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Confederate Flag In Pickup Prompts Battle At Fla. Company
local6 ^ | May 2, 2008

Posted on 05/02/2008 8:56:18 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- A Central Florida man's Confederate flag prompted a free-speech battle with his employer, who doesn't want it displayed on company property.

The flag is attached to Bobby Tillett's pickup truck, which he drives to work every day, WJXT reported. Because his employer has banned the flag from his parking lot, Tillett is forced to park far from his job.

"If I take it down, that means you know the politically correct people would have won, and that's wrong," Bobby Tillett said. "If you believe in something that strong (you) should have no problem whatsoever to fly it."

Tillett said the flag flap began when he showed up for work at BJ's Wholesale off Pritchard Road.

"Management confronts me and tells me, politely, if I would take my flag off my truck," Tillett said. "I said, 'No, I will not.'"

Tillett said his managers told him if he did not remove the flag, he couldn't park in the employee lot.

"I'm a firm believer it's not about winning or losing, it's about right and wrong," Tillett told WJXT's Dan Leveton.

So Tillett decided to park on public property about a half-mile away and walk to work.

He says it takes him about 10 minutes to walk to the job, but it's worth it.

"It's about heritage; it's about pride," Tillett said. "I don't look at it much different than the American flag. There's been a lot of blood spilled over that flag, too, and I love that flag, and I'll fly it 'till the day I die."

No one at BJ's would comment about the controversy, but they did issue a statement saying it is about the rights of other employees:

"Like all employers, we have guidelines of appropriate personal behavior and expression at work. While the policy does not identify any specific type of expression, it generally prohibits expression that is rude, abusive, hostile or intimidating. Under these guidelines, we asked this team member to not display the confederate flag in our parking lot. We are confident that we have struck the right balance for all of our team members and their work environment."

Tillett said none of his co-workers has told him they dislike the flag. He said most people support him and he plans to keep on flying his Confederate flag, even if it costs him the job.

"I'm standing by my guns ... or my flag," Tillett said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: confederate; crossofsaintandrew; dixie; dixielist; dunmoresproclamation; fl; flag; saintandrewscross; workplace
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The flag is attached to Bobby Tillett's pickup truck, which he drives to work every day, WJXT reported. Because his employer has banned the flag from his parking lot, Tillett is forced to park far from his job.

1 posted on 05/02/2008 8:56:18 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

I don’t see how this is a “free speech” issue. Private companies have always been free to restrict activities on their private property.


2 posted on 05/02/2008 8:58:16 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: stainlessbanner

I wonder if this company even realizes the can of worms it’s opened up.

Now every flag, bumper sticker, antenna topper, etc will be the subject of possible offense by someone.

I guess they have nothing better to do.


3 posted on 05/02/2008 9:00:53 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: pnh102

yikes...you read the Constitution ? that makes you a radical right wing conspirator.


4 posted on 05/02/2008 9:01:27 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: stainlessbanner

As a resident of Georgia, I have had a lot of time to think about this, and it makes me sad.

I’m sad for those who remember the ugly stain of racism that this flag represents, but I’m also sad for those who see it as a symbol of heritage and are angry that no one else can understand their specific cultural view of the flag.

The problem is that no one stood up for it during the years that it was tarnished by public demonstrations of racist, ignorant, propaganda. If a large group had stood up in the 50s, 60s, 70s,... and said, “This is not a racist symbol”, then I would say that this whole controversy is unfair. The sad truth is that not many people fought for its sanctity, while klansmen and skinheads made it their own.

It could have been a symbol of state’s rights and southern culture, but instead it has unfortunately turned into a hateful symbol of intolerance.


5 posted on 05/02/2008 9:03:36 AM PDT by dr.zaeus
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To: stainlessbanner

If you’re worried about how your company will be perceived, you probably shouldn’t name it “BJ’s, Wholesale”.


6 posted on 05/02/2008 9:04:08 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (There's more proof that Operation Chaos is working than there is proof that Global Warming is real.)
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To: stainlessbanner
Bobby Tillett said. "If you believe in something that strong (you) should have no problem whatsoever to fly it." - there is no problem, you just can't do it at work - you want to fly the flag on your pickup truck at work? get another job that allows such things.
7 posted on 05/02/2008 9:06:18 AM PDT by SF Republican
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bump


8 posted on 05/02/2008 9:07:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Question Liberal Authority
If you’re worried about how your company will be perceived, you probably shouldn’t name it “BJ’s, Wholesale”.

Post of the Day!

9 posted on 05/02/2008 9:08:15 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Slapshot68

NAACP bumper stickers offend me.


