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Russia turns tables on West with rights watchdog
Reuters via Yahoo News ^ | Mon, Apr 28 07:49 PM | Christian Lowe

Posted on 04/30/2008 12:02:39 PM PDT by Bokababe

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia has endured years of criticism over its human rights record but now it is hitting back by setting up watchdogs in New York and Paris to challenge the West over its own rights record.

Natalya Narochnitskaya, one of the leaders of the project, said the Institute of Democracy and Cooperation will offer a fresh perspective on human rights that is not hostage to the political agenda of Western governments.

"American policy under the flag of democracy and human rights in actual fact is a Trotskyist permanent revolution which serves the aim of giving them (political) mastery," she said.

"There is a double standard in that some countries are declared without sin or are surrounded by a wall of immunity," Narochnitskaya, a former member of Russia's parliament who will head the Institute's Paris office, told Reuters in an interview.

"But if the issue is with Russia or (Moscow's ex-Soviet ally) Belarus then here you will have a full hue and cry," said Narochnitskaya. She said institute was up and running and would move into premises in Paris in the next few weeks.

The initiative coincides with a growing frustration among senior Kremlin officials who believe Western governments are using human rights as a weapon to prevent Russia from reclaiming its place as a major world power.

Rights groups and Western governments have alleged that Russian elections are not free and fair, that media freedom is being suppressed and opposition activists persecuted, and that troops fighting an Islamist insurgency use brutal methods.

President Vladimir Putin, who steps down next month but will stay on as prime minister, has acknowledged his country's record is imperfect but says no country is blameless.

He has pointed to the treatment of detainees at the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib detention centre in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, as well as what Moscow calls official discrimination against ethnic Russians living inside the European Union.

At an EU-Russia summit in Portugal in October last year, Putin said he wanted to set up a Russian human rights watchdog that would operate in Europe.

Narochnitskaya said her project had no links to the Russian government, though it was met with "a certain approval" in the Kremlin and it planned to apply for a government grant.

She said for now the institute had modest funding from a Russian company, which she declined to name.

One of the institute's first projects was to publish a book which argues that bloodless revolutions in ex-Soviet Georgia and Ukraine which installed pro-Western leaders were plotted and financed by the West.

Narochnitskaya said another project in development was to "monitor the monitors" who pass judgement on the fairness of elections. Moscow has accused monitors from European democracy watchdogs of having a political agenda.

She said the Institute also planned to send a fact-finding mission to Kosovo to assess if the rights of the Serb minority there are being respected. Russia backed its ally Belgrade in opposing independence for Kosovo.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; humanrights; kgb; kosovo; putin; russia; sovietunion; us
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This was bound to happen sooner or later. I am surprised that it took so long in this chess game.
1 posted on 04/30/2008 12:02:40 PM PDT by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe

“One of the institute’s first projects was to publish a book which argues that bloodless revolutions in ex-Soviet Georgia and Ukraine which installed pro-Western leaders were plotted and financed by the West.”

And that’s bad how again?


2 posted on 04/30/2008 12:04:48 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Bokababe
She said for now the institute had modest funding from a Russian company, which she declined to name.

Probably Gazprom. Are there any Russian companies Putin hasn't nationlized yet? Oh yeah, the ones owned by oligarch gangsters.

3 posted on 04/30/2008 12:06:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

4 posted on 04/30/2008 12:07:08 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

Iran and Zimbabwe should set ones up as well. If Russia is going to set these up, why not them too?


5 posted on 04/30/2008 12:07:56 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Bokababe

Natalya Narochnitskaya

6 posted on 04/30/2008 12:08:49 PM PDT by DemforBush
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To: Bokababe

Maybe Russia can save us from being prosecuted for hate crimes when we try to stop the public schools from training children to become homosexuals.


7 posted on 04/30/2008 12:10:47 PM PDT by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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To: Slapshot68
"And that’s bad how again?"

It's not whether or not it's "bad", simply that most people don't know.

We have been using "human rights" as a weapon, so Russia just added it to its arsenal. Simply surprised that they didn't do it sooner.

8 posted on 04/30/2008 12:11:55 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

Yawn. Russia we dont care. We have nothing to hide unlike you and china and iran.


9 posted on 04/30/2008 12:14:50 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Bokababe

Neo-Stalinists yelling Trotskyite counter-revolution.


10 posted on 04/30/2008 12:15:05 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no god but G_d and Moses is his Prophet.)
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To: Bokababe

Neo-Stalinists yelling Trotskyite counter-revolution.


11 posted on 04/30/2008 12:15:10 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no god but G_d and Moses is his Prophet.)
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To: Slapshot68

““One of the institute’s first projects was to publish a book which argues that bloodless revolutions in ex-Soviet Georgia and Ukraine which installed pro-Western leaders were plotted and financed by the West.”

