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<I>In Cold Blood</I> (Heads Up: Documentary about the Carr Brothers in Kansas at 11:00-12:00 PM EDT)
PMSNBC ^ | May 3, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 05/03/2008 6:10:30 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

MSNBC will rebroadcast a documentary about the crimes that got the Carr brothers on death row in Kansas at 11:00-12:00 PM EDT. That is 10:00-11:00PM CDT where I live. I'm not sure when the Mountain and Pacific time zones will see it.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: banglist; carrbrothers; hatecrimes
I don't want to go into details about the crime, but here is a link to a search for previous Free Republic threads about them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/carrbrothers/index?tab=articles

I couldn' find the information ont the MSNBC.com, but I did get the rebroadcast time off my cable box at home.

To the Admin Moderator: Please don't delete this thread or move it to another forum. The national media deliberately embargoed information about this trial in 2002, because it wasn't politically correct.

1 posted on 05/03/2008 6:10:30 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

One of the most heinous crimes I've ever read about and things have only gotten worse with these home invasions.

2 posted on 05/03/2008 6:18:36 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

thanks for the heads up.


3 posted on 05/03/2008 6:29:22 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: rabidralph

Tried to find out what happened but on the other threads I seem to figure out that it was a Black on White crime ....


4 posted on 05/03/2008 6:30:08 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: Paleo Conservative

bttt


5 posted on 05/03/2008 6:31:27 PM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I remember it well..It was so horrifying, so evil ..so senseless that I may never sleep if I watch it.

It was “unmentionable” in the MSM.


6 posted on 05/03/2008 6:40:10 PM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military)
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To: Paleo Conservative
"At about 11 PM on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men who had two female guests. The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. They beat the men and raped the women.

In addition to repeatedly raping the women, the Carr Brothers have been found guilty of forcing them to perform sexual acts on each other, sodomizing one of them, and forcing the three male victims to perform sex acts with each of the women. Then the Carr Brothers robbed them and brutally murdered four of them.

According to a lone survivor's horrifying pre-trial testimony, after sexually tormenting them, the Carr Brothers took the friends individually to an ATM machine and forced them to withdraw as much cash as possible. Then, the Carr Brothers transported their naked victims to a remote soccer field and forced them to kneel in the snow before shooting them execution-style in the head, and then running them over with a truck. After leaving their victims for dead, the Carr Brothers returned to the men's apartment and stole appliances, bedding, and china."


To paraphrase Cris Rock...There are black people and there are the Carr Brothers.
7 posted on 05/03/2008 6:53:41 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thanks for the heads up. An acquaintance of mine worked in the Sedgwick County DA’s office when this case was going on. Apparently, the surviving victim got an STD from one or both of the Carr brothers, in addition to getting beaten, raped, robbed, and shot.


8 posted on 05/03/2008 7:02:30 PM PDT by Huntress (Barack's chickens have come home to roost.)
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To: rabidralph

I think of this crime often, and remember the gruesome details, and how it got completely buried by the MSM.
It makes my blood boil whenever I remember it, and finally I’m hearing about it again.


9 posted on 05/03/2008 7:02:53 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see" --Schopenhauer)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thanks for the TV heads-up.
I visited my maternal grandparents in Wichita for decades.
This story really hit home for me, as well as just being horrible.


10 posted on 05/03/2008 7:09:21 PM PDT by VOA
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To: stylin19a

Left to right above: Brad Heyka, Aaron Sander, Heather Muller, Jason Befort.

Left to right: Reginald Carr, Jonathan Carr.

11 posted on 05/03/2008 7:23:44 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagon)
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To: supremedoctrine

As sickening as this crime was, I was even more horrified at the Knoxville atrocity of Jan 2007. That almost made the Wichita outrage seem tame by comparison.

I assume this is the same show that NBC showed on “Dateline” in July 2004. I watched it all then but couldn’t bear to watch it again tonight. I assume there are no new details anyway. At the time there was talk that the survivor might be interviewed but she was not so they didn’t really reveal anything new, at least to those of us who already heard about this incident.

After 5.5 years I have not heard what the status of the killers’ appeals are. If they are ever put to death I wonder how much longer it will take. I hope they are enjoying their solitary confinement in the meantime.