10 posted on 05/02/2008 9:09:00 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Carbon is the fifth most abundant element on the planet.)
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To: SF Republican

Exactly.


11 posted on 05/02/2008 9:09:49 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Bill Clinton: Life Member of the Liars' Club.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Let it furl on the way from the chicken farm to the job then pack it up go to work take BJ’S $$$ get back in the truck un pack ole glory, furl it and head home.. Sorry Bobbie T but you may be shopping for a new job shortly.


12 posted on 05/02/2008 9:10:23 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Question Liberal Authority

My first thought...

LOL...


13 posted on 05/02/2008 9:10:45 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Rebelbase

Then dont allow them at the company you own


14 posted on 05/02/2008 9:11:30 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: stainlessbanner

I like his flag, too!


15 posted on 05/02/2008 9:12:15 AM PDT by carton253 (www.headquartersanv.blogspot.com -- for conversations about the Army of Northern Virginia.)
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To: stainlessbanner

10 to 1 it has multiple UF Gators stickers too.


16 posted on 05/02/2008 9:12:50 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (We don't need a Ferengi President!)
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"I'm standing by my guns ... or my flag," Tillett said.

Guy sounds bitter

17 posted on 05/02/2008 9:12:59 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Holy State or Holy King - Or Holy People's Will - Have no truck with the senseless thing.)
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To: pnh102

Well, I just called BJ’s and cancelled my membership. I demanded a refund, too.


18 posted on 05/02/2008 9:13:20 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: stainlessbanner

I guess this is just like back yard football... losers walk.


19 posted on 05/02/2008 9:13:22 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Barrack Obama... more in common with Archie Bunker than Tiger Woods)
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To: dr.zaeus
As a resident of Georgia, I have had a lot of time to think about this, and it makes me sad. I’m sad for those who remember the ugly stain of racism that this flag represents, but I’m also sad for those who see it as a symbol of heritage and are angry that no one else can understand their specific cultural view of the flag. The problem is that no one stood up for it during the years that it was tarnished by public demonstrations of racist, ignorant, propaganda. If a large group had stood up in the 50s, 60s, 70s,... and said, “This is not a racist symbol”, then I would say that this whole controversy is unfair. The sad truth is that not many people fought for its sanctity, while klansmen and skinheads made it their own. It could have been a symbol of state’s rights and southern culture, but instead it has unfortunately turned into a hateful symbol of intolerance.

Bingo. As a resident of Georgia, I came to the same conclusion. It's not simply a historical artifact or celebration of ancestry anymore.

20 posted on 05/02/2008 9:15:30 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (We don't need a Ferengi President!)
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To: Slapshot68
My SC Confederate Battle Flag plate gives my old faded blue Jeep a spalsh of color. It also offends my hyper-sensitive, arrogant neighbor which means I don't see him. Those are two reasons it stays on the front bumper. It hangs on the passenger side and an AMC/Jeep plate (with logo) is on the driver's side front bumper.
21 posted on 05/02/2008 9:19:05 AM PDT by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair!)
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To: pnh102

“Private companies have always been free to restrict activities on their private property.”

Wait until someone says “you can’t park here with that bumper sticker on your car.”


22 posted on 05/02/2008 9:19:35 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: stainlessbanner
Great! Now, go find a “Buck Fush” or a “Kerry/Edwards” sticker and complain to management that you are offended and it is creating a hostile work environment.

And the bosses better move those vehicles...

23 posted on 05/02/2008 9:20:44 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: stainlessbanner
Last time somebody did this it did not work out well for them:

2 Convicted in Killing Over Confederate Flag

AP
Published: January 13, 1996

Two black teen-agers were found guilty of murder today and sentenced to life in prison in the shooting of a white man who was flying a Confederate flag on his pickup truck. A third black teen-ager was acquitted.

The two convicted men, Freddie Morrow and Damien Darden, both 18, were found guilty of murder, civil rights intimidation and the kidnapping of Michael Westerman, 19, who was killed on Jan. 14, 1995.

The men were convicted and sentenced by Judge Robert Wedemeyer, who presided at the nonjury trial.

A third suspect, Marcus Merriweather, 16, was found not guilty of the same charges. A fourth, Tony Andrews, had faced the same charges as the others but pleaded guilty and testified in return for two years' probation.

All four are from Guthrie, Ky., near the Tennessee line.

The prosecutors said the teen-agers had been angered by the Confederate banner flying from Mr. Westerman's pickup when it stopped at a convenience store.

According to testimony, the teen-agers rounded up two other cars and followed Mr. Westerman and his wife, Hannah, 21. Mr. Westerman, of Elkton, Ky., was shot when the car driven by Mr. Darden drew even with the truck. Mr. Morrow admitted firing the shots.

