Now look at him.
Posted on 05/01/2008 10:13:01 PM PDT by pissant
WASHINGTON, May 1 (UPI) -- Nelson Mandela, South Africa's Nobel Prize-winning symbol of hope for leading the fight against apartheid, is reported still on U.S. terrorist watch lists.
His inclusion means Mandela must have special permission to enter the United States, USA Today said Thursday.
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice calls it "embarrassing" and some members of Congress vow to fix it, hopefully by Mandela's 90th birthday on July 18.
The same entry requirements apply to other members of South Africa's governing African National Congress, the once-banned anti-apartheid organization.
In the 1970s and '80s the ANC was officially branded a terrorist group by the ruling white minority government.
Can someone post who's "friends" list he's on?
Is he still alive?
Hugo Chavez’, Jeremiah Wright’s, Fidel’s, etc etc
I guess so. Fortunately, he’s been mostly quiet lately. Carter should learn from him.
Yep. Still alive, and he’s doing a promo with CBS on CBS Cares in regards to HIV.
How is it that these political miscreants seem to live forever (Castro, Mandela, Kim Jong-il, Carter, et al)? I guess, the more despicable you are the longer you live? May my life be short. ;-)
Now look at him.
Mandela is still a lousy commie and South Africa is a barbarous place for all. Much worse than under apartheid. South Africa has gold and diamond mines..... Without them they would be a Zimbabwe
How soon before the ChiComs are brought in like in Zimbabwe?
WOnder how Winnie is doing.
Let’s make a deal with the Democrats - we’ll take Mandela off the list and put Jimmy Carter onto the list!
Hell, I’d free all the Gitmo detainees if they would take Carter and Mandela instead.
What did/does Mandela DO exactly that gives his noteworthy praise?
The media love communists, that’s about it.
The ChiComms are already there...
How’s Stompie doing? Oh, he’s dead 14 years at hands of psycho Winnie’s “soccer team”. That was back when Winnie lived in a huge mansion in a destitute Black township (or whatever it was called)
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Winnie's approach to neighborliness, and her legacy.
Gotta get rid of them old tires somehow, I reckon.
The sad trajectory of a ‘culture’ that can devise the most ghoulish, ghastly and breathtakingly inhuman ways of killing each other, yet cannot produce even a bicycle on their own.
Your tagline doesn’t quite fit this thread what with Condi’s quote and all! But, I guess she figures “those days” are gone for the old coot. After all - he does wear a Nobel Peace prize around his neck. (A lot lighter than a steel-belted radial too!).
Mandela knew Winnie was stone bonkers and divorced her when he could
When she is in a position of setting American foreign policy, rather than implementing and negotiating it, she may have the luxury of being able to say different things and perhaps even speak her mind in an international political environment, but then again maybe not. She is of course fully aware that Mandela is a lousy commie but she is also fully aware that Mandela is mainly a symbol with mainly the power of emotion over others....and so she measures her words carefully as any good politician does and doesn't say things that are needlessly inflammatory when they would serve no tangible purpose.
Gotta give him that I suppose, although I think that it would be awfully hard for anybody to stay with someone with a bio like this:
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BBC News The Winnie Mandela Trial Profile of Winnie Mandela
| The following five years were increasingly controversial. In 1986 she made a speech in which she talked about achieving liberation from apartheid by using "necklaces" - a reference to the brutal murder of suspected collaborators by putting tyres round their necks and setting them alight. There was also the matter of an opulent £125,000 house built in one of the poorest areas in the country. The most serious allegations, however, stemmed from the activities of her personal bodyguards, the so-called Mandela United Football Club. Reports of their brutality were commonplace in Soweto and her house was attacked in 1988 by local people who had had enough. Mrs Mandela refused to curb the team's activities, however, and the following year came the decisive incident. A 14-year-old activist, Stompei Seipei Moketsi, was kidnapped by her guards and later found murdered. The ANC leadership declared that she was out of control but Nelson Mandela, in jail and in ill-health, refused to repudiate her.
Gradually, however, relations between them cooled and in 1991 Winnie Mandela was charged with the assault and kidnapping of Stompei. Initially convicted and given six years in jail, Mrs Mandela appealed and had the sentence reduced to a fine. The trial was notable for witnesses who failed to appear or whose testimony contradicted statements which they had given the police. One of the key planks of her defence was an alibi that she was being driven elsewhere at the time of the kidnap - after the trial the driver denied that the journey had taken place. In 1992 Nelson Mandela tired of his wife's political and personal excesses and announced that he and Winnie were to separate. They eventually divorced in 1996 on the grounds of her adultery. |
IMO, Mandella would still be rotting in jail if he had been pro Western. He was a terrorist, plain and simple. As I understand it he was arrested in a bomb making facility.
The liberal factions of the West glommed on to him due to their hatred of aparthied. If he was black, he had to be a great guy no matter what he had done in his life, to show he wasn’t.