And that’s bad how again?”

Because it was headed up by George Soros, that’s why it was bad.


12 posted on 04/30/2008 12:15:28 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Bokababe

Does that mean we can give a polonium 210 martini to any US critic?


13 posted on 04/30/2008 12:16:15 PM PDT by OeOeO (Sic Transit Gloria Mundi... Gloria get me a beer,and hurry..)
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Nothing to hide, just Waco, the murder of Randy Weaver’s family and the confiscation of over 400 children in Texas.


14 posted on 04/30/2008 12:17:02 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: rmlew
Rodina "fascist" party - Natalya Narochnitskaya: Dr. Narochnitskaya’s writings are frequently colored by conspiracy theories. In an article posted on Rodina’s web site entitled “The Axis of Washington-Tel Aviv-Istanbul and Others,” she makes the incredible argument that the Mossad and the CIA are behind Palestinian terrorist attacks against Israel:

“The logic of “cui bone” (to whose benefit) gives rise to a skeptical view of the widespread cliché that Yasir Arafat supposedly stands behind the Palestinian suicide bombers. Just as the mojahedin and the Taliban had a very un-Islamic handler who was able to direct their angry potential along the necessary geo-political arc, the inter-relations between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs are a feature of an analytical cultivation and the influence of special services­today the CIA and the Mossad­in the recent past, Soviet intelligence.”

While she makes no effort to condemn Palestinian terrorism, Dr. Narochnitskaya describes Prime Minister Sharon as being “steeped in blood.” Israel, according to Dr. Narochnitskaya, is little more than a tool of Western Imperialism in the Middle East whose “function in world history” is to play the role of “the champion of Anglo-American interests in the region.” The destructive consequences stemming from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are “not because of the actions of Hamas, but instead are in full compliance with the new Anglo-American geo-strategy which demands a new situation in the Near East and in which there is no room for Arab-Muslim ‘centers of strength’­Iraq, Syria and Iran.” In a deeply hypocritical statement, given how many lives were lost as a result of the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Dr. Narochnitskaya describes the 2001 US-led war against the Taliban as having resulted in the “total destruction of Afghanistan” and charges that it had nothing to do with hunting down Al Qaeda, but was instead motivated by the US government’s desire to control the Afghan opium crop.


15 posted on 04/30/2008 12:17:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Bushwacker777

At least we let most of our baggage and mistakes hang out to the world without trying to silent folks with polonium and hitmen killing folks.


16 posted on 04/30/2008 12:20:14 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
"The former USSR is the natural sphere of Russia's vital interests. This means that no other power should be allowed to deploy military forces within this sphere, even under the aegis of the United Nations. It means that none of the new states should be allowed to join an alliance directed against Russia. Yes, just like the Monroe Doctrine. Empire in itself is not a bad thing. The Russians in the other states must be defended. The government is stuck in a reactive stance on this issue. The secession of the Baltic states is illegitimate and should be recognized only if they grant citizenship to all former Soviet citizens living on their territory. Are the Baltic states viable? They are doomed to be border states. Either they will be under Russian domination or they will be under German domination. The same goes for Poland." - Natalya Narochnitskaya
17 posted on 04/30/2008 12:23:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Revanchism and the polistics of resentment are mental disorders. Sadly this is endemic in Russia.


18 posted on 04/30/2008 12:28:43 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no god but G_d and Moses is his Prophet.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The secession of the Baltic states is illegitimate and should be recognized only if they grant citizenship to all former Soviet citizens living on their territory. Are the Baltic states viable? They are doomed to be border states. Either they will be under Russian domination or they will be under German domination. The same goes for Poland.

NUTS! especially to that last part.

19 posted on 04/30/2008 12:28:47 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Pyro7480

Paging Molotov and Ribbentrop


20 posted on 04/30/2008 12:30:29 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no god but G_d and Moses is his Prophet.)
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To: Slapshot68

You know, the Russkies have always been paranoid...especially of the west.

Translation: They’re jealous and feel somebody owes them something.

How tiresome. But then, the Russians are just that, tiresome.


21 posted on 04/30/2008 12:32:22 PM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Bokababe

If a Russian “human rights organization” is prepared to speak frankly and honestly about human rights abuses in Belarus and the rest of the former Soviet states, then they will be credible in any criticisms they make against abuses in the West. If not, they are just a propaganda mouthpiece of the resurgent Soviets.

No one is expecting them to be either honest or credible. That in itself is a shame.


22 posted on 04/30/2008 12:33:17 PM PDT by marron
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To: Bushwacker777; Tailgunner Joe; All

What’s funny, is that if you exchanged the word “Russia” for “the US” in many of these quotes from Natalya Narochnitskaya , many of the people here would agree with her.