12 posted on 05/03/2008 7:34:13 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Paleo Conservative

I remember hearing a little about this...a very little. Like that 5 people were shot and left for dead in a soccer field. I do not recall hearing anything about the victims having been raped, kidnapped, robbed, and forced to do vile things to each other for the amusement of their assailants , or that it was part of a crime spree. Two of the victims had recently decided to pursue religious vocations. One juror fainted at the trial. And thanks to the KS Supreme Court, these fiends may never get the death penalty they were sentenced to. They have already breathed 8 years too long. God rest the souls of the victims and comfort their families and the surviving victim who must live with the memories.


13 posted on 05/03/2008 7:41:31 PM PDT by informavoracious (God BLESS America)
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To: BerryDingle

The photo of Ann Walenta should be included. She was shot by these mutants in an attempted carjacking a few nights before the home invasion. She tried to escape and they shot her in the neck. She initially survived, but was paralyzed. She identified R. Carr as one of the shooters. Sadly she developed an infection or had some complication and died 3 weeks after the shooting. I forget if they got first degree murder in her case or some lesser charge but in any case they just added that to the myriad of other charges the killers faced. Oh yes, she was white too. As was Andrew Schreiber, the first guy they carjacked. For some reason he was left unharmed.

I’m surprised MSN is re-airing this show. I wonder if it has been on in the 4 years since it first aired. I would have thought the PC thought police within NBC might have tried to prevent it from being seen again.


14 posted on 05/03/2008 7:49:29 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Paleo Conservative
RE: "The national media deliberately embargoed information about this trial in 2002, because it wasn't politically correct."

That is correct, at least it is fair to say that the story, with all its horror, did not have legs outside of Wichita. Another case of where the spike is the worst form of bias -- at least it was until we had the Internet and modern talk radio.

However, I do recall that AP employees covered the trial and the white "racists" outside the court house.

I can just here the screams of "Racists!" by Obama fans as they question the timing of this show.

15 posted on 05/03/2008 8:18:26 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: SkyDancer
Tried to find out what happened but on the other threads I seem to figure out that it was a Black on White crime ....

Search on "Wichita massacre". It's very similar to the more recent Knoxville massacre. The great mystery is what motivates crimes like these.

16 posted on 05/03/2008 8:30:12 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; namsman; ...

There is another showing at 4:00-5:00 AM EDT, Sunday May4. That's 3:00-4:00 AM CDT. You might want to set your cable box or Tivo to record it. I am pinging all my ping lists.

17 posted on 05/03/2008 9:10:42 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: BlazingArizona
The great mystery is what motivates crimes like these.

If you listen to "Reverend Wright's" sermons, you wouldn't wonder what motivates these crimes. Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, and Wright are all enablers of these types of crimes against "Whitey".
19 posted on 05/03/2008 9:28:35 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Paleo Conservative
Here's Crime Library's story of the crime: The Wichita Horror.

Both Carrs received the DP, which was commuted to life (along w/ several others) when the sentencing rules were challenged. Fortunately the DP was reinstated and the Carrs are now back on Death Row.

20 posted on 05/03/2008 10:07:14 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: supremedoctrine
I think of this crime often, and remember the gruesome details, and how it got completely buried by the MSM.

They're too busy running anti-gun propaganda.

21 posted on 05/04/2008 5:58:04 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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bump


22 posted on 05/04/2008 6:03:42 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Paleo Conservative
Thanks for the ping. This was a classic example of the media ignoring a heinous crime for as long as possible, and then only giving it modest, very generic coverage. We all know that if the crime had been white on white, it would have received massive coverage, and if it had been white on black, the coverage would have been 24/7 for months on end.

Imagine if a brutal crime like this had been committed by whites against five innocent black young people. Imagine if they had been sexually abused and then taken naked out into a field, shot in the head, and then deliberately run over by a truck. Imagine if one of the girls had miraculously survived because her hair clip slightly deflected the bullet and the truck tires missed her. Imagine if she then crawled naked through the freezing snow for a mile until she collapsed on the front porch of a farmhouse and was rescued.

That story would have been seared into our consciousness even more strongly than the horrible James Byrd killing or the phony Duke rape case. But the real Wichita story wasn't given much attention. Why? Well, we all know why. It was black on white, and the same media who freak out if a noose is found in the bathroom at a Home Depot store chose to ignore it. The race of the perps and victims didn't fit the liberal media template.

