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Sect boys may have been abused by older boys
MySA.com ^ | 5/1/08 | Terri Langford and Lisa Sandberg

Posted on 05/01/2008 10:47:42 AM PDT by Politicalmom

State authorities are investigating whether younger boys taken from a polygamist ranch in West Texas were sexually abused by older boys, not adults, a state official said today.

Documents taken from the Yearning for Zion Ranch near Eldorado indicate that younger boys were molested by older boys at the ranch, the official, who asked not to be identified, told the Houston Chronicle.

No other details about the abuse were available.

On Wednesday, Texas Department of Family and Protective Services Commissioner Carey Cockerell revealed to a Senate panel that at least 41 of the 464 children in state custody had previously broken or fractured bones.

``Several of these fractures have been found in very young children and several had multiple fractures,'' he said.

Most of the information about the fractures was reported to DFPS' Texas Child Protective Services by the children or their mothers. Few X-rays have been done on the children, agency officials said.

But Cockerell also told the Senate Health and Human Services Committee that the agency is looking into the possible sexual abuse of some boys, based on interviews and journal entries.

In addition, he informed the panel of several hurdles CPS workers faced in trying to identify the children and determine their health status.

He said both women and children removed plastic identity bracelets issued to them or rubbed the wording off of them. CPS had tried to use the bracelets to help workers keep track of children.

Also, FLDS women initially refused to let the children undergo basic health screenings and many of the teen girls refused to take pregnancy tests. The women and older children often monitored younger children, telling them not to speak to CPS workers or coaching them on what to say, Cockerell said.

For the past month, child welfare investigators had focused nearly all of their attention on the alleged sexual abuse of young girls who once resided with their parents at the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints' ranch.

Until now, officials have alluded only occasionally to suspected physical abuse. The breakaway Mormon sect practices polygamy and its spiritual leader, Warren Jeffs, is serving a prison sentence after being convicted of being an accomplice to rape of an underage girl.

No other details were available about the possible abuse of the boys or how many of the fractures, which affect less than 10 percent of the total child population from the sect, can be attributed to their life on a big ranch with a large amount of construction and farm equipment.

FLDS spokesman Rod Parker called Cockerell's testimony "a deliberate effort to mislead the public."

Parker said any broken bones would have been treated in medical facilities away from the ranch and that doctors are required to report suspected abuse.

It was not clear how many of the children might have been injured while playing or working on the 1,700-acre ranch they once called home.

Lloyd Barlow, the ranch's onsite physician, said he was caring for a number of FLDS children with broken or fractured bones at the time they were removed from the ranch.

"Probably over 90 percent of the injuries are forearm fractures from ground-level or low level falls," Barlow told the Associated Press. "I can also tell you that we don't live in a community where there is a pattern of abuse."

Dr. Emalee Flaherty, a pediatrician in Chicago who specializes in child abuse, cautioned against jumping to conclusions that the children's broken bones were caused by abuse.

There might be many variables, she said, such as a high incidence of bone disease or a special diet that causes a vitamin deficiency that predisposes the group's children to brittle bones.

"This is a pretty closed community," Flaherty said, adding that life on a ranch might also expose children to injuries.

Dr. Bruce Perry, a Houston child psychiatrist and child abuse expert, said the type of fracture also is important.

"There are certain characteristics of fractures that go with abuse," Perry said. "It would be really important to know what bone was fractured and the type of fracture."

The state's April 3 raid on the YFZ Ranch has been criticized by some who believe CPS overstepped its authority when it took all of the children and placed them in foster care after finding underage girls were "spiritually married" to much older men.

CPS officials counter that they found at least one underage girl who was pregnant or had children in each of the sect's 19 homes on the ranch when they first arrived on April 3.

The agency clarified that number on Monday, saying at least 31 of the 53 girls ages 14 to 17 are pregnant, have children or both. Another child was born to a teen mother on Tuesday.

All of the children have been placed in group homes and shelters around the state until the investigation is completed.

For CPS, determining ages has been one of the biggest challenges. The agency reached the 53 total after reclassifying 26 girls, who had said they were older than 18, as younger than 18.

Stephanie Goodman, spokeswoman for the state's Health and Human Services Department, said those girls had told officials they were younger than 18.

"For most of these children, we've been given different ages and different names," Goodman said. "We have teenagers who can't tell us their birthdates. Some have answered (that) they don't know. Others have said, 'I'm not supposed to tell you.' "

Under Texas law, children under age 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but none of the sect's girls is believed to have had a legal marriage under state law. Also Wednesday, legal aid attorneys for some of the mothers filed an amended petition with the Third Court of Appeals in Austin, seeking the return of the children sent to residential foster care homes across the state.

"The wholesale removal of (the children) from their mothers was not justified," the petition read in part.