And by the way, the you editorialized the word “fascist” on the article you posted. The original passage did not include that.


23 posted on 04/30/2008 12:37:18 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

We dont care about russia. They along with their allies china and iran are the main problems with the world today. Troublemakers the lot of them.


24 posted on 04/30/2008 12:41:08 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: marron
"No one is expecting them to be either honest or credible. That in itself is a shame."

My guess is that they will be "credible", because we have a lot of human rights issues that we really are vulnerable on. They will likely put the spotlight on places that probably do have real human rights violations, but are ones we ignore because they are too politically sensitive for us -- for example, the fate of Christians in Iraq since we went to war there; the human rights of Serbs in Kosovo; etc. Russians are going to look for every place we are vulnerable and push it back at us, not because they are "honest" but because it is politically convenient for them. You can bet that, like our own choices, the "human right violations" spotlighted will be strategically chosen for the maximum political payoff.

In some ways, this may not be a bad thing. Because real issues that normally get swept under the political rug may instead see the light of day.

25 posted on 04/30/2008 12:52:03 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: MARKUSPRIME
"We dont care about russia."

So the reason that you responded to a Russia thread was?

26 posted on 04/30/2008 12:54:31 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Exactly. To he11 with them


27 posted on 04/30/2008 12:56:46 PM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...)
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To: rmlew
Neo-Stalinists yelling Trotskyite counter-revolution.

"American policy under the flag of democracy and human rights in actual fact is a Trotskyist permanent revolution which serves the aim of giving them (political) mastery," she said.

That jump off the page at me as well. She should understand that the civil rights NGO industry hates America more than Russia. If you check out the MSM over the last 5 years the stories probably run 100 to 1 in terms of civil rights violations.

28 posted on 04/30/2008 1:00:39 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: Bokababe
"American policy under the flag of democracy and human rights in actual fact is a Trotskyist permanent revolution which serves the aim of giving them (political) mastery," she said.

Oh my. //sniff-sniff// //dab-dab//

How I've missed communist, Cold War rhetoric. It brings a tear to my eye.....

29 posted on 04/30/2008 1:07:04 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Democrats - Stupid is as stupid do)
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To: Bokababe

The Russians will be doing us all a favor if they will address the abuse of the Kosvo Serbs’ human rights!


30 posted on 04/30/2008 1:07:48 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: VeniVidiVici
"How I've missed communist, Cold War rhetoric."

You've got the "Cold War rhetoric" part right. We are back to the Cold War, again -- a war we fought, we won -- and then we forgot we won!

31 posted on 04/30/2008 1:12:18 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
I did not add the word fascist to describe the "Rodina" Party, babe. It is included in the title of the article. You must have overlooked it. I will go further though. Rodina, the party this woman belongs to is not just fascist but an openly racist and anti-semitic political dedicated to Russian ethnic supremacy.

Before she was a neo-nazi she was Soviet ambassador to the UN during the 80's while the EVIL EMPIRE exterminated more than a million Afghans.


32 posted on 04/30/2008 1:12:18 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Bokababe

I think it was the Russians who forgot the USA won the Cold War, or they never heard!


33 posted on 04/30/2008 1:13:44 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Bokababe

Where is Major T.J. “King” Kong when you need him? It’s time to go toe-to-toe with the Russkies.


34 posted on 04/30/2008 1:17:16 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Bokababe

Human rights? Two or more can play at that game. The US has been doing it but not doing much actually. Words but no actual results. Soros has got to be the wizard at exploiting “human rights”

Russia’s doing it will add to the mix...why not?


35 posted on 04/30/2008 2:43:45 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: rmlew

Way off base there buddy. No sense at all.

Yours is one of the more clueless posts I’ve read in a while.


36 posted on 04/30/2008 2:46:02 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: eleni121
Are you suggesting that Natalya Narochnitskaya is not a Stalinist-apologist, becazuse she is.
Please tell me where I am off base and where you are not shilling for the communist-revanchist appropriation of pan-slavicism. Please explain how this is not a case of a Stalinist yelling "Trotsky".
37 posted on 04/30/2008 2:50:00 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no god but G_d and Moses is his Prophet.)
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Russians who forgot the USA won the Cold War...

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The Russians did not lose..they won.

It was the Soviet system that lost. A system that destroyed more Russian lives than any other ethnic group. A system run and managed by non Russians in the elite positions.
You need to catch up on your dismal knowledge of Soviet history. Start by reading Solzhenitsyn.

38 posted on 04/30/2008 2:51:12 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: rmlew
I have little time for your propaganda spewing socialist rituals. Read my post 38. Then read Solzhenitsyn.
39 posted on 04/30/2008 2:52:55 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: eleni121
Is that why Putin said anybody who does not miss the Soviet Union must have no heart?

