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McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate
The Washington Post ^ | Friday, May 2, 2008; | Michael Dobbs

Posted on 05/02/2008 12:23:20 PM PDT by TexasCajun

The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States.

That is the good news for the presumptive Republican nominee, who was born nearly 72 years ago in a military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, then under U.S. jurisdiction. The bad news is that the nonbinding Senate resolution passed Wednesday night is simply an opinion that has little bearing on an arcane constitutional debate that has preoccupied legal scholars for many weeks.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canalzone; citzen; conspiracytheory; dnctalkingpoints; foreignborn; howtostealanelection; lawsuit; mccain; michaeldobbs; panama; sorelosers; tinfoil
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To: EggsAckley

Actually I can see what Dems are up to on this one.

Down the road they will call fair when they run an anchor baby for office


41 posted on 05/02/2008 1:19:40 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: True Republican Patriot

Isn’t the gov a little, shall we say, limp in the wrist?


42 posted on 05/02/2008 1:21:55 PM PDT by BabaOreally
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To: Polybius
This is a Democrat political stunt.

Exactly. And to put it in even simpler terms so that they can understand it:

Is McCain a naturalized citizen? No? Then he is native born.

43 posted on 05/02/2008 1:22:42 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy - Codename -> "Bobber")
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To: Mean Maryjean
Romney standing next to McCain makes McCain look like an old, senile, shriveled up, namby-pamby dwarf. At the very least, McCain would need to stand on a two-foot stool in an overstuffed suit.

McCain should just give up since he has no chance of winning the nomination against Mitt Romney.

Sheesh. No wonder some people call him Myth Romney. Despite spending a mountain of money, Romney got his butt kicked by the "old, senile, shriveled up, namby-pamby dwarf."

I don't think that McCain will pick Romney because other than his checkbook, Romney doesn't bring a lot to the table to help McCain win in November.

44 posted on 05/02/2008 1:24:00 PM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

of course most libs have NOT read the consitution.

Otherwise, they would not insist that it says what it doesn’t say (right to privacy) and doesn’t say what it says (right to bear arms).


45 posted on 05/02/2008 1:27:02 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: True Republican Patriot

“It’s Gov. Crist of Florida,...”

That ought to give new life to Brokeback Moutain.


46 posted on 05/02/2008 1:28:10 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama is a member of the Far Wright Conspiracy.......)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
Proof positive that neither of them have ever read the Constitution. Then again, most libs have not.

Hard for a lib to read a moving living object.

47 posted on 05/02/2008 1:32:17 PM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: TexasCajun

How about kids born in Japan Germany etc to American Service men or to families stationed abroad —I am sure they have been voting as has McCain in our elections


48 posted on 05/02/2008 1:34:58 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Dan(9698)

Right. I meant native born citizen.


49 posted on 05/02/2008 1:35:20 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: merry10

Will you be bringing your “Save the Rino” sign to the convention?

There are lots of people I like who I wouldn’t want anywhere near the White House except as tourists. I’ll vote for McCain unless a better alternative presents itself. Just don’t expect me to be “honored” to do it - I’ll be holding my nose all the way.

Why can’t we get someone same to run as a 3rd party candidate, like Ross Perot. /sarc


50 posted on 05/02/2008 1:38:54 PM PDT by Gil4
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To: TexasCajun
IIRC, Obama's daddy was a citizen of Kenya. That makes Barry Obama a citizen of both the US and Kenya (maybe that's why he doesn't wear a flag on his lapel!)

Does anyone worry about electing a citizen of Kenya as President of the US?

51 posted on 05/02/2008 1:48:25 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Illegals : Why spend the money to educate them if its against the law to employ them?)
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To: All

“… writes that he was born “in the Canal Zone” at the U.S. Naval Air Station in Coco Solo…

Oh man!!! Where can I start!

That above statement contains 2 (two) (dos) lies.

