writers, including James M. Black (When the Roll is Called Up Yonder), Leila Morris (Sweet Will of God, The Fight is On, Oh Christian Soldier), Charles H Gabriel (He is So Precious to Me), Phillip Bliss (Let the Lower Lights Be Burning, It Is Well With My Soul), and William Kirkpatrick (Jesus Saves) were Methodists.

Few of their works can be found in the current United Methodist hymnal. However, the book does include the civil rights anthem We Shall Overcome and the pacifistic Oh, Young and Fearless Prophet ("forbid false love of country..."). Some old favorites have also been altered to conform to standards of political correctness. God of Our Fathers is now God of the Ages, and Good Christian Men Rejoice is now Good Christian Friends Rejoice. And in This Is My Father's World, the phrase "the battle's not yet done" must have seemed too militaristic, so it has been replaced with "why should my heart be sad."

36 posted on 04/30/2008 9:09:08 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: steve86

I have to get past the Mary thing, first.


37 posted on 04/30/2008 9:53:06 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: mbarker12474

:::sigh::: It appears the “Confessing Movement” within the UM church hasn’t had much impact. Time for the confessors to either rise up and do something signficant or leave the UM church.


38 posted on 04/30/2008 10:01:30 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: mbarker12474

:::sigh::: It appears the “Confessing Movement” within the UM church hasn’t had much impact. Time for the confessors to either rise up and do something signficant or leave the UM church.


39 posted on 04/30/2008 10:01:35 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; DieHard the Hunter; Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54; P-Marlowe
The following was a pre-conference write-up by Dr Riley Case of the Confessing Movement, a solid, biblical group working for historic Christianity in the UMC. They did not like the idea of "transformation of the world" without something highlighting "for the salvation of souls."

It matters that Wesley (and many Methodists still) was post-millennial. He really did see a "transformation of the world" until it is the kingdom of God on earth.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that post-millennialism works well with post-Christian Arminianism's ignoring of the depravity of man in favor of an overly fawning God. It will always become a political kingdom that gets built.

Conversion and The Mission of the Church

A General Conference petition to expand the mission of the church would add the words “for the transformation of the world…” so that the mission statement would read: The purpose of the annual conference is to make disciples of Jesus Christ for the transformation of the world.

The petition comes from the Council of Bishops with the rationale that it reflects more adequately our understanding of the mission of the church. The bishops also link this expanded definition with mission initiatives adopted by the Connectional Table. The initiatives are leadership development, congregational development, ministry with the poor, and global health.

One certainly cannot speak against the idea of transforming the world but one might raise the question as to how the world is to be transformed. One hundred years ago the church spoke about the “conversion” of the world and “the salvation of the human race.” A few years later the language shifted so that instead of seeking the conversion of the world we were working for the bringing of God’s kingdom on the earth. This reflected a theological shift away from evangelism toward social justice.

Either way our sights were high. A couple of world wars and the rise (and fall) of communism tempered our vision. Never mind. We’re back again with a big vision, a vision of transformation. But the question still remains: Are we about social betterment or conversion?

The Africans might come to our rescue. There is evidently a petition coming from one of the African conferences (this material is not in the Advanced Christian Advocate) to insert a phrase something like “for the conversion of eternal souls” to the transformation phrase. The Africans have the most to gain by an emphasis on leadership development, work with the poor, and dealing with global health. But they are also very much aware that these emphases must not be considered separately from the salvation of souls.

It will be interesting to see how General Conference deals with these proposals.


40 posted on 04/30/2008 10:04:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
Interesting.

> Conversion and The Mission of the ChurchManifesto

There, I fixed it.

To my dismay I could see very little in this of Christ, or of the legitimate business of His followers. Many lofty ideals, few if any supportable by scripture.
41 posted on 04/30/2008 10:11:12 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: xzins

I would love to see if Thomas Oden has a comment on this.


42 posted on 04/30/2008 10:14:55 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: mbarker12474

John Wesley must be spinning in his grave.


43 posted on 04/30/2008 10:21:43 AM PDT by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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To: xzins

Thanks.


