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Dungeon children speak in animal language (Heartbreaking)
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | April 30, 2008 | Nick Allen in Amstetten

Posted on 04/30/2008 2:41:19 PM PDT by PROCON

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To: vladimir998

Apparently so since the tenant in the building ignored the knocking and seeing the man wheelbarrow food to the back of the house for 14 years.


51 posted on 04/30/2008 3:32:52 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: PROCON

One has to take the Christian view here. Pray for this mother and these children. They have been resurrected. They can see light, they can breath, THEY ARE FREE. The monster that imprisoned them is a DEAD man, he always was. When he no longer resides in this life, he will have eternal life in a place prepared for him called HELL. God did not bring this mother and her children up from their torture and their hell to experience more of the same. Good will come to they that have suffered at the hands of this Satanic monster.


52 posted on 04/30/2008 3:33:32 PM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, your Uncle Jeremiah is speaking now, Barry can you hear him, Barry what you say now.)
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To: spacejunkie01

That’s what I thought too!


53 posted on 04/30/2008 3:34:06 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Biblebelter

This is when I question my own Christian beliefs that a man can utter an I’m sorry and get eternity in heaven.


54 posted on 04/30/2008 3:35:02 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: PROCON

“And this animal can only get 15 years?”

This is Europe. Murderers get only five or ten years.

What this guy did should be a capital offense.


55 posted on 04/30/2008 3:45:35 PM PDT by Aglooka
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To: Southerngl
This is when I question my own Christian beliefs that a man can utter an I’m sorry and get eternity in heaven.

You misunderstand. No words, no utterance will get anyone to Heaven. It is that which is in our heart that will determine our eternal disposition. I do believe there will be murderers in Heaven, that is the greatness of our Father. He is capable of a Forgiveness which is unfathomable to those of us who are his creations. But I can say with as much certainty as I am capable of, that the monster who is the main character in this story will have no words nor change of heart that can keep him from the Eternal residence known here in the temporal as HELL.

56 posted on 04/30/2008 3:46:24 PM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, your Uncle Jeremiah is speaking now, Barry can you hear him, Barry what you say now.)
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To: Southerngl
I wonder what kind of physical problems from the inbreeding as well.

The odds of birth defects in a child resulting from sex between two people with identical genes (brother/sister) is about 50%. The determination of whether the child will be normal or a monster is literally a coin flip. The odds actually go down quite a bit when you're talking about father/daughter, because the daughter only shares half of the fathers genes. On average, 1 in 4 children from father/daughter incest will have some kind of noticeable birth defect. Obviously, these numbers compound if you do it generation after generation.

I'm assuming that the dead baby was the result of birth defects, so with six additional children the odds are decent that at least one or two will have some sort of physical disability. It's also possible that, with only a 25% chance of deformity per birth, the remainder got lucky. There's no way for us to know right now.

No, I'm not a pervert, I just watch too much TV.
57 posted on 04/30/2008 3:49:00 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: KansasGirl
I’ve completely missed this story? I gather, some man imprisoned the mother from the age of 18 and she had children while in captivity?

Not some man, her own father. She had 7 children by him in that dungeon.

58 posted on 04/30/2008 3:55:02 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: PROCON

There aren’t even words for this level of depravity and evil. Only a just and righteous God can serve up the appropriate penalty for a sick, twisted, demonic piece of human offal like this S.O.B. Reading this story made me physically ill, and that takes some doing.


59 posted on 04/30/2008 4:00:54 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: tioga

Oh sweet mercy. May the Lord keep and bless the mother and the childre, I can’t say what I want to happen to the monster that sired them all.


60 posted on 04/30/2008 4:45:53 PM PDT by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: July 4th
The risk of genetic problems from incest is actually far lower than one would expectYeah especially Parent-child incest one time.

I inbred my best sheep for one generation and then bred as far away as I could from their genetics for the next generation. In animal husbandry inbreeding can give you two copies of good genes (making the animal"pre-potent" - more likely to have off-spring with a desired phenotype, and can also help you identify bad traits and animal might have so you can intentionally breed away from it or discuss it with customers. For example if one line had a recessive tendency to overbite (parrot-mouth) I would make sure the buyer didn't have over-byte already going on in his flock.