1. U.S. Naval Air station was not an air station. It was a submarine base. To this day, I have never seen a runway in Coco Solo.

2. He could not have been born at Coco Solo (unless his mother gave birth to him out in the front yard) because no hospital existed there at that time. He was born in ’36 and Coco Solo Hospital was built in 1941-1942.

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“Curiously enough, there is no record of McCain’s birth in the Panama Canal Zone Health Department’s bound birth registers, which are publicly available at the National Archives in College Park. A search of the “Child Born Abroad” records of the U.S. consular service for August 1936 included many U.S. citizens born in the Canal Zone but did not turn up any mention of John McCain.”

Did you try this address?
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Please Note: The information contained is not guaranteed, as addresses and prices change frequently. It is recommended that you confirm the price and address by calling the vital records office before you place your order.

Canal Zone Vital Records Office

Vital Records Branch

Passport Services

1111 19th Street NW, Suite 510
Washington, DC, CZ 34011-2300
202-955-0307

For birth and death certificates, please include the following in your request.

Date
Purpose of request
Name at birth/death
Date of birth/death
City and county of birth/death
signature of subject or guardian
Address
Telephone Number

For birth records also include:
Father’s name
Date & place of birth
Mother’s name
Date & place of birth
U.S. Passport information

Kindly indicate the number of documents desired - additional copies $10 each. Check or money order must be signed, dated, and made payable to the Department of State. Remittance must be payable in U.S. dollars through a U.S. bank. Do not send cash.

Civilian Records (NWCTC)

Textual Archives Services Division
8601 Adelphi Road
National Archives
College Park, MD 20740

If a marriage record is located, the applicant will be contacted as to the fees involved.
____________

Folks, I couldn’t finish the rest of the article. I was getting too upset.

If his birth record does not show up at the above address, he was then born in a Republic of Panama hospital.


52 posted on 05/02/2008 2:13:26 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: MarineBrat

Since Goldwater was not voted president, it did not become an issue.


53 posted on 05/02/2008 2:20:55 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: MarineBrat
My entire life I’ve been told by everyone who has cared to give an opinion that the child of an American GI, who is born overseas because the GI is stationed overseas, is eligible to run for president. US Military bases are considered to be soverign US territory.

You don't even have to be born on US territory, as long as one or both parents is a US citizen.

54 posted on 05/02/2008 2:29:15 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are doom and gloomers, union members and liberals so bad at math?)
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To: TexasCajun
The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States.

They don't have that authority. But offspring of servicement born on US military facilities are citizens.

55 posted on 05/02/2008 2:29:31 PM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Gil4

vote for who you want. Call people RINOs - your issue, and I could care less. If McCain was a Democrat I’d still vote for him.

Let me repeat myself - I am not only honored to vote for John McCain, I am PROUD to vote for him. He’s the best person for this job. I can’t wait to vote for him, actually.


56 posted on 05/02/2008 2:58:03 PM PDT by merry10
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To: Toddsterpatriot

What all this amounts to which the SC will have to sort out is: All U.S. citizens are equal (since we all have to pay taxes), but some U.S. citizens are more equal than others.

Sound familiar?


57 posted on 05/02/2008 3:15:17 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: TexasCajun
The key constitutional issue is whether the Canal Zone was part of the United States at the time of McCain's birth.

It seems to me that the key constitutional issue is whether the child by birth, not adoption, of two U.S. citizens is a 'natural-born' citizen.
58 posted on 05/02/2008 3:24:31 PM PDT by Mariebl
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To: Toddsterpatriot

May I clarify what I just wrote:

No, no foreign person who becomes a U.S. citizen can become president of our country if that person’s parent (or parents) was not U.S. citizens. That fat pinhead jerk in Kalifornia comes to mind.


59 posted on 05/02/2008 3:26:22 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: TexasCajun

Our hard working senate at its best. What BS!


60 posted on 05/02/2008 3:28:05 PM PDT by Magnolia
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