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Dungeon children speak in animal language (Heartbreaking)
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | April 30, 2008 | Nick Allen in Amstetten

Posted on 04/30/2008 2:41:19 PM PDT by PROCON

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To: vladimir998
15 years for multiple rapes, child abuse, false imprisonment and incest? unFREAKINbelievable!

Even more unbelievable is the fact that first degree murder in Austria carries a maximum sentence of 20 years! The only bright spot is that age 73, the 15 years will probably be a life sentence.

41 posted on 04/30/2008 3:15:36 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Typical White Person #8,675,309)
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To: KansasGirl

An austrian father locked his daughter (and several children as a result of their incest) in a basement complex for 20 or so years.

He raised 3 of the offspring above ground in the house above.

Probably the most horrific crime I have ever heard of.


42 posted on 04/30/2008 3:16:10 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: KansasGirl
The father removed 3 of the children, claimed the daughter had run off to a cult and left these 3 kids on the doorstep as infants. He and his wife raised them. The remaining 3 kids that he said were "crybabies" were left in the dungeon with their mother (his daughter). One other child, a twin, supposedly died in infancy and incinerated it in a furnace.

I find it extremely difficult to believe this monster's wife did not suspect anything. Unless she, too, was abused by this control freak, a la Hedda Nussbaum. Also, the nice Austrians sentence murderers to only 20 years. The father is also now under investigation for an unsolved murder near property he owned.

Prayers for all the innocent children.

43 posted on 04/30/2008 3:17:01 PM PDT by informavoracious (God BLESS America)
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To: Southerngl

I know the 19 yr old is sick and that’s how they were found but what’s the detail of that, anyone? Did someone call 911? did the 19 yr old say they were in a dungeon before she fell into a coma?


44 posted on 04/30/2008 3:17:24 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

” Are there other factors - physical abuse, brain damage, etc?”

You mean, besides the same man being the father and grandfather?


45 posted on 04/30/2008 3:17:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: spacejunkie01

He let her out to go to the hospital. Her mother slipped a note in her pocket and the EMS found it.


46 posted on 04/30/2008 3:18:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: spacejunkie01

She fell sick and he took her to a hospital. Even she said she was surprised he took her to a hospital, but she fell into a coma at the hospital. They haven’t said why she was sick, but they had never been to a doctor (hell, they never saw sunlight). But the mother (daughter) put a note in the girl’s pocket and doctors found it.


47 posted on 04/30/2008 3:19:32 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“Are there other factors - physical abuse, brain damage, etc?”

That’s what I’m thinking too. It sounds like mom tried to teach her kids language and reading. But I wonder, after so many years in their hole, if she just gave up?? (And not blaming the mom in any way). Also, if all there is to do is eat, sleep, go potty and watch TV, how much language does one really need?

I can’t imagine the horror.

The quote that got me was when the little boy looked up at the moon and asked “Is that God?”

Obviously it was not all grunts, and that he had learned about God somehow. And mom must have taken good care of them to survive that long in such terrible conditions.


48 posted on 04/30/2008 3:22:31 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: Southerngl

wonder if she is diabetic since she’s already lost most of her teeth at 19.


49 posted on 04/30/2008 3:26:50 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: AmusedBystander

True, but this man is responsible for one dead baby, ruining the life of his own daughter, and horribly damaging at least three kids, probably damaging the lives of the other three kids whom he adopted and shattering the life of his wife.

Don’t get me wrong, we’re all sinners and all of us deserve punishment of some kind, but this is just unbelievable. I just can’t get over how much suffering this one man caused.

And what would have happened if he had died? Would his daughter and those poor kids have starved to death in their prison, their plight unknown to the world? This is just horrible all around.


50 posted on 04/30/2008 3:28:24 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Apparently so since the tenant in the building ignored the knocking and seeing the man wheelbarrow food to the back of the house for 14 years.


51 posted on 04/30/2008 3:32:52 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: PROCON

One has to take the Christian view here. Pray for this mother and these children. They have been resurrected. They can see light, they can breath, THEY ARE FREE. The monster that imprisoned them is a DEAD man, he always was. When he no longer resides in this life, he will have eternal life in a place prepared for him called HELL. God did not bring this mother and her children up from their torture and their hell to experience more of the same. Good will come to they that have suffered at the hands of this Satanic monster.


52 posted on 04/30/2008 3:33:32 PM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, your Uncle Jeremiah is speaking now, Barry can you hear him, Barry what you say now.)
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To: spacejunkie01

That’s what I thought too!


53 posted on 04/30/2008 3:34:06 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Biblebelter

This is when I question my own Christian beliefs that a man can utter an I’m sorry and get eternity in heaven.


54 posted on 04/30/2008 3:35:02 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: PROCON

“And this animal can only get 15 years?”

This is Europe. Murderers get only five or ten years.

What this guy did should be a capital offense.


55 posted on 04/30/2008 3:45:35 PM PDT by Aglooka
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To: Southerngl
This is when I question my own Christian beliefs that a man can utter an I’m sorry and get eternity in heaven.

You misunderstand. No words, no utterance will get anyone to Heaven. It is that which is in our heart that will determine our eternal disposition. I do believe there will be murderers in Heaven, that is the greatness of our Father. He is capable of a Forgiveness which is unfathomable to those of us who are his creations. But I can say with as much certainty as I am capable of, that the monster who is the main character in this story will have no words nor change of heart that can keep him from the Eternal residence known here in the temporal as HELL.

56 posted on 04/30/2008 3:46:24 PM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, your Uncle Jeremiah is speaking now, Barry can you hear him, Barry what you say now.)
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I wonder what kind of physical problems from the inbreeding as well.

The odds of birth defects in a child resulting from sex between two people with identical genes (brother/sister) is about 50%. The determination of whether the child will be normal or a monster is literally a coin flip. The odds actually go down quite a bit when you're talking about father/daughter, because the daughter only shares half of the fathers genes. On average, 1 in 4 children from father/daughter incest will have some kind of noticeable birth defect. Obviously, these numbers compound if you do it generation after generation.

I'm assuming that the dead baby was the result of birth defects, so with six additional children the odds are decent that at least one or two will have some sort of physical disability. It's also possible that, with only a 25% chance of deformity per birth, the remainder got lucky. There's no way for us to know right now.

No, I'm not a pervert, I just watch too much TV.
57 posted on 04/30/2008 3:49:00 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: KansasGirl
I’ve completely missed this story? I gather, some man imprisoned the mother from the age of 18 and she had children while in captivity?

Not some man, her own father. She had 7 children by him in that dungeon.

58 posted on 04/30/2008 3:55:02 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: PROCON

There aren’t even words for this level of depravity and evil. Only a just and righteous God can serve up the appropriate penalty for a sick, twisted, demonic piece of human offal like this S.O.B. Reading this story made me physically ill, and that takes some doing.


59 posted on 04/30/2008 4:00:54 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: tioga

Oh sweet mercy. May the Lord keep and bless the mother and the childre, I can’t say what I want to happen to the monster that sired them all.


60 posted on 04/30/2008 4:45:53 PM PDT by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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