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Dungeon children speak in animal language (Heartbreaking)
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | April 30, 2008 | Nick Allen in Amstetten

Posted on 04/30/2008 2:41:19 PM PDT by PROCON

The Austrian children kept in a cellar for their entire lives speak their own language using animalistic noises rather than words. Stefan Fritzl, 18, and his brother Felix, five, learned to talk by watching a television in the dungeon where they were held with their mother Elisabeth Fritzl, 42. But their form of communciation is only partly intelligible to Austrian police officers.

Police chief Leopold Etz, 50, who has met the two boys, said: “It is only half true that they can speak. They communicate with noises that are a mixture of growling and cooing.

“If they want to say something so others understand them as well they have to focus and really concentrate which seems to be extremely exhausting for them.

“Felix prefers to crawl but he can walk upright if he wants.”

Dr Berthold Kepplinger, who examined the brothers at a neuropsychiatric clinic near their home town of Amstetten, said: “They communicate between each other but this is far from a normal way of expressing oneself.

“Their mother taught them to read and write a bit but Elisabeth had lost much of her childhood knowledge after her imprisonment from the age of 18.

“They had no books and the main source of education was the television.”

When he was rescued Felix pointed to the moon, which he was seeing for the first time, and said: “Is that God up there?”

He then made excited gurgling noises when he saw a cow.

Doctors said that since he emerged from his prison he is constantly excited and keeps trying to hit the air with his hand.

When he saw the sun for the first time he was even more excited than when he discovered the moon.

He made a squeaking noise and tried to look directly at the sun. When he realised he couldn’t he kept covering his face with his hand.

When police took him in a lift at the hospital he was petrified and clung on to his mother as the floor moved.

Police said he was stunned when one officers started talking into a mobile phone.

Felix was also excited about the police officer's mobile phones. He was stunned by the ring tones and even more when one of the policemen used his mobile phone to talk.

The youngster also often hums an unknown tune to himself which police believe his mother used to get him to sleep.

Stefan and Felix’s sister Kerstin, 19, became ill in the dungeon and is in a coma.

All three have weakened immune systems, are suffering from vitamin D deficiency and are anaemic.

None of them had ever been seen by a doctor or a dentist and Kerstin has already lost most of her teeth.

The low ceilings in their prison left them all with cramped physical posture.

Elisabeth has aged so much she looks like a sister to her mother Rosemarie, 68.

Austrian psychotherapist and university professor Rotraud Perner said: “A lot will depend on what the children have been told, whether the mother explained to them their life in captivity.

“They may have created their own illusory world. However, a normal life could be possible for them.”

The children will need to wear sun-block cream as their skin gets used to sunlight.


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KEYWORDS: fritzl; incest; monster
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To: vladimir998
15 years for multiple rapes, child abuse, false imprisonment and incest? unFREAKINbelievable!

Even more unbelievable is the fact that first degree murder in Austria carries a maximum sentence of 20 years! The only bright spot is that age 73, the 15 years will probably be a life sentence.

41 posted on 04/30/2008 3:15:36 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Typical White Person #8,675,309)
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To: KansasGirl

An austrian father locked his daughter (and several children as a result of their incest) in a basement complex for 20 or so years.

He raised 3 of the offspring above ground in the house above.

Probably the most horrific crime I have ever heard of.


42 posted on 04/30/2008 3:16:10 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: KansasGirl
The father removed 3 of the children, claimed the daughter had run off to a cult and left these 3 kids on the doorstep as infants. He and his wife raised them. The remaining 3 kids that he said were "crybabies" were left in the dungeon with their mother (his daughter). One other child, a twin, supposedly died in infancy and incinerated it in a furnace.

I find it extremely difficult to believe this monster's wife did not suspect anything. Unless she, too, was abused by this control freak, a la Hedda Nussbaum. Also, the nice Austrians sentence murderers to only 20 years. The father is also now under investigation for an unsolved murder near property he owned.

Prayers for all the innocent children.

43 posted on 04/30/2008 3:17:01 PM PDT by informavoracious (God BLESS America)
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To: Southerngl

I know the 19 yr old is sick and that’s how they were found but what’s the detail of that, anyone? Did someone call 911? did the 19 yr old say they were in a dungeon before she fell into a coma?


44 posted on 04/30/2008 3:17:24 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

” Are there other factors - physical abuse, brain damage, etc?”

You mean, besides the same man being the father and grandfather?


45 posted on 04/30/2008 3:17:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: spacejunkie01

He let her out to go to the hospital. Her mother slipped a note in her pocket and the EMS found it.


46 posted on 04/30/2008 3:18:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: spacejunkie01

She fell sick and he took her to a hospital. Even she said she was surprised he took her to a hospital, but she fell into a coma at the hospital. They haven’t said why she was sick, but they had never been to a doctor (hell, they never saw sunlight). But the mother (daughter) put a note in the girl’s pocket and doctors found it.