44 posted on 04/30/2008 10:28:14 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (What if Tony Almeida is the 12th Cylon?)
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To: Corin Stormhands

None of the conservative groups I read is thrilled with the change. The words themselves are innocuous. It’s how the liberal wing will interpret them that is the deal killer.


45 posted on 04/30/2008 10:58:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

Yeah, that’s kinda what I thought when I first read it.


46 posted on 04/30/2008 11:17:01 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (What if Tony Almeida is the 12th Cylon?)
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To: xzins; topcat54; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; PAR35; HarleyD; P-Marlowe; Lee N. Field; tabsternager; ...
Knowing that a lot of "change" is instituted in order for us to look the other way regarding the sins of homosexuality, I'm certainly suspicious of the need for a rewrite.

At the same time, I don't really see anything wrong with the words, per se; only perhaps with how those words might be twisted.

Here's the new text:

The mission of the Church is to make disciples of Jesus Christ for the transformation of the world.

Here's the previous text:

The mission of the Church is to make disciples of Jesus Christ.

A solid postmillenial approach to life is Scriptural, IMO. We are called to work towards transforming the earth back into the garden of God as much as possible by steadily "making disciples of Jesus Christ." Logically, the more disciples of Christ, the more the garden blooms and God's sustenance is revealed throughout all creation. Men's sanctification cannot but help to have a positive effect on the world around them, by definition.

Perhaps phrases like "winning souls" was discarded because only God can and does "win souls" as we've learned from another garden analogy...

"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." -- 1 Corinthians 3:5-7

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that post-millennialism works well with post-Christian Arminianism's ignoring of the depravity of man in favor of an overly fawning God. It will always become a political kingdom that gets built.

Yes, that's true. But what's wrong with a "political kingdom" built soundly and purposefully on the principles of "God's kingdom?"

That's the trick. That's what's difficult. But IMO that remains a worthy goal, even if ultimately impossible to completely attain.

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" -- Colossians 2:9-10

Calvin preached a separation of church and state. But in that preaching he was careful to stress that the state was not to impinge on the church. Instead the state was called on to protect the church while acknowledging that the principles of the church are right and true and should guide every citizen and every leader, according to Scripture...

"Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD." -- Psalm 150:6


"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God." -- Romans 13:1

One way or another, by His will, for His glory.

47 posted on 04/30/2008 12:43:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mogollon; xzins
John Wesley must be spinning in his grave.

Sad how many of the things George Whitefield warned John Wesley about have come to pass.

WHITEFIELD'S LETTER TO WESLEY

And for background, here's a good link...

IAIN MURRAY ON WHITEFIELD TO WESLEY

48 posted on 04/30/2008 12:53:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; topcat54; Alex Murphy; PAR35; HarleyD; P-Marlowe; Lee N. Field; ...

Machen was right once again.


49 posted on 04/30/2008 12:55:10 PM PDT by Gamecock ("I find your lack of faith-disturbing" Darth Vader)
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To: mbarker12474; All; drstevej; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; ...

Social Gospel was a movement led by a group of liberal Protestant progressives in response to the social problems raised by the rapid industrialization, urbanization, and increasing immigration of the Gilded Age. The social gospel differentiated itself from earlier Christian reform movements by prioritizing social salvation over individual salvation. Although the ministers and activists of the social gospel based their appeals on liberal theology, which emphasized the immanence of God and the doctrine of Incarnation and valued good works over creeds, they usually showed more interest in social science than in theology. Believing that laissez-faire capitalism’s understanding of labor as a commodity and its sole reliance on mechanisms of supply and demand to determine wages and allocate resources was un-Christian, social gospel advocates supported the labor movement and called for an interventionist welfare state. They differed from secular activists in that their ultimate vision was not just a more equitable balance of power within society, but a Christianized society in which cooperation, mutual respect, and compassion replaced greed, competition, and conflict among social and economic classes. Despite all of their efforts to reach the working class and to cooperate with the labor movement, though, the social gospel failed to reach far beyond its middle-class liberal Protestant milieu. Ultimately, the greatest achievement of the social gospel was to prepare the ground of middle-class America for progressivism.,CSM

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50 posted on 04/30/2008 12:58:28 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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