He was no Gandhi. The left thinks he was.
This adulation for him is sad.
Love the photo! And yes - she does need to be the diplomat, as do they all. (Months ago I thought a Hunter/Condi ticket would be nice actually!) I wonder if she will find a place if McCain gets in - or if she’ll go pursue her other many interests?
Back to Mandela - it is mind-boggling to me when you mention his “power of emotion”. I never could understand how folks could like him so much, and take him as a man of peace, etc. In many respects like Obama. (”Well, forget about all the ugly people he has associated with in the past - he is for unity, and hope and change”).
Mandela told visitors to his prison cell that he was a Marxist.
When race is involved, Marxism is ignored.
I'm delighted :-)
(Months ago I thought a Hunter/Condi ticket would be nice actually!)
Such a ticket would energize Republicans, and keep them in power, for the next fifty years. I would not only have voted for them but I would have doorbelled, and anything else I could. It's hard to develop a similar level of enthusiasm for McCain.
I wonder if she will find a place if McCain gets in - or if she’ll go pursue her other many interests?
She again said last week that she wants to go back to academia. A terrible loss to our nation if she can't be convinced otherwise.
Back to Mandela - it is mind-boggling to me when you mention his “power of emotion”. I never could understand how folks could like him so much, and take him as a man of peace, etc. In many respects like Obama. (”Well, forget about all the ugly people he has associated with in the past - he is for unity, and hope and change”).
The left is all about emotion, feelings, intentions, and 'what might have been'....never about reality, unless of course the reality you're referring to is Stalin's oceans of blood, death and pain, in which case it's all justified by saying "well, you have to break some eggs in order to make an omelet".
Politics is the religion of the Left, and you'll have as much luck trying to get them to repudiate Mandela as you'll have trying to get an islamist to repudiate Allah....it's not going to happen..
“The left is all about emotion, feelings, intentions, and ‘what might have been’....never about reality, unless of course the reality you’re referring to is Stalin’s oceans of blood, death and pain, in which case it’s all justified by saying “well, you have to break some eggs in order to make an omelet”.
http://www.ukrainegenocide.org/history.cfm
UPI must be hiring Ivy Leaguers with degrees in Chomsky Studies to find reporters this ignorant.
The ANC was a terrorist organization. Many revolutionary organizations were/are. Nelson Mandela was caught making or setting bombs and was tried, convicted, and imprisoned for that, not for "activism." He languished in prison for so many years because the South Africans, who were trying to parole him, would not let him go unless he signed a pledge renouncing violence. This he refused to do, so he stayed in prison while the movement spun a mythology around him. Thus are legends created.
In fairness to Mandela, prison seems to have done him a lot of good. He came out a better man.
You’ll know he’s dead when the South African blacks exterminate the rest of the whites.
They don’t want to kill them off while he’s alive, they have too much invested in his international acclaim.
UH... No.
How do you figure? I am completely ashamed of her work over the last year or so in particular. I can't wait for her (and GW) to be out of office. Their coddling of terrorists and betrayal of Israel blows my mind.
Condi Rice is not all that different than Mandela, Obama or Mad Albright, Rice is just a better camouflaging her real designs...one day the Condi Rice worshipers will end up looking a lot like the Obama/Messiah ilk.
It’s almost a given that one must genuflect and pay respect to Nelson Mandela. I’ve seen many right wing people do so. To me Mandela gets as much respect as chaos. Mandela only brought more poverty crimes and chaos to South Africa. But of course he is universally hailed. That’s how sick it is
South Africa is a Mugabe ally. Killing and oppressing black people much worse than the former apartheid regime
In the sense that she would completely unhinge the Left, invigorate the Right and change the American political landscape forever. Is she perfect? No, but she would do far more good than bad and is a whole lot better than many (most) so-called Republicans on the playing field today. I'm not going to be one of those who refuses to support anyone unless they are 'the perfect candidate'....politics and people aren't quite that simple. Politics is about achieving and maintaining elected majorities who can further 'most' of the agenda that you want....."perfect" Conservative candidates aren't going to get elected to the highest office in the land too often (Duncan Hunter certainly made a fine showing this time around, didn't he?) and I don't see another Ronald Reagan on the landscape at the moment. I certainly don't enjoy these razor-thin election victories where a hardline Marxist or some utterly corrupt Socialist fool is pitted against a VERY squishy 'conservative' and the election's outcome comes within inches of taking America completely into the abyss.....and it all happens mainly due to the minority vote. This business of having 80% or more of the black vote always going to the Left has simply got to stop. Dr. Rice would make significant inroads into the minority vote as well as the women's vote and would knock the Left back on their heels in terms of so very many of their lying talking points that have kept women and blacks terrified of voting Republican for the past fifty-odd years.
It is a shame to see what has taken place in South Africe. But then you have to understand, that’s our fault too in this upside down world where right and wrong are now rendered meaningless.
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