47 posted on 04/30/2008 3:19:32 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“Are there other factors - physical abuse, brain damage, etc?”

That’s what I’m thinking too. It sounds like mom tried to teach her kids language and reading. But I wonder, after so many years in their hole, if she just gave up?? (And not blaming the mom in any way). Also, if all there is to do is eat, sleep, go potty and watch TV, how much language does one really need?

I can’t imagine the horror.

The quote that got me was when the little boy looked up at the moon and asked “Is that God?”

Obviously it was not all grunts, and that he had learned about God somehow. And mom must have taken good care of them to survive that long in such terrible conditions.


48 posted on 04/30/2008 3:22:31 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: Southerngl

wonder if she is diabetic since she’s already lost most of her teeth at 19.


49 posted on 04/30/2008 3:26:50 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: AmusedBystander

True, but this man is responsible for one dead baby, ruining the life of his own daughter, and horribly damaging at least three kids, probably damaging the lives of the other three kids whom he adopted and shattering the life of his wife.

Don’t get me wrong, we’re all sinners and all of us deserve punishment of some kind, but this is just unbelievable. I just can’t get over how much suffering this one man caused.

And what would have happened if he had died? Would his daughter and those poor kids have starved to death in their prison, their plight unknown to the world? This is just horrible all around.


50 posted on 04/30/2008 3:28:24 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Apparently so since the tenant in the building ignored the knocking and seeing the man wheelbarrow food to the back of the house for 14 years.


51 posted on 04/30/2008 3:32:52 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: PROCON

One has to take the Christian view here. Pray for this mother and these children. They have been resurrected. They can see light, they can breath, THEY ARE FREE. The monster that imprisoned them is a DEAD man, he always was. When he no longer resides in this life, he will have eternal life in a place prepared for him called HELL. God did not bring this mother and her children up from their torture and their hell to experience more of the same. Good will come to they that have suffered at the hands of this Satanic monster.


52 posted on 04/30/2008 3:33:32 PM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, your Uncle Jeremiah is speaking now, Barry can you hear him, Barry what you say now.)
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To: spacejunkie01

That’s what I thought too!


53 posted on 04/30/2008 3:34:06 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Biblebelter

This is when I question my own Christian beliefs that a man can utter an I’m sorry and get eternity in heaven.


54 posted on 04/30/2008 3:35:02 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: PROCON

“And this animal can only get 15 years?”

This is Europe. Murderers get only five or ten years.

What this guy did should be a capital offense.


55 posted on 04/30/2008 3:45:35 PM PDT by Aglooka
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To: Southerngl
This is when I question my own Christian beliefs that a man can utter an I’m sorry and get eternity in heaven.

You misunderstand. No words, no utterance will get anyone to Heaven. It is that which is in our heart that will determine our eternal disposition. I do believe there will be murderers in Heaven, that is the greatness of our Father. He is capable of a Forgiveness which is unfathomable to those of us who are his creations. But I can say with as much certainty as I am capable of, that the monster who is the main character in this story will have no words nor change of heart that can keep him from the Eternal residence known here in the temporal as HELL.

56 posted on 04/30/2008 3:46:24 PM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, your Uncle Jeremiah is speaking now, Barry can you hear him, Barry what you say now.)
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To: Southerngl
I wonder what kind of physical problems from the inbreeding as well.

The odds of birth defects in a child resulting from sex between two people with identical genes (brother/sister) is about 50%. The determination of whether the child will be normal or a monster is literally a coin flip. The odds actually go down quite a bit when you're talking about father/daughter, because the daughter only shares half of the fathers genes. On average, 1 in 4 children from father/daughter incest will have some kind of noticeable birth defect. Obviously, these numbers compound if you do it generation after generation.

I'm assuming that the dead baby was the result of birth defects, so with six additional children the odds are decent that at least one or two will have some sort of physical disability. It's also possible that, with only a 25% chance of deformity per birth, the remainder got lucky. There's no way for us to know right now.

No, I'm not a pervert, I just watch too much TV.
57 posted on 04/30/2008 3:49:00 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: KansasGirl
I’ve completely missed this story? I gather, some man imprisoned the mother from the age of 18 and she had children while in captivity?

Not some man, her own father. She had 7 children by him in that dungeon.

58 posted on 04/30/2008 3:55:02 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: PROCON

There aren’t even words for this level of depravity and evil. Only a just and righteous God can serve up the appropriate penalty for a sick, twisted, demonic piece of human offal like this S.O.B. Reading this story made me physically ill, and that takes some doing.


59 posted on 04/30/2008 4:00:54 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: tioga

Oh sweet mercy. May the Lord keep and bless the mother and the childre, I can’t say what I want to happen to the monster that sired them all.


60 posted on 04/30/2008 4:45:53 PM PDT by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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