If Russia won the Cold War, then why do they lament the USSR's collapse while the rest of the world celebrates it?

40 posted on 04/30/2008 2:55:02 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: eleni121
I am not anti-Russian. I respect the sovereign rights of all formerly soviet-occupied republics to choose their own governments and to be free of foreign intrusion.
Unfortunately, the KGB apparatchiks in Moscow keep old habits.
41 posted on 04/30/2008 2:57:38 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no god but G_d and Moses is his Prophet.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You are not reading the sentiments correctly. You are catching a glimpse of his comments through the narrow and tinted glasses of those who confuse Russia and Russian people with the strange and unnatural soviet marxist leninist beast that came to power in 1917 - Communism. Russia and Communism are polar opposites.

Putin has said regarding the collapse of the SU:

“As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.”

And those tens of millions of Russians had to somehow survive in lands now controlled by mad muslim (formerly Soviet apparatchiks) tyrants.

In addition he makes reference to the Chechnyan terrorist uprising which has caused untold amount of suffering for the Russian people.

You need to recognize and understand the context of remarks that are made by Russians. You cannot apply a simplistic interpretation and expect to get away with it. If you do you are simply a tool for the exploiters of the world super pimp soros who agrees with you about Russia.

42 posted on 04/30/2008 3:47:12 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: rmlew

Soviet occupied republics? What are you talking about? Many of these regions were never nations as defined by a nation state. They were amorphous regions mostly converted Muslims exploited by arabs and then Turks and used to harrass Russians first and then the Soviets.

How does it happen that Tajikistan born Russians fear for their lives because they have not islamified and have not adopted Tajik ways? What kind of sick twisted
“republic” is that?


43 posted on 04/30/2008 3:56:27 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You’re missing the comedic potential here.

We need to tell the Russians about how the Gore campaign went to court to have military absentee ballots thrown out, thereby “disenfranchising” voters who were serving their country.


44 posted on 04/30/2008 4:04:30 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: donna
Maybe Russia can save us from being prosecuted for hate crimes when we try to stop the public schools from training children to become homosexuals.

Lol!

45 posted on 04/30/2008 4:22:32 PM PDT by JPJones (Cry havoc and let loose the Freepers!)
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To: eleni121
Soviet occupied republics? What are you talking about? any of these regions were never nations as defined by a nation state. They were amorphous regions mostly converted Muslims exploited by arabs and then Turks and used to harrass Russians first and then the Soviets.

Ukraine, Belorus, and Armenia were conquered by the Red Army and incororated in the USSR. The Red Army tried to take Poland, but lost. This allowed the Baltic States and Poland to remain free. None of these are Muslim, so stop with your communist apologetics.

How does it happen that Tajikistan born Russians fear for their lives because they have not islamified and have not adopted Tajik ways? What kind of sick twisted “republic” is that?
And what of Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine or the Baltics?

46 posted on 04/30/2008 6:12:30 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no god but G_d and Moses is his Prophet.)
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To: rmlew

You know little about Armenia bright boy. I know little about Belarus and Ukraine but I betcha you know less.

As for Armenia, most Armenians I know are grateful to Russia. NOT the SOVIET UNION. The Russian army succeeded in gaining most of Ottoman Turk occupied Armenia during World War I, but their gains were lost with the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.

If it weren’t for the Russian fellow Orthodox people the Armenian nation would probably have been close to extinct.


47 posted on 04/30/2008 6:24:56 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: eleni121
And today, Russia treats Armenia with oh so much respect.

I'm not at all certain that you know more about central and eastern Europe than I. Especially if you think that the Soviets did not brutally conquer Ukraine and their successor "Russia" is not playing games to reoccupy other nations.
48 posted on 04/30/2008 6:35:14 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no god but G_d and Moses is his Prophet.)
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To: rmlew; eleni121

Wow, getting the popcorn here!


49 posted on 04/30/2008 7:10:50 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"I did not add the word fascist to describe the "Rodina" Party, babe. It is"

Sorry you are right, TJ. I didn't see it because the email began by the author saying that he "wasn't qualified to call Rodina fascist". Actually, the author was being generous, because based on these statements alone, I would have used that word.

However, the last minister of the Rodina Party, Aleksander Babakov, was Moldovan and apparently held Russian, Swedish and Israeli passports, and has "entensive business interests in the Ukraine". Given the level of xenophobia and anti-Semitism of these statements of Rodina Party members, the Israeli passport seems odd.

In any case, the Rodina Party seems to no longer exist. According to Wiki, Rodina merged with the Russian Party of Life and the Russian Pensioners Party to become the Fair Russia Party. This Fair Russia Party is described as the Liberal foil to Putin's Conservative United Russia, which again seems to make no sense if these people were actually fascists. Hmmm... this is confusing.

50 posted on 04/30/2008 7:43:43 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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