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Absinthe Uncorked: The 'Green Fairy' Was Boozy -- But Not Psychedelic
Science Daily ^ | 5-1-2008 | American Chemical Society

Posted on 04/30/2008 3:45:26 PM PDT by blam

Absinthe Uncorked: The 'Green Fairy' Was Boozy -- But Not Psychedelic

ScienceDaily (May 1, 2008) — A new study may end the century-old controversy over what ingredient in absinthe caused the exotic green aperitif's supposed mind-altering effects and toxic side-effects when consumed to excess. In the most comprehensive analysis of old bottles of original absinthe -- once quaffed by the likes of van Gogh, Degas, Toulouse-Lautrec and Picasso to enhance their creativity -- a team of scientists from Europe and the United States have concluded the culprit was plain and simple: A high alcohol content, rather than thujone, the compound widely believed responsible for absinthe's effects. Although consumed diluted with water, absinthe contained about 70 percent alcohol, giving it a 140-proof wallop. Most gin, vodka, and whiskey are 80 -- 100-proof and contain 40-50 percent alcohol or ethanol.

Absinthe took on legendary status in late 19th-Century Paris among bohemian artists and writers. They believed it expanded consciousness with psychedelic effects and called it "the Green Fairy" and "the Green Muse." The drink's popularity spread through Europe and to the United States. However, illness and violent episodes among drinkers gave absinthe the reputation as a dangerous drug, and it was banned in Europe and elsewhere.

In the new study, Dirk W. Lachenmeier and colleagues point out that scientists know very little about the composition of the original absinthe produced in France before that country banned the drink in 1915. Only a single study had analyzed one sample of preban absinthe. The researchers analyzed 13 samples of preban absinthe from sealed bottles -- "the first time that such a wide ranging analysis of absinthe from the preban era has been attempted," they say.

The analysis included thujone, widely regarded as the "active" ingredient in absinthe. "It is certainly at the root of absinthe's reputation as being more drug than drink," according to Lachenmeier. Thujone was blamed for "absinthe madness" and "absinthism," a collection of symptoms including hallucinations, facial contractions, numbness, and dementia.

However, the study found relatively small concentrations of thujone, amounts less than previously estimated and not sufficient to explain absinthism. Thujone levels in preban absinthe actually were about the same as those in modern absinthe, produced since 1988, when the European Union (EU) lifted its ban on absinthe production. Laboratory tests found no other compound that could explain absinthe's effects. "All things considered, nothing besides ethanol was found in the absinthes that was able to explain the syndrome of absinthism," according to Lachenmeier.

He says that scientific data cannot explain preban absinthe's reputation as a psychedelic substance. Recent historical research on absinthism concluded that the condition probably was alcoholism, Lachenmeier indicates.

"Today it seems a substantial minority of consumers want these myths to be true, even if there is no empirical evidence that they are," says Lachenmeier. "It is hoped that this paper will go some way to refute at least the first of these myths, conclusively demonstrating that the thujone content of a representative selection of preban absinthe... fell within the modern EU limit."

The study "Chemical Composition of vintage Preban Absinthe with Special Reference to Thujone, Fenchone, Pinocamphone, Methanol, Copper, and Antimony Concentrations" is scheduled for the May 14, 2008 issue of the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.

Adapted from materials provided by American Chemical Society, via EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS


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KEYWORDS: absinthe; boozy; fairy; psychedelic
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1 posted on 04/30/2008 3:45:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Absinthe was banned because it took market share from wine.


2 posted on 04/30/2008 3:47:30 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: blam

As a friend used to say, “Absinth makes the heart grow fonder.”


3 posted on 04/30/2008 3:53:53 PM PDT by Grut
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To: blam


4 posted on 04/30/2008 3:54:38 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Grut

Boooooooooo,Hisss.........


5 posted on 04/30/2008 3:55:59 PM PDT by cmsgop (I can't believe my wife downloaded "Philadelphia Freedom"on my iPod........)
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To: blam

I have a couple friends say this stuff works. I been trying to get some from overseas thru a friend so i can try it. Any freepers have experience with this stuff?


