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Dungeon children speak in animal language (Heartbreaking)
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | April 30, 2008 | Nick Allen in Amstetten

Posted on 04/30/2008 2:41:19 PM PDT by PROCON

The Austrian children kept in a cellar for their entire lives speak their own language using animalistic noises rather than words. Stefan Fritzl, 18, and his brother Felix, five, learned to talk by watching a television in the dungeon where they were held with their mother Elisabeth Fritzl, 42. But their form of communciation is only partly intelligible to Austrian police officers.

Police chief Leopold Etz, 50, who has met the two boys, said: “It is only half true that they can speak. They communicate with noises that are a mixture of growling and cooing.

“If they want to say something so others understand them as well they have to focus and really concentrate which seems to be extremely exhausting for them.

“Felix prefers to crawl but he can walk upright if he wants.”

Dr Berthold Kepplinger, who examined the brothers at a neuropsychiatric clinic near their home town of Amstetten, said: “They communicate between each other but this is far from a normal way of expressing oneself.

“Their mother taught them to read and write a bit but Elisabeth had lost much of her childhood knowledge after her imprisonment from the age of 18.

“They had no books and the main source of education was the television.”

When he was rescued Felix pointed to the moon, which he was seeing for the first time, and said: “Is that God up there?”

He then made excited gurgling noises when he saw a cow.

Doctors said that since he emerged from his prison he is constantly excited and keeps trying to hit the air with his hand.

When he saw the sun for the first time he was even more excited than when he discovered the moon.

He made a squeaking noise and tried to look directly at the sun. When he realised he couldn’t he kept covering his face with his hand.

When police took him in a lift at the hospital he was petrified and clung on to his mother as the floor moved.

Police said he was stunned when one officers started talking into a mobile phone.

Felix was also excited about the police officer's mobile phones. He was stunned by the ring tones and even more when one of the policemen used his mobile phone to talk.

The youngster also often hums an unknown tune to himself which police believe his mother used to get him to sleep.

Stefan and Felix’s sister Kerstin, 19, became ill in the dungeon and is in a coma.

All three have weakened immune systems, are suffering from vitamin D deficiency and are anaemic.

None of them had ever been seen by a doctor or a dentist and Kerstin has already lost most of her teeth.

The low ceilings in their prison left them all with cramped physical posture.

Elisabeth has aged so much she looks like a sister to her mother Rosemarie, 68.

Austrian psychotherapist and university professor Rotraud Perner said: “A lot will depend on what the children have been told, whether the mother explained to them their life in captivity.

“They may have created their own illusory world. However, a normal life could be possible for them.”

The children will need to wear sun-block cream as their skin gets used to sunlight.


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KEYWORDS: fritzl; incest; monster
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And this animal can only get 15 years? WTF?
1 posted on 04/30/2008 2:41:19 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

This story just keeps getting stranger everyday.


2 posted on 04/30/2008 2:45:19 PM PDT by JJR RNCH (Your mother doesn't work here!! Clean up after YOURSELF.)
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To: PROCON

I am at a loss for words....


3 posted on 04/30/2008 2:45:33 PM PDT by Kimmers
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To: PROCON

I am at a loss for words....


4 posted on 04/30/2008 2:45:35 PM PDT by Kimmers
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To: PROCON

Not to diminish this but the ‘Nature or Nurture’ psychologists are going to have a field day with these poor kids.


5 posted on 04/30/2008 2:47:00 PM PDT by Borges
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To: PROCON

I’ve completely missed this story? I gather, some man imprisoned the mother from the age of 18 and she had children while in captivity?

How tragic. How horrible.


6 posted on 04/30/2008 2:49:59 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: PROCON

This is so awful ... capital punishment is in order.

Hell is worse than ANY prison on this earth.


7 posted on 04/30/2008 2:50:13 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: PROCON
And the LIbs say there is no such thing as Evil (except for Bush and Cheney).

This guy is EVIL.

8 posted on 04/30/2008 2:50:17 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: PROCON

I’d happily volunteer to be on the firing squad to erase all those guilty in this.


9 posted on 04/30/2008 2:50:49 PM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: JJR RNCH

My brother-in-law is a big shot in a state prison for the mentally insane criminals. He has mentioned more than once of family visits that involve a great deal of howling and animal type noises.


10 posted on 04/30/2008 2:51:00 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: KansasGirl
It was her FATHER than imprisoned her since she was about 18. He fathered 5 or 7 kids with his DAUGHTER.
11 posted on 04/30/2008 2:51:20 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: PROCON

That is HORRIBLE!!!

I wonder what kind of physical problems from the inbreeding as well.


12 posted on 04/30/2008 2:52:28 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: SF Republican

Just beyond my comprehension.


13 posted on 04/30/2008 2:53:00 PM PDT by JJR RNCH (Your mother doesn't work here!! Clean up after YOURSELF.)
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To: KansasGirl

all 7 of her children were fathered by her father. this really is the most heartbreaking story I’ve read in a very long time.


14 posted on 04/30/2008 2:53:07 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: PROCON
Shoot the guy. Shoot him now. Just pull out the dept.-issued 9mm and let him have it in the head. He doesn't deserve to live anymore.

