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McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate
The Washington Post ^ | Friday, May 2, 2008; | Michael Dobbs

Posted on 05/02/2008 12:23:20 PM PDT by TexasCajun

The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States.

That is the good news for the presumptive Republican nominee, who was born nearly 72 years ago in a military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, then under U.S. jurisdiction. The bad news is that the nonbinding Senate resolution passed Wednesday night is simply an opinion that has little bearing on an arcane constitutional debate that has preoccupied legal scholars for many weeks.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canalzone; citzen; conspiracytheory; dnctalkingpoints; foreignborn; howtostealanelection; lawsuit; mccain; michaeldobbs; panama; sorelosers; tinfoil
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I expect Algore and Howard Dean are already lining up their high-dollar lawyers for a replay of Florida 2000.
1 posted on 05/02/2008 12:23:21 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

Where’s the “Not this s***t again” guy?


2 posted on 05/02/2008 12:26:15 PM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Wakka-ding-hoy - battle cry of the Plexus Rangers!)
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To: TexasCajun

Since I was born in the “Hawaiian Territories”, does that make me ineligible? I don’t think so.


3 posted on 05/02/2008 12:27:02 PM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: TexasCajun

Proof positive that neither of them have ever read the Constitution. Then again, most libs have not.


4 posted on 05/02/2008 12:30:47 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (One Nation-Under God. There, I said it.)
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To: TexasCajun

Hmmm......if they’re kicking this around, they’re even more desperate than I thought.


5 posted on 05/02/2008 12:31:12 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: TexasCajun

The dream scenario:

1. McCain picks Duncan Hunter as his VP.
2. McCain/Hunter win the general election.
3. McCain is tossed out by the Supremes for not being a “naturalized citizen”.
4. President Hunter chooses a new VP.

(I know. #1 ain’t gonna happen.)


6 posted on 05/02/2008 12:31:12 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: TexasCajun

How about an un-elected co-president returning to the White House? How about a former president who served two elected terms returning for 4 or 8 years as un-elected co-president?

Talk about unconstitutional...


7 posted on 05/02/2008 12:31:38 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
Where’s the “Not this s***t again” guy?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The Times tried this s**t a few weeks ago. Let's just see the Dems try to disqualify the children of active duty servicemen and women born abroad from being President. It'll be fun to watch. (And yes, I know that the Canal Zone wasn't really abroad back then).

8 posted on 05/02/2008 12:32:08 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: TexasCajun
The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States.

The Senate is 218 years behind the times.

Naturalization Act of 1790: ...... "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens".

This is a Democrat political stunt.

9 posted on 05/02/2008 12:32:49 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
Aw Jeeze, guy

10 posted on 05/02/2008 12:32:50 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: TexasCajun

And yet it is “xenophobic” to discuss Obama’s studies abroad as a young muslim.


11 posted on 05/02/2008 12:33:12 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: samtheman
(I know. #1 ain’t gonna happen.)

Neither will #3. The Dems are gonna lose with Obama and we'll be spending the next four years complaining about President McCain's policies.

12 posted on 05/02/2008 12:33:53 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Vigilanteman

13 posted on 05/02/2008 12:34:13 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Ah, there he is. Thanks.


14 posted on 05/02/2008 12:34:25 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

To a lib, the Constitution only means what the current supreme court says it means.


15 posted on 05/02/2008 12:35:09 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: jalisco555

Who do you think he’ll pick for VP?


16 posted on 05/02/2008 12:35:38 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: weegee

I like yours even better!


17 posted on 05/02/2008 12:35:44 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: TexasCajun

LOL It’s not stirring anything except with those who are desparate to find some way to knock McCain out.


18 posted on 05/02/2008 12:36:51 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: samtheman
(I know. #1 ain’t gonna happen.)

#3 isn't going to happen either.

19 posted on 05/02/2008 12:37:36 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: samtheman
Who do you think he’ll pick for VP?

Pawlenty or Romney. It would have been Jindal if he had won the first time he ran for LA gov and that would have been the Dream Team electorally. Still might happen but I doubt it.

20 posted on 05/02/2008 12:38:20 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: MEGoody

I have always liked John McCain. Had my primary vote in 2000 meant anything, i would have voted for him then. But I will be honored to vote for him this election.