The department may have introduced evidence that some girls were being physically abused, but such evidence did not "pertain to the overwhelming majority of the children ... nor did it establish that each child was at risk of physical danger."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: childabuse; flds; mormonbashing
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To: Politicalmom
younger boys ... were sexually abused by older boys,

I guess that what happens when the older boys have all of their girls get taken by 50 year old men...

21 posted on 05/01/2008 12:18:12 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Politicalmom

You hope.


22 posted on 05/01/2008 12:19:22 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Politicalmom

“No other details were available about the possible abuse of the boys or how many of the fractures, which affect less than 10 percent of the total child population from the sect, can be attributed to their life on a big ranch with a large amount of construction and farm equipment.”


Maybe ‘very young children’ shouldn’t be operating large construction and farm equipment.


23 posted on 05/01/2008 12:25:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Politicalmom

“There might be many variables, she said, such as a high incidence of bone disease or a special diet that causes a vitamin deficiency that predisposes the group’s children to brittle bones.”

Or because of the consequences of inbreeding.


24 posted on 05/01/2008 12:28:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Politicalmom

(Thanks for posting this article!)

“”Probably over 90 percent of the injuries are forearm fractures from ground-level or low level falls,” Barlow told the Associated Press.”

Probably? what was the type of injury in the other 10%?


25 posted on 05/01/2008 12:30:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Politicalmom

“Parker said any broken bones would have been treated in medical facilities away from the ranch and that doctors are required to report suspected abuse.”

So, obviously there will be medical records at those OUTSIDE medical facilities matching each case of broken bones.

Right, Mr. Parker?


26 posted on 05/01/2008 12:32:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Politicalmom

“Lloyd Barlow, the ranch’s onsite physician, said he was caring for a number of FLDS children with broken or fractured bones at the time they were removed from the ranch.”

But....Mr. Parker just stated that broken bone injuries were treated at OUTSIDE facilities.


27 posted on 05/01/2008 12:33:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Saundra Duffy; Politicalmom

You owe PM and apology and should ask that your comment be removed. If you don’t, I will.


28 posted on 05/01/2008 12:33:46 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Politicalmom

“... nor did it establish that each child was at risk of physical danger.””

YOUR HONOR, we have already argued this point on FR, come to a conclusion, and set a precedent.

Without being able to identify WHO was the danger, yet, ALL the children were subject to further abuse, because we haven’t got the bad guy yet, and they all lived together.


29 posted on 05/01/2008 12:37:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: Politicalmom
Yearning For Zion, indeed!!!


  Here is the creed of the LDS Organization; based in Salt Lake City.
 
Check out #10...
 


 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

 

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 


 
Definitions of creed:
 
 

30 posted on 05/01/2008 12:38:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nmh

I didn’t want to bring the subject up, because it’s another ‘land-mined’ issue.

I did mention it a few days back.

Once the dust settles, I think we (the public) might be in for a real shock.


31 posted on 05/01/2008 12:39:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: dblshot
Well if all the girls are taken by old men what are the boys supposed to do?

Boys will be boys!

32 posted on 05/01/2008 12:39:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: r9etb

“And thus their outlet would have been ... other boys. “

The FLDS should have put more Sheep on the ranch.


33 posted on 05/01/2008 12:41:27 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: SENTINEL
I’m getting kind of sick of the MSM labeling the FLDS as a “breakaway sect”. they are the ones who stayed true to Joe Smith’s and Brigham Young’s teachings, the LDS broke away.

'I didn't leave the Democratic party,
the Democratic party left me'

--Ronald Reagan

34 posted on 05/01/2008 12:41:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
I am and there is no such teaching. Typical anti-mormonisim.

HMmmm...

Looks like you've gotten 5 too many caractors in yer staement" 'a', 'n', 't', 'i' and '-'

35 posted on 05/01/2008 12:44:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: UCANSEE2

Oh,.....wait a minute.

The women and children WERE THE SHEEP.


36 posted on 05/01/2008 12:45:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: SENTINEL
They are damned by their own words.

What kind of a MORMON can read this crap and actually STAY a MORMON??

37 posted on 05/01/2008 12:45:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
You hope.

?

38 posted on 05/01/2008 12:47:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bonfire
You owe PM and apology and should ask that your comment be removed. If you don’t, I will.

But WHY???

LEAVE it to SHOW the mindset!

I, for one, am tired of the SANITIZING of the MORMON 'record'!!

39 posted on 05/01/2008 12:48:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MEGoody

Gee, if I wrote that many paragraphs about your church, with all the allegations contained therein, with no citations, what would you think.

I think it is an attempt to smear the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints by mormon haters. Same old crap, think up some lies and post it as truth.

Are the people who are Bishops in our Church perfect? Of course not. Are we evil sponsors of child abuse? Not on your life.

Give up.


40 posted on 05/01/2008 12:50:31 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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