I've heard a lot of wierd stuff in my time, but this one tops them all for cruelty, malice, and evil. Poor kids, poor girl/woman. Undoing 20+ years of treatment like that will take serious prayer and therapy. Plus getting adjusted to life outside the dungeon.

15 posted on 04/30/2008 2:53:11 PM PDT by Othniel (Kirk: Don't trust them. Don't believe them. Spock: They're dying. Kirk: LET THEM DIE.)
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To: PROCON

15 years for multiple rapes, child abuse, false imprisonment and incest?

unFREAKINbelievable!


16 posted on 04/30/2008 2:53:20 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: PROCON
And this animal can only get 15 years - I hope his daughter is allowed to visit once a week for 15 minutes, with a baseball bat.
17 posted on 04/30/2008 2:53:28 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: KansasGirl
It's worse than that, his own daughter!

Maybe some one can post original story?!

18 posted on 04/30/2008 2:53:30 PM PDT by PROCON (Dems=You can Fool Some of the People all of the Time--Abraham Lincoln)
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To: KansasGirl

Worse.

He imprisioned HIS DAUGHTER and had seven children with her and held her and the children captive. She is 40 something now.


19 posted on 04/30/2008 2:53:36 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: PROCON

It would probably be a good idea to put these kids in a sort of drastic-measures full-immersion language training program with expert pediatric language and speech therapists.


20 posted on 04/30/2008 2:57:06 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Borges
Not to diminish this but the ‘Nature or Nurture’ psychologists are going to have a field day with these poor kids.

Yeah, I certainly don't want to seem like I don't care about these kids, but they do offer an incredible opportunity for a case study. Maybe some good can come from this whole thing.

As to another poster's comment, the health problems from inbreeding are probably pretty minimal if they've survived to be teens. The risk of genetic problems from incest is actually far lower than one would expect, and most problems that crop up would be fatal during the pregnancy or during infant development.
21 posted on 04/30/2008 2:57:53 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: Southerngl

The story only mentioned three children; are the other 4 dead?

Dear heaven, how can a parent do this?? What did her mother think happened to her? Did she know?

Those poor children and their mom, what a horror story.


22 posted on 04/30/2008 2:59:58 PM PDT by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: PROCON

15 This side of the jordan and eternal torment beyond. As the lord said better is death than the torment that awaits one who does this to children.


23 posted on 04/30/2008 3:00:19 PM PDT by festus (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: PROCON

I can hardly stand this story. How did the mother not wonder what happened to her daughter? He had her locked up since she was 18? Did she think her daughter had died?

I hate this story. I hate that a so called father could be so cruel.


24 posted on 04/30/2008 3:01:11 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: PROCON

Next they’ll be blaming this on the FLDS.


25 posted on 04/30/2008 3:02:09 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: RikaStrom

three children living normal lives upstairs.......three in the dungeon........and one died at birth.

hey, stranger!


26 posted on 04/30/2008 3:02:56 PM PDT by tioga
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To: RikaStrom

oh, yeah......the father claimed he found three infants on their doorstep left with a note by their runaway daughter.


27 posted on 04/30/2008 3:03:51 PM PDT by tioga
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To: SpaceBar

Sorry, but no amount of drastic measures full-immersion language training and/or speech therapists will help them.

Most language processing becomes baked-in by age SIX.

They need our prayers.

Lurking’


28 posted on 04/30/2008 3:04:04 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: tioga

Hey Tioga! Long time no see. :-)

Soooo, how come no one said anything about the three kids living upstairs? Or do I need to go read the original story? I mean, did the mother think they sprung from the garden out back?

This story is frightening.


29 posted on 04/30/2008 3:05:20 PM PDT by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: KansasGirl
I gather, some man imprisoned the mother

Much worse - that man (lower than a beast) is her father

30 posted on 04/30/2008 3:05:46 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: PROCON

Joseph Fritzl

31 posted on 04/30/2008 3:06:16 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: PROCON
The Austrian children kept in a cellar for their entire lives speak their own language using animalistic noises rather than words. Stefan Fritzl, 18, and his brother Felix, five, learned to talk by watching a television in the dungeon where they were held with their mother Elisabeth Fritzl, 42.

While all of this is appalling and the father/grandfather is truly a monster, I don't understand why they can't talk properly. They were able to hear their mother speak and hear speech on TV as well. After seeing pre-schoolers from other countries able to speak accent-free English within a couple of years after getting here (apparently from watching TV), it seems strange that the 18 year old would have trouble speaking. Are there other factors - physical abuse, brain damage, etc?
32 posted on 04/30/2008 3:06:49 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: RikaStrom

it’s all in the story......the father claimed the daughter ran away.....when he had drugged her and taken her downstairs......then he claimed he found the infants with a note from the runaway asking her parents to raise them..so the state broke their own laws and allowed the adoptions......the other were in the sound proof dungeon......pics and drawings all at the story site......at least the one I saw yesterday. did you SEE the creep in his speedo on his Thailand vacation at the beach?????????