6 posted on 04/30/2008 3:57:51 PM PDT by Huck (Watching the DEMs come down the stretch is like watching the Mets come down the stretch!)
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To: blam
However, illness and violent episodes among drinkers gave absinthe the reputation as a dangerous drug, and it was banned in Europe and elsewhere.

Funny, you can purchase absinthe in Europe, but not in the United States. I wonder what else the writer gets incorrect.

7 posted on 04/30/2008 3:59:33 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

If you finish reading the article, you’d know that it was reinstated for sale in Europe recently.

I’ve had it, and it’s just plain old booze.


8 posted on 04/30/2008 4:03:28 PM PDT by j-damn
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To: j-damn

1988 is “recently?”


9 posted on 04/30/2008 4:07:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: blam

They likely had other substances available then and absinthe was merely one of them.


10 posted on 04/30/2008 4:07:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: blam
Chemical Composition of vintage Preban Absinthe with Special Reference to Thujone, Fenchone, Pinocamphone, Methanol, Copper, and Antimony Concentrations"
11 posted on 04/30/2008 4:07:50 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Grut
As a friend used to say, “Absinth makes the heart grow fonder.”

As my husband used to say during his traveling days, "Absence makes the fond grow harder."

12 posted on 04/30/2008 4:11:00 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Huck

It’s tasty, has an interesting buzz, kind of like mixing a very small amount of pot with a large quantity of booze. Worth trying once just to say you did it.


13 posted on 04/30/2008 4:11:12 PM PDT by discostu (down in the swamps with the gators and flamingos)
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To: blam

Go watch the No Reservations Paris episode. Bourdain began to hallucinate badly.


14 posted on 04/30/2008 4:13:41 PM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: blam
How relevant are the studies today of 100+ year old absinthe? Does anyone know the decomposition rate of thujone in the storage media or when exposed to high levels of alcohol?
15 posted on 04/30/2008 4:14:48 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: blam

Absinthe was originally the drink of the lower classes because it was a cheap high - you got more bang for your buck. The Paris bohemians took it up for the same reason. Arch-eccentric Alfred Jarry made absinthe his intoxicant of choice, but then graduated to ether which packed an even harder wallop. He died young, bien sur.


16 posted on 04/30/2008 4:16:00 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: blam

If you instead brew the herb in hot water, would that lead to drinkers suffering absinthteaism?


17 posted on 04/30/2008 4:19:03 PM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: 1rudeboy

google absinthe before saying u.s. sale is illegal or not available.


18 posted on 04/30/2008 4:19:47 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Huck

I have drunk it (brought some back from New Zealand, where it is legal). I like the stuff, but it doesn’t like me...gives me heartburn. Very tasty, though, in a medicinal sort of way.


19 posted on 04/30/2008 4:24:46 PM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: count-your-change
Sorry, I have. And I know the law. Has it prevented me from getting it? No.

Serious drinkers respond to me beyond this point only.

20 posted on 04/30/2008 4:24:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: count-your-change

Beat me to it. I haven’t double-checked, but I think it came back on the US market in Nov 2007.


21 posted on 04/30/2008 4:25:10 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: blam

so it was all standard alcohol poisoning? Drink alcohol to enough excess and all kinds of bad things will happen, no matter what beverage conveys it....


22 posted on 04/30/2008 4:27:47 PM PDT by Enchante (Obama: My 1930s Foreign Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Social Policy!)
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To: blam

I’m with the skeptics when it comes to this article. At least in this country where cocaine was part of coca-cola, and opiates were routinely added to various “patent medicines” (for example I like the portrayal of Laudanum use in the movie Tombstone), pharmacoactive substances were the rule rather than the exception pre Food and Drug Act of 1915 or so. In fact that was one of the main forces behind enacting that law. I would think France would have been just as much the case. Whose to say what ended up in any particular bottle? And as other posters say whose to say how long that stuff hangs around mixed with alcohol.