23 posted on 05/04/2008 6:18:49 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Fido969

As the MSM is too busy running anti-gun propaganda, the rest of rational Americans know that Black crime is 700% higher than non-black crime and also know that only self defense makes any sense...the DRATS will just shoot themselves in the foot as they continue to try to grab legal guns!


24 posted on 05/04/2008 6:21:06 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Paleo Conservative

A story out of hell.


25 posted on 05/04/2008 6:25:59 AM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Bahamas!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

OK, so MSNBC does a special on it. Court TV covered the trial. CNN did stories on it. Kansas TV, radio, and press covered the trial. How exactly did the MSM embargo information on it?


26 posted on 05/04/2008 6:33:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Jane Austen
A story out of hell

Indeed. All the details you probably haven't read are HERE:
http://amren.com/ar/2002/08/index.html
(sorry, can't post a clickable link, it's from a "controversial" source. You'll have to copy and paste the URL.

- John

27 posted on 05/04/2008 6:37:15 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: Paleo Conservative
Wichita Massacre
28 posted on 05/04/2008 7:38:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; E. Pluribus Unum; puroresu; Jane Austen
OK, so MSNBC does a special on it. Court TV covered the trial. CNN did stories on it. Kansas TV, radio, and press covered the trial. How exactly did the MSM embargo information on it?

I don't recall seeing any articles about it from the New York Times. There also were no stories in my local fish wrap or any fish wrap in the US other than the Wichita Eagle. It was covered as strictly a local story. The MSNBC special was made a year or two after the trial. I didn't see any mention of the story on Fox or MSNBC before the trial or during the trial.

29 posted on 05/04/2008 7:43:33 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
It was covered as strictly a local story.

It was a local story. Wichita police caught them. A Kansas court tried them. A Kansas jury convicted them. And the Kansas prison system is going to kill them. And I honestly could not care less if the rest of the country is miffed because they weren't kept up to date, minute by minute, on the progress.

30 posted on 05/04/2008 7:55:36 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Paleo Conservative

These two subhumans should already have been executed. I am against lethal injection. Executions should be carried out by either electric chair, hanging or the gas chamber. Reserve the firing squad for the execution of war criminals, though hanging for this works also ala Nuremburg. The two thugs didn’t merely kill their 4 victims, but they killed the families, the mothers and fathers and kin, who must die over and over every day with the grisly facts concerning their children’s final moments. The two thug lowlifes should have already been snuffed out.


31 posted on 05/04/2008 8:37:27 AM PDT by RedCobra
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To: Non-Sequitur
It was a local story.

Oh like the James Bryd dragging death in Jasper County, Texas was a local story? A jury of 11 whites and 1 black took just 2 and a half ours to convict the leader of the group of 3 thugs who murdered Byrd and that jury awarded him the death penalty. The second defendant later convicted in a separate trial and awarded the death penalty. The third defendant received a life sentence in a plea bargain deal in exchange for testifying against the other two defendants at their trials.

I think the State of Texas acted admirably in providing support to the local prosecutors, reimbursing Jasper County for the costs of the investigation and trial, and making sure everything was done professionally making sure any resulting convictions and sentences would hold up on appeal. The national press, especially the New York Times impugned the whole State of Texas including all its white citizens, and our governor in an effort to make cheap shot political points against the presumed Republican presidential candidate in the upcoming 2000 elections. The only reason the James Byrd's murderers are still alive is due to anti death penalty advocates, on whom the left wing press including the New York Times dotes, who constantly file spurrious lawsuits to try abolish through activist courts a lawful and constitutional punishment that they have failed misably to abolish through the political branches of government.

I guarantee you that if the race of the victims and criminals in the Carr brothers case were reversed, every national and international news organization would have sent reporters to Kansas to smear its reputation.

32 posted on 05/04/2008 10:14:01 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
... it wasn't politically correct.

The truth has been on holiday since the middle 1960's. The article below is from 1995, and in the intervening thirteen years, it has gotten much worse.