33 posted on 04/30/2008 3:08:50 PM PDT by tioga
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This is so awful ... capital punishment is in order.

NO.

A 6 X 6 windowless cell, never to see daylight or have any communication with another human being - I should say, "a human being", not "another" one - for HE is not human.

34 posted on 04/30/2008 3:08:51 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: PROCON

I’d stick that SOB in a small cell with a VERY large inmate that is addicted to Viagra/Cialis and an endless supply to feed his addiction.


35 posted on 04/30/2008 3:09:03 PM PDT by demsux
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To: RikaStrom
Speedo pic link. more info in the article on that thread.
36 posted on 04/30/2008 3:11:17 PM PDT by tioga
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To: RikaStrom

Three were raised as ‘drop offs’ the “FATHER” claimed his missing daughter dropped off on his doorstep. So he chose three to raise, three to keep hostage and one died as an infant.


37 posted on 04/30/2008 3:13:20 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: TruthConquers

He told the police and his invalid wife that their daughter had run away when she was 18. He claimed the three kids he raised were dropped off by his ‘missing’ daughter.


38 posted on 04/30/2008 3:14:29 PM PDT by Southerngl
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"Are there other factors - physical abuse, brain damage, etc? "

Maybe the inbreeding has had an effect? I agree with another poster - These kids will be studied intensively and will never have even close to a normal life.

39 posted on 04/30/2008 3:14:32 PM PDT by TCats
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To: CarrotAndStick

I swear he and The Grinch are seperated at birth.


40 posted on 04/30/2008 3:15:26 PM PDT by Southerngl
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15 years for multiple rapes, child abuse, false imprisonment and incest? unFREAKINbelievable!

Even more unbelievable is the fact that first degree murder in Austria carries a maximum sentence of 20 years! The only bright spot is that age 73, the 15 years will probably be a life sentence.

41 posted on 04/30/2008 3:15:36 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Typical White Person #8,675,309)
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To: KansasGirl

An austrian father locked his daughter (and several children as a result of their incest) in a basement complex for 20 or so years.

He raised 3 of the offspring above ground in the house above.

Probably the most horrific crime I have ever heard of.


42 posted on 04/30/2008 3:16:10 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: KansasGirl
The father removed 3 of the children, claimed the daughter had run off to a cult and left these 3 kids on the doorstep as infants. He and his wife raised them. The remaining 3 kids that he said were "crybabies" were left in the dungeon with their mother (his daughter). One other child, a twin, supposedly died in infancy and incinerated it in a furnace.

I find it extremely difficult to believe this monster's wife did not suspect anything. Unless she, too, was abused by this control freak, a la Hedda Nussbaum. Also, the nice Austrians sentence murderers to only 20 years. The father is also now under investigation for an unsolved murder near property he owned.

Prayers for all the innocent children.

43 posted on 04/30/2008 3:17:01 PM PDT by informavoracious (God BLESS America)
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To: Southerngl

I know the 19 yr old is sick and that’s how they were found but what’s the detail of that, anyone? Did someone call 911? did the 19 yr old say they were in a dungeon before she fell into a coma?


44 posted on 04/30/2008 3:17:24 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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” Are there other factors - physical abuse, brain damage, etc?”

You mean, besides the same man being the father and grandfather?


45 posted on 04/30/2008 3:17:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: spacejunkie01

He let her out to go to the hospital. Her mother slipped a note in her pocket and the EMS found it.


46 posted on 04/30/2008 3:18:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: spacejunkie01

She fell sick and he took her to a hospital. Even she said she was surprised he took her to a hospital, but she fell into a coma at the hospital. They haven’t said why she was sick, but they had never been to a doctor (hell, they never saw sunlight). But the mother (daughter) put a note in the girl’s pocket and doctors found it.


47 posted on 04/30/2008 3:19:32 PM PDT by Southerngl
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“Are there other factors - physical abuse, brain damage, etc?”

That’s what I’m thinking too. It sounds like mom tried to teach her kids language and reading. But I wonder, after so many years in their hole, if she just gave up?? (And not blaming the mom in any way). Also, if all there is to do is eat, sleep, go potty and watch TV, how much language does one really need?

I can’t imagine the horror.

The quote that got me was when the little boy looked up at the moon and asked “Is that God?”

Obviously it was not all grunts, and that he had learned about God somehow. And mom must have taken good care of them to survive that long in such terrible conditions.


48 posted on 04/30/2008 3:22:31 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: Southerngl

wonder if she is diabetic since she’s already lost most of her teeth at 19.


49 posted on 04/30/2008 3:26:50 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: AmusedBystander

True, but this man is responsible for one dead baby, ruining the life of his own daughter, and horribly damaging at least three kids, probably damaging the lives of the other three kids whom he adopted and shattering the life of his wife.

Don’t get me wrong, we’re all sinners and all of us deserve punishment of some kind, but this is just unbelievable. I just can’t get over how much suffering this one man caused.

And what would have happened if he had died? Would his daughter and those poor kids have starved to death in their prison, their plight unknown to the world? This is just horrible all around.


50 posted on 04/30/2008 3:28:24 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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