But in any event, unless there are already genetic problems, inbreeding isn't likely to make a problem for one generation.

Nevertheless, this guy needs to be in jail for the rest of his life. What a wussy country if all he can get is 15 years!

61 posted on 04/30/2008 5:49:11 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; July 4th
I was just going to say, breeding cats I sometimes "line bred" -- i.e. up and down the pedigree, but never "inbred" -- across the pedigree.

My best results were from grandsire-granddaughter matings, got my Champion from breeding a solid but not particularly great female cat back to her triple-champion grandsire.

Since I've just started with dogs, I'm looking for open pedigrees (no line or in breeding) and working from there.

62 posted on 04/30/2008 7:20:06 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: PROCON

Then we have the Dad who buys his kid a Lemonade at the ball game unknowingly that it was 5% liquor and kid is removed from his home for a week.

I threw my hands up a while back on the zero tolerance nonsense and stupity of those hold a pinch of power over the rest of us.


63 posted on 04/30/2008 10:13:54 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Limited exposure to objects in life may have not required much speech.

Another thought not being able to physically experience things like sun, drive, wind left no need for verbalizing.


64 posted on 04/30/2008 10:23:26 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: Southerngl

“This is when I question my own Christian beliefs that a man can utter an I’m sorry and get eternity in heaven.”

I was thinking a similar thought! And yes, I believe that if he truly repents and believes in Jesus he can be saved. And as un-Christian as it is, I hope that he dies before that happens. (Man, that’s a terrible thing to say, but...)


65 posted on 04/30/2008 10:39:19 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: Bon mots; nmh; spacejunkie01; PROCON; Southerngl; maine-iac7; MeanWestTexan

That is HORRIBLE. They ought to just shoot the SOB, no further questions.


66 posted on 05/01/2008 5:40:33 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Mad Dawg

“Nevertheless, this guy needs to be in jail for the rest of his life.”

Hopefully with very big and mean cell mate who will make him his own personal object of interest.


67 posted on 05/01/2008 5:43:16 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl
They ought to just shoot the SOB, no further questions.

I disagree.

Shooting's too quick - too good for him.

I vote for a 6 x 6 windowless cell, no human contact, never see daylight again = for life.

I read that the max sentence he can get there is 15 years! Unreal. It should at least be 15 for each person he tortured - that would insure he never walk among human beings again - why should he? He's not human.

68 posted on 05/01/2008 7:17:45 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: 21twelve

Well, God is going to have to work on my heart hard for me to want to spend an eternity with this man’s soul.


69 posted on 05/01/2008 10:29:20 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Ingtar

Oh brother, that is just a stupid post.


70 posted on 05/01/2008 10:55:08 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: spacejunkie01

lack of Vitamin D


71 posted on 05/01/2008 1:36:48 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: vladimir998
And what would have happened if he had died? Would his daughter and those poor kids have starved to death in their prison, their plight unknown to the world?

That's the thought that has given me chills, over and over.

72 posted on 05/06/2008 5:33:32 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: JJR RNCH

I don’t think the word “strange” is even close. This is just horrific and tragic and I read another article today wherein the father said he is “not a monster” because he could have “killed them all” and “nobody would have ever known.”

I always love how monsters like to define the definition of the word monster, so I suppose the word monster, if properly defined would be:

Monster: Noun. Something a monster says he is not.


73 posted on 05/07/2008 11:24:25 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I wondered the same thing as you. I’m thinking it might have something to do with the lack of air. I read that the investigators could only work in the cellar for an hour at a time because of the lack of air, so perhaps they did have a lack of oxygen.

Only time and many, many medical examinations will really tell the truth. The sad thing for these poor children is that they were captive for years by their monster “father” and now they will be captive to all the academics and scientists who will want to study them.


74 posted on 05/07/2008 11:26:37 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Biblebelter

I think you hit on the really important thing about the eternal justice for these people. I always wonder how people don’t ever think about God and his power. The Bible tells us not to be afraid of death because it can only come once, yet the eternal fires of hell burn forever where one can only scream and cry for death to come but it never will. These poor souls lived in captivity for years but this guy will live in captivity for eternity where the worm does not die. I shudder at even the thought


75 posted on 05/07/2008 11:32:31 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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