But furthermore look at the artistic output of the people who used. Those guys were on more than just booze IMHO. No one can convince me otherwise. And the contemperaneous descriptions of the users don’t resemble just alcoholics, and drunkenness as well as drug use was well understood back then.

Trivia - I only recently learned that the common drink Pernod has always been kind the non-absinthe Absinthe and that the company Pernod et Fils were the major Absinthe producers way back when.

Interesting stuff.


23 posted on 04/30/2008 4:29:02 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 1rudeboy

“Serious drinkers respond to me beyond this point only. “

You, sir, are one rude boy.


24 posted on 04/30/2008 4:33:24 PM PDT by pdunkin (I feel more like I do now than I did this morning.)
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To: pdunkin

Don’t mess with me when I’m sober.


25 posted on 04/30/2008 4:34:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Enchante
"The Book of Absinthe: a cultural history" by Phil Baker (copyright 2001) opens with a gruesome murder. A fellow in Switzerland killed his entire family in cold blood. He was a known alcoholic. On the day of the murders he had consumed:

Two absinthes before work
creme de menthe
cognac
six glasses of wine at lunch
a glass of wine at work
coffee with brandy
a litre of wine on his arrival at home
another coffee with brandy

Then he butchered his wife and children. Obviously absinthe was a terribly dangerous drink. This was in 1905. The drink was banned in Switzerland a year later.

Just as now, public opinion can be swayed in any direction by people who want to get policy changed. The wine industry had been damaged by a parasitic fly a few decades before and absinthe had enlarged its market share. The European vineyards had recovered, and the wine industry wanted to recapture its broader customer base. Voila! Absinthe drives men mad.

26 posted on 04/30/2008 4:43:22 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy; 1rudeboy; Huck

Absinthe is legal again. I saw it on the shelf at the local liquor supermarket.

One French brand, “Lucid” at $70. claims original formula.

One American brand, “St. Georges” at $60. Uses Star Wormwood not the absinthe type, so not original recipe.

One brand I don’t remember. also $60


27 posted on 04/30/2008 4:43:35 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Huck
Back in my early Navy days (19-20 yrs old), I consumed this stuff while on Liberty in Yokosuska, Japan. Yes, it does open the mind and increase one's perceived invinsibility - both in love and toughness.

Then...I got busted, literally, trying to bring a couple bottles back aboard ship under my Pea Coat. The OD at top of the gangway suspected something, asked me to raise my arms, and then with a nightstick, popped me under my armpits on my upper sides and broke both bottles.

Got a Captains' Mast, some extra duty, and no liberty during the rest of time in Yokohama.

28 posted on 04/30/2008 4:44:51 PM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: ClearCase_guy

another coffee with brandy

!! So it was the brandy that did it!! Ban Brandy Now!!

no, wait, let’s ban coffee......


29 posted on 04/30/2008 4:46:21 PM PDT by Enchante (Obama: My 1930s Foreign Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Social Policy!)
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To: blam
The best video on YouTube showing is how absinthe is louched.

The video linked above, of a Jade "PF 1901", has been reviewed as being the closest modern absinthe to original well-preserved bottles.

Learn all you would like to know at: Wormwood Society

30 posted on 04/30/2008 4:47:21 PM PDT by Squeako (Obama because he's black, Clinton because she's a woman, McCain because he's a Vet/POW. No thanks.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Still at Amazon. Paul Verlaine, what a wasted life. “I take sugar with it!”

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31 posted on 04/30/2008 4:47:55 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Grut; cmsgop
Absinthe makes the mind go yonder!

Of course, anything that's 140 proof will tend to do that. ;-)

32 posted on 04/30/2008 4:49:12 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’ve never been much of a drinker, just don’t like the feeling of inebriation or losing my sober intellect so one or two of beer or wine is my usual limit — but on the rare rare occasion (maybe 4-5 times in 30+ years, I’m now 48) that I’ve had 8+ drinks all I want to do is lie down in a dark quiet place and go to sleep. That’s it.

So I’m certain that alcohol affects different brains in very very different ways because my own experience is that I have no desire (or ability) to do any of the wild things some people do when drunk. Just let me sleep it off, thank you.


