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Howard Dean: Florida and Michigan Delegations Will Be Seated
Patterico ^ | 05/03/2008 | Patterico

Posted on 05/03/2008 6:16:36 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Howard Dean appeared on the Daily Show and said definitively that the Michigan and Florida delegations will be seated. (H/t Scott Jacobs.) The video is here.

Representative quotes:

STEWART: If I were designing a plan to submarine your chances, and again, you don’t have to follow my advice here, I would take the state that was, let’s say crucial to the Republican election chances — lets, let’s call it Florida — and I would find a way to insult them. Maybe not seat them at the convention, that sort of thing. Then I would pick a Rust Belt state, maybe a Michigan, and say to them the same. Now you’ve got two states that are angry with you. Do you think that would be a good way?

DEAN: Well, we’re actually going to seat them at the convention.

STEWART: What?! This is news! Are you really going to do that?

DEAN: We’re going to find a way to seat them at the convention.

START: Are you really going to?

DEAN: Yeah.

STEWART: How — how can you do that when their results don’t count?

DEAN: Well, it’s a little hard, but we’re gonna do it.

. . . .

It’s gonna be quite a juggling act, but we’re gonna do it. You cannot have a Democratic convention without Florida and Michigan.

Stewart also asked Dean why Michigan and Florida don’t have to follow the rules. Dean replied: “They do. That’s why they lost their delegates.”

I don’t get it either.

Finally, Dean argued that the Democrats’ system is “still more democratic than the [system used by the] Republicans” — you know, the system where the voters choose all the delegates. Stewart let him get away with that one.

Watch it all, if you can stand it.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008dncconvention; barackobama; clinton; dailyshow; dean; delegates; delegation; democratparty; democrats; election; election2008; electionpresident; elections; fl2008; florida; hillary; hillaryclinton; howarddean; jonstewart; mi2008; michigan; obama
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1 posted on 05/03/2008 6:16:37 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The latest from the house of waffles.


2 posted on 05/03/2008 6:21:38 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I think Florida will cream Michigan. I don’t see why Big Ten teams should be allowed in the BCS title game.


3 posted on 05/03/2008 6:21:55 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

McPain vs Billary. The country is screwed.


4 posted on 05/03/2008 6:22:51 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I will enjoy Obama’s response to this news.


5 posted on 05/03/2008 6:25:18 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Mark
I will enjoy Obama’s response to this news.

Me, I can't wait to watch all the heads start exploding over at DU, HuffPo and the Kos. ;)

6 posted on 05/03/2008 6:27:04 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
No justice, no peace.


7 posted on 05/03/2008 6:28:50 PM PDT by Jim Noble (ride 'em like you stole 'em)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Finally, Dean argued that the Democrats’ system is “still more democratic than the [system used by the] Republicans” — you know, the system where the voters choose all the delegates. Stewart let him get away with that one.

Of course he did.

Jon Stewart is to the Democratic party as Carlita Kilpatrick is to Kwame, as Hillary is to Bill, and as Silda Spitzer is to Elliott.

8 posted on 05/03/2008 6:29:04 PM PDT by MichiganMan (So you bought that big vehicle and now want to whine about how much it costs to fill it? Seriously?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The solution is simple. With the USFL solution, the Florida and Michigan delegations are seated, but collectively they ony count for three delegates each. Florida would be divvied up with each person counting as about 1/52 of a delegate. They have half delegates already, so why not? So Clinton would get about 2 delegates, and Uncommitted would get 1. Florida people would count as about 1/70th of a delegate, and Clinton would get two delegates and Obama one. This way, every vote counts, everyone gets to go and have a good time, and Florida and Michigan, who tried to increase their influence on the primaries by breaking party rules, get punished.


9 posted on 05/03/2008 6:29:12 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (Not a newbie, I just wanted a new screen name.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

They would be justified in exploding. Obama was not on the ballot in MI by agreement with the other contenders. Sounds hosed to me.


10 posted on 05/03/2008 6:29:35 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: Mark

“I will enjoy Obama’s response to this news.”

If Florida and Michigan are seated at6 the convention, and their votes are counted, there will be riots in the streets because The Magic Mulatto will not get the nomination.


11 posted on 05/03/2008 6:30:09 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: trussell; Joe Brower

Ping.


12 posted on 05/03/2008 6:30:13 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: ought-six

Right you are, ought-six!

Nut just because they are SEATED doesn’t mean they’ll be COUNTED! I don’t trust Dean any farther than I could throw him. If FL and MI are counted, Adios, Obama!


13 posted on 05/03/2008 6:33:35 PM PDT by levotb
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Hold that thought. I need to go pop the corn.


14 posted on 05/03/2008 6:34:29 PM PDT by highimpact (Abortion - [n]: human sacrifice at the altar of convenience.)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Whoa. This should be in breaking news!


15 posted on 05/03/2008 6:36:02 PM PDT by lonevoice (John McCain was a Kinoki foot pad in the Reagan Revolution)
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To: ought-six

Operation Chaos!


16 posted on 05/03/2008 6:36:20 PM PDT by kempo (c)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

And so it begins.

The Clintons are pulling in their markers,


17 posted on 05/03/2008 6:38:56 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
In order to watch this video, I had to first get my barf bag - Stewart and Dean - just the names are enough to make one wretch

That said -= I heard Stewart actually say something that I have been screaming for weeks - that we should have in an ad running day and night: In regards to the way the demRAts are running their primary campaign = "How do you expect to run the country!"

18 posted on 05/03/2008 6:46:16 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: ought-six

“If Florida and Michigan are seated at6 the convention, and their votes are counted, there will be riots in the streets because The Magic Mulatto will not get the nomination.”

You really think McGovern light is going to get the nomination? Hillary has this locked up. They are both going through the motions for when Hillary wins