"What was done that day was stupid, stupid on the part of all these individuals," Mr. Morrow's lawyer, Carlton Lewis, said in closing arguments. "I submit to this court that Freddie Morrow is guilty of criminally negligent homicide and no other offense."

Three other defendants, accused of boxing in Mr. Westerman's truck, face trial later.

24 posted on 05/02/2008 9:21:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: stainlessbanner
While the policy does not identify any specific type of expression, it generally prohibits expression that is rude, abusive, hostile or intimidating.

Using that arbitrary and vague definition, anything qualifies if a loser simply says it does: an American Flag, a cross, a fish, a Rotary sticker, a naked woman silhouette...

I don't know if this place of business is run by the bottom of the gene pool, of if it is just the a couple of losers. Good luck to their business.

25 posted on 05/02/2008 9:22:18 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: stainlessbanner
but they did issue a statement saying it is about the rights of other employees:

Ahhhh, that right found in the penumbra to not be offended or annoyed.
Yesssss, I remember that right. </sarc>

26 posted on 05/02/2008 9:22:30 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: mikeus_maximus
Flag of Slavery is the Stars & Stripes.

Some people seem to believe by continuing Reconstruction forever, none will ever question the pre 1850’s slavery in the US.

27 posted on 05/02/2008 9:22:47 AM PDT by We Dare Defend Our Rights
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To: stainlessbanner

I have no problem with the employer doing this so long as the employer also forces employees who drive cars with offensive bumper stickers such as “My body, my choice” or “Doing my part to piss off the religious right” park off premises as well.


28 posted on 05/02/2008 9:23:21 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: mikeus_maximus; dr.zaeus
You might have a point, except that it isn't true. I was there at the time.

Many groups stood up in the 50s and 60s and declared that the Confederate battle flag was not a racist symbol. Not only the re-enactors and the Sons of Confederate Veterans, but quite a number of just ordinary folks. They were condemning the Klan at the same time. But that's all gone down the memory hole.

Moreover, the KKKers were far more likely to fly the United States flag than the Confederate flag. Stone Mountain was Klan Central, for some reason best known to them. Any Klan function, you saw Old Glory all over the place, multiple flags - very rarely a Confederate battle flag (or naval jack if you want to get technical).

Nobody contends that the United States flag has been rendered somehow unwelcome or unusable by the activities of the Klan.

To an extent, I'm afraid you've allowed your view of the situation to be colored by the liberals and race-baiters who decided to make the Confederate battle flag an issue. They are the ones who decreed that "no one stood up for it," even though people did, and they are the ones who decreed that everyone must be offended by it.

Don't know about you, but I don't let the liberals and the haters drive my opinions.

29 posted on 05/02/2008 9:26:15 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: PLMerite
Wait until someone says “you can’t park here with that bumper sticker on your car.”

And if "here" is that "someone's" private property I would respect that.

30 posted on 05/02/2008 9:26:16 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: pnh102
I don’t see how this is a “free speech” issue. Private companies have always been free to restrict activities on their private property.

Is English your second language?
Putting up a flag is an activity; taking down a flag is an activity; having a flag on your vehicle is not an activity.

On the other hand, that PC management team would have their heads explode if he drove in flying the "Gay Pride" flag. Or the raised fist of "Black Power"...

Just Saying...

31 posted on 05/02/2008 9:27:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: stainlessbanner

I wonder if they would kick out customers with the confederate flag on their t-shirts.


32 posted on 05/02/2008 9:28:41 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Publius6961
Is English your second language?
Putting up a flag is an activity; taking down a flag is an activity; having a flag on your vehicle is not an activity.

Perhaps you need to return to your ESL classes. Parking your car on someone else's private property is an activity. Whoever owns that property can set just about any rules they like regarding the conduct of individuals on said property.

33 posted on 05/02/2008 9:30:37 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Moreover, the KKKers were far more likely to fly the United States flag than the Confederate flag. Stone Mountain was Klan Central, for some reason best known to them. Any Klan function, you saw Old Glory all over the place, multiple flags - very rarely a Confederate battle flag (or naval jack if you want to get technical).

Thanks.

I guess these days it's okay for some symbols but not others.

34 posted on 05/02/2008 9:30:56 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Slapshot68
I wonder if this company even realizes the can of worms it’s opened up.

Now every flag, bumper sticker, antenna topper, etc will be the subject of possible offense by someone.

The company didn't open that can. They can be sued for fostering or allowing a hostile work environment.

If the truck owner is willing to walk a half-mile a day in all weather to uphold his right to be rude, I'd have to conclude that he's the one with nothing better to do.