33 posted on 04/30/2008 4:52:38 PM PDT by Enchante (Obama: My 1930s Foreign Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Social Policy!)
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To: blam
Chemical Composition of Vintage Preban Absinthe with Special Reference to
Thujone, Fenchone, Pinocamphone, Methanol, Copper, and Antimony Concentrations

http://www.thujone.info/thujone-absinthe-39

34 posted on 04/30/2008 4:53:32 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Last week, St. George Spirits of Alameda received the news that, after seven applications, the federal agency had approved its label, the final obstacle before going to market. On Monday, the small artisan distillery sold its token first bottle, becoming the only American company since 1912 to sell absinthe in the United States. Then the staff took a moment to celebrate.
FROM GOOGLE. SORRY YOU HAVEN’T. DEC 5,2007


35 posted on 04/30/2008 4:57:21 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: blam; 1rudeboy
Apparently it’s available in at least one bar in Baltimore - That’s Baltimore Maryland, USA.

Shari Elliker Test Drive - Absinthe the Green Fairy

And apparently either Shari can't hold her liquor or that that stuff packs quite a punch.
36 posted on 04/30/2008 4:58:00 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: blam

I’ve never understood the belief that creativity based on intoxication has value. It’s just cheating.


37 posted on 04/30/2008 5:01:26 PM PDT by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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To: blam; All

cool. A virtual Absinthe museum:

http://www.oxygenee.com/absinthe.html


38 posted on 04/30/2008 5:04:49 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Huck
Any freepers have experience with this stuff?

I do. I have tried several brands.

No mind-altering experiences. It's just like any other alcoholic beverage....drink enough, you get sh*tfaced.

Currently, there are three brands approved for sale here in the States:

Lucid (France)
Kübler 53 (Suisse) and
St. George Absinthe Verte (U.S.)

And you can buy 'em online here.

Other brands should be approved in the coming months. Among them are Absinthe Marteau Classique (currently from Switzerland but will be made domestically) and Taboo (B.C.). Both of which I highly recommend. Excellent resources on absinthe can be found at The Wormwood Society

39 posted on 04/30/2008 5:09:05 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: count-your-change
Oh gosh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you found one producer who won a license to sell in the U.S. when it is sold in nearly every liquor store in the EU.
40 posted on 04/30/2008 5:10:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: blam

Why all this hullabaloo. Absinth is nothing more than a biofuel.


41 posted on 04/30/2008 5:13:26 PM PDT by 353FMG (Don't make the mistake to think that Government is a Friend of the People)
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To: donna

Absinthe is the aphrodisiac of the self. The green fairy who lives in the absinthe wants your soul.


42 posted on 04/30/2008 5:15:09 PM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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To: blam

“Choose your poison.”


43 posted on 04/30/2008 5:15:37 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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To: dynachrome
Uses Star Wormwood not the absinthe type, so not original recipe.

Correction: Star "anise". An origional ingredient.
It also has the prerequisite Grand Wormwood.

The other brand you are thinking of is Kübler 53.

44 posted on 04/30/2008 5:21:32 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: 1rudeboy

You said had checked and knew the law. Guess you didn’t and don’t.


45 posted on 04/30/2008 5:27:52 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: uglybiker

You are correct. Good thing I ain’t drinking it!


46 posted on 04/30/2008 5:31:33 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: count-your-change

Aw, shucks . . . I suppose all those liquor stores that I visit in Chicago that don’t stock absinthe (and haven’t since late 2007) don’t exist. A FReeper expert tells me that they do stock absinthe.


47 posted on 04/30/2008 5:31:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Because he knows how to use Google . . . LOL.


48 posted on 04/30/2008 5:32:53 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Well, it won’t be as fun now that it is legal.


49 posted on 04/30/2008 5:39:19 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Huck

Fun stuff....just for special occasions thou.

Ya gotta do the sugar cube too.....


50 posted on 04/30/2008 5:43:15 PM PDT by glasseye
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