The Race War of Black Against White

By Paul Sheehan

Sydney Morning Herald, May 20, 1995

"The longest war America has ever fought is the Dirty War, and it is not over. It has lasted 30 years so far and claimed more than 25 million victims. It has cost almost as many lives as the Vietnam War. It determined the result of last year's congressional election.

Yet the American news media do not want to talk about the Dirty War, which remains between the lines and unreported. In fact, to even suggest that the war exists is to be discredited. So let's start suggesting, immediately.

No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 30 years a large segment of black America has waged a war of violent retribution against white America. And the problem is getting worse, not better.

In the past 20 years, violent crime has increased more than four times faster than the population. Young blacks (under 18) are more violent than previous generations and are 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than young whites.

Nearly all the following figures, which speak for themselves, have not been reported in America:

* According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white, according to the survey "Highlights From 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims," published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the mid-1960s, when there was a sharp increase in black crime against whites, an upsurge which, not co-incidentally, corresponds exactly with the beginning of the modern civil rights movement.

Over time, the cumulative effect has been staggering. Justice Department and FBI statistics indicate that between 1964 and 1994 more than 25 million violent inter-racial crimes were committed, overwhelmingly involving black offenders and white victims, and more than 45,000 people were killed in inter-racial murders. By comparison, 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and 34,000 were killed in the Korean War.

When non-violent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and personal theft) are included, the cumulative totals become prodigious. The Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million non-violent crimes were committed in the US in 1992, and the survey found that 31 per cent of the robberies involved black offenders and white victims (while only 2 per cent in the reverse).

When all the crime figures are calculated, it appears that black Americans have committed at least 170 million crimes against white Americans in the past 30 years. It is the great defining disaster of American life and American ideals since World War II.

All these are facts, yet by simply writing this story, by assembling the facts in this way, I would be deemed a racist by the American news media. It prefers to maintain a paternalistic double standard in its coverage of black America, a lower standard."


33 posted on 05/04/2008 10:53:33 AM PDT by meadsjn (Socialists promote man's exploitation of man; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Oh like the James Bryd dragging death in Jasper County, Texas was a local story?

And do you think that the publicity that that story had, or that the Duke lacrosse team story got was justified? Do you believe that those deserved the media exposure that they got?

34 posted on 05/04/2008 10:54:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
And do you think that the publicity that that story had, or that the Duke lacrosse team story got was justified? Do you believe that those deserved the media exposure that they got?

Well due to the exposure that whole case got in the MSM and the scrutiny it got on internet blogs and bulletin boards, the prosecutor has been disbarred and may face further disciplinary measures and lawsuits. The woman who made the original complaint has been discredited and may be prosecuted for making false statements to the police. The MSM press organizations are hemorrhaging money and are in full retreat due to competition with the new media and loss of credibility.

35 posted on 05/04/2008 11:38:36 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Answer the question. Was the excessive media coverage either case got justified?


36 posted on 05/04/2008 2:24:40 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: BerryDingle

The defense attorney will ask for clemency because they were “honor st


37 posted on 05/05/2008 8:00:30 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Tailback
I think your response it too simplistic and does not get to the real issues. You group Sharpton, Jackson and Wright with Farrakhan. Wrong. While there are black hate mongers, just like white ones, individuals who go out to indiscriminately kill are not operating out of some deep need for “justice” for some read sermon / doctrine (this would be too cerebal). Rather they are killing because they have no sense for human life, (black, white, brown,polka-dot,..). I am black and I am reasonable sure I would have voted to kill these animals without a trial.

If you get fooled by the media, and lazy researchers who only want to quickly characterize victims and perpetrators by skin color we miss the the real reason for such henious acts, including we are still trying to understand what makes us act impulsively with and without regret. I feel reasonable confident that once events started to get out of hand that these two individuals - stupid ignorant and undeserving of being among society just kept on with their dehumanizing acts.. resulting in untold pain and death. Down let hate mongers and media influence how you see and react to this atrocity. Don't drink the Kool-aid. These are animals, who can not live among any population.

My heart goes out to the parents, family and friends. the world is a lesser place for the lost of these victims.
ByDBay

38 posted on 12/21/2008 9:02:48 AM PST by ByDBay
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To: Non-Sequitur

Are those two bastards still on death row? You never know nowadays.


39 posted on 03/18/2011 10:12:08 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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