35 posted on 05/02/2008 9:31:50 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Non-Sequitur; Question Liberal Authority
If you’re worried about how your company will be perceived, you probably shouldn’t name it “BJ’s, Wholesale”.

Post of the Day!

I'll second that!

36 posted on 05/02/2008 9:31:57 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: pnh102
Perhaps you need to return to your ESL classes. Parking your car on someone else's private property is an activity.

Sorry Pedro, but you lose.
He is not being harrassed for parking his car.

37 posted on 05/02/2008 9:33:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: dr.zaeus
I’m sad for those who remember the ugly stain of racism that this flag represents, but I’m also sad for those who see it as a symbol of heritage and are angry that no one else can understand their specific cultural view of the flag. The problem is that no one stood up for it during the years that it was tarnished by public demonstrations of racist, ignorant, propaganda.

What flag in America hasn't been used at some point or another as a symbol of racism?

Throughout the history of the KKK, the most commonly used flag by far has been Old Glory.


38 posted on 05/02/2008 9:33:48 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: stainlessbanner

If he flew the rainbow fag, er flag, he’d get a reserved space up front.


39 posted on 05/02/2008 9:35:05 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The republic is over kids!)
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To: We Dare Defend Our Rights

And the stars and bars is the symbol of treason.


40 posted on 05/02/2008 9:35:46 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: Publius6961
He is not being harrassed for parking his car.

You might want to re-read the article. The person in question is not being allowed to park his car on company property.

Do you believe the government should intervene and force a private company to ascribe to the wishes of a single individual? What's next? Forcing the Boy Scouts to accept gays? Forcing Augusta to allow women?

The right to own private property is one of the most sacrosanct of rights guaranteed by the Constitution. If that means someone not being allowed to park his car on private property because the owner of said property doesn't like it, well too bad. This person can either remove the flag or find another job.

41 posted on 05/02/2008 9:37:08 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: mikeus_maximus; dr.zaeus

Another Georgian here, and I’m in full agreement with both of y’all.

There’s a pervasive obsession with “my rights” that used to be a bugaboo of the Left, but is found across the spectrum now. Yes, this guy has every legal right to fly the flag, and if it’s important to him, that’s fine. When asked politely to take it down, he chose to park down the street instead. That’s fine, too. There’s no battle and no controversy.

There are virtually unlimited things I could do or say that would be legally protected free speech, but I don’t because they would be rude and obnoxious. I’m not yet 40, but I’m old enough to remember when courtesy was a Southern value.


42 posted on 05/02/2008 9:37:25 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: stainlessbanner

BJ’s Wholesale. Now theres an intriguing thought.


43 posted on 05/02/2008 9:39:11 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: AnAmericanMother

You apparently didn’t see the same Klan advertising I saw. The Klan kept holding their Labor Day rallies in Stone Mountain (on private land near the state park) right into the ‘80s, and the CBF was difficult to miss. I’m talking about the surrounding area — I didn’t attend the rally itself.


44 posted on 05/02/2008 9:41:41 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Philly Nomad
It's not the "stars and bars".

Don't display your ignorance.

45 posted on 05/02/2008 9:42:07 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
I'm afraid you've allowed your view of the situation to be colored by the liberals and race-baiters who decided to make the Confederate battle flag an issue

You're absolutely correct.

46 posted on 05/02/2008 9:43:31 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: stainlessbanner

Wait until an employer says that the “W” or “I Support My President” or “McCain 2008” sticker “has to go” too.

There is no protection of political party... only race, sex, creed, and sexual fetish. An employer or hotel or business CAN discriminate against you for being a Republican.

It’s been done. Made some press even in 2004.


47 posted on 05/02/2008 9:43:54 AM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: stainlessbanner

This sounds exactly like an incident that happened about a year ago - a guy has a confederate flag on his truck and isn’t allowed to park in the business parking lot.


48 posted on 05/02/2008 9:46:01 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: stainlessbanner

I do not anymore care what is in Bobby’s pickup than I care that rich idiot Hollywood celebrities are wearing Che Guerravara images and other communist symbols.


49 posted on 05/02/2008 9:46:15 AM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, your Uncle Jeremiah is speaking now, Barry can you hear him, Barry what you say now.)
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To: pnh102

The courts have upheld that burning an American flag is an act of “free speech”. They have even upheld that burning SOMEONE ELSE’S STOLEN FLAG is a protected act of free speech.

Some actions are more protected than others.

Wonder how many Ford dealerships require their employees to leave other makes “out of our lot”.


50 posted on 05/02/2008 9:47:20 AM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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