21 posted on 05/02/2008 12:38:45 PM PDT by merry10
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To: samtheman
Who do you think he’ll pick for VP?

In the interest of reaching out .... Jeremiah Wright.

22 posted on 05/02/2008 12:40:19 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Vigilanteman

We may be seeing him a lot more in the next 4 years.


23 posted on 05/02/2008 12:41:23 PM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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To: MarineBrat

“Since I was born in the “Hawaiian Territories”, does that make me ineligible? I don’t think so.”

This very same issue was raised with Barry Goldwater in 1964. Goldwater was born in Arizona in 1909 but Arizona didn’t become a state until 1912.

If the stakes weren’t so high, this would be yet another laughing matter like every ‘issue’ the liberals raise.


24 posted on 05/02/2008 12:41:35 PM PDT by KamperKen
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To: weegee

lolz

For the Win


25 posted on 05/02/2008 12:43:20 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: MrB

I love it...

The Libs heads will explode after we “steal” the Presidency again —

1. We denied the Affirmation Action candidate OBAMA from winning.
2. We did it with an illegal alien as our candidate.
3. We did it by trashing a black man, his pastor and his wife.
4. We did it by trashing ALL his Leftist, Racist, terrorist and militant Islamic friends.
5. We did it by casting aspersions on his integrity, believing him to be a Muslim in Christian clothing.
6. We poked fun at him for holding his crotch rather that saluting the American Flag.
7. We did it with an old fart - who is a war monger, and their previously favorite RINO.

The smarmy bastards will go nuts!


26 posted on 05/02/2008 12:44:33 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: samtheman
My guess is that he won't pick Huckabee. I'm guessing that Romney's quick exit and endorsement of McCain was payback to Huckabee, who was then angling for the VP slot. I'm not sure what agreements were made between McCain and Romney at the time, but given Romney's ability to make money, I'm reasonably certain he did not walk away empty-handed.

And no, I do not think McCain will pick Romney. There is still too much bad blood between them. More importantly, there is too much ego on McCain's part to pick anyone who would show him up. My guess is that he goes with someone who generates few negatives and is idealogically dull-- someone who won't overshadow McCain. Tim Pawlenty, Governor of Minnesota, or Charlie Crist of Florida would be my guess.

27 posted on 05/02/2008 12:44:45 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

Ditto that! This is such a non-entity. What a useless waste of space, time and energy.


28 posted on 05/02/2008 12:46:51 PM PDT by Mean Maryjean (Tribe Member: 'Runs with Rush')
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To: Vigilanteman
More importantly, there is too much ego on McCain's part to pick anyone who would show him up.

Romney standing next to McCain makes McCain look like an old, senile, shriveled up, namby-pamby dwarf. At the very least, McCain would need to stand on a two-foot stool in an overstuffed suit.

29 posted on 05/02/2008 12:51:11 PM PDT by Mean Maryjean (Tribe Member: 'Runs with Rush')
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
"Where’s the “Not this s***t again” guy? "

I thought about posting it but then I knew I'd get some help. ..lots of help for this new old story.

30 posted on 05/02/2008 12:51:13 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: KamperKen

“Since I was born in the “Hawaiian Territories”, does that make me ineligible? I don’t think so.”

>>This very same issue was raised with Barry Goldwater in 1964. Goldwater was born in Arizona in 1909 but Arizona didn’t become a state until 1912.

Interesting. I wasn’t familiar with Goldwater’s case. I’ve always been interested in this specific issue because I was born when MarineDad was stationed at Kaneohe, and Hawaii hadn’t become a state yet.

My entire life I’ve been told by everyone who has cared to give an opinion that the child of an American GI, who is born overseas because the GI is stationed overseas, is eligible to run for president. US Military bases are considered to be soverign US territory.

Isn’t that what McCain’s situation is?


31 posted on 05/02/2008 12:53:55 PM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: samtheman
You, sir, are an unmitigated optimist.

;->

32 posted on 05/02/2008 12:59:00 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Vigilanteman

The VP decision has already been made!! and the candidate didn’t deny it when interviewed on FOX. It’s Gov. Crist of Florida, a very popular Gov. who WILL deliver Florida with a good margin.


33 posted on 05/02/2008 1:02:39 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: weegee

HA!


34 posted on 05/02/2008 1:03:03 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: TexasCajun
Go

"I took Panama . . . matter closed!"

35 posted on 05/02/2008 1:08:56 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: samtheman
for not being a “naturalized citizen”.

A "naturalized citizen" is not eligible. They are an immigrant.

He must be a native born. Being born of Service members, diplomats and so forth in a military hospital qualifies as native born.

36 posted on 05/02/2008 1:10:40 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Crist is a two-bit hack who does nothing for the ticket and will make Floridians nostalgic for Jeb Bush. Republicans can’t win without Florida any more than Democrats can’t win without Pennsylvania. If McCain can’t carry Florida without Crist, he will cede Ohio, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and possibly even Iowa. But at least his VP won’t show him up.


37 posted on 05/02/2008 1:12:54 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: TexasCajun

It doesn’t matter WHERE McCain was born. His parents were U.S. citizens. That makes him a natural born U.S. Citizen.
Anyone arguing the case that McCain is ineligible is an idiot.


38 posted on 05/02/2008 1:16:07 PM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: TexasCajun

Has anyone actually verified Obama’s past?


39 posted on 05/02/2008 1:16:15 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: TexasCajun

I thought you just had to be born a citizen, not in the borders of the continental US. I mean doesn’t his parents make him a citizen?? I’m confused.


40 posted on 05/02/2008 1:17:17 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: EggsAckley

Actually I can see what Dems are up to on this one.

Down the road they will call fair when they run an anchor baby for office


41 posted on 05/02/2008 1:19:40 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: True Republican Patriot

Isn’t the gov a little, shall we say, limp in the wrist?


42 posted on 05/02/2008 1:21:55 PM PDT by BabaOreally
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To: Polybius
This is a Democrat political stunt.

Exactly. And to put it in even simpler terms so that they can understand it:

Is McCain a naturalized citizen? No? Then he is native born.

43 posted on 05/02/2008 1:22:42 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Ted Kennedy - Codename -> "Bobber")
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To: Mean Maryjean
Romney standing next to McCain makes McCain look like an old, senile, shriveled up, namby-pamby dwarf. At the very least, McCain would need to stand on a two-foot stool in an overstuffed suit.

McCain should just give up since he has no chance of winning the nomination against Mitt Romney.

Sheesh. No wonder some people call him Myth Romney. Despite spending a mountain of money, Romney got his butt kicked by the "old, senile, shriveled up, namby-pamby dwarf."

I don't think that McCain will pick Romney because other than his checkbook, Romney doesn't bring a lot to the table to help McCain win in November.

44 posted on 05/02/2008 1:24:00 PM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

of course most libs have NOT read the consitution.

Otherwise, they would not insist that it says what it doesn’t say (right to privacy) and doesn’t say what it says (right to bear arms).


45 posted on 05/02/2008 1:27:02 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: True Republican Patriot

“It’s Gov. Crist of Florida,...”

That ought to give new life to Brokeback Moutain.


46 posted on 05/02/2008 1:28:10 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama is a member of the Far Wright Conspiracy.......)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
Proof positive that neither of them have ever read the Constitution. Then again, most libs have not.

Hard for a lib to read a moving living object.

47 posted on 05/02/2008 1:32:17 PM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: TexasCajun

How about kids born in Japan Germany etc to American Service men or to families stationed abroad —I am sure they have been voting as has McCain in our elections


48 posted on 05/02/2008 1:34:58 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Dan(9698)

Right. I meant native born citizen.


49 posted on 05/02/2008 1:35:20 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: merry10

Will you be bringing your “Save the Rino” sign to the convention?

There are lots of people I like who I wouldn’t want anywhere near the White House except as tourists. I’ll vote for McCain unless a better alternative presents itself. Just don’t expect me to be “honored” to do it - I’ll be holding my nose all the way.

Why can’t we get someone same to run as a 3rd party candidate, like Ross Perot. /sarc


50 posted on 05/02/2008 1:38:54 PM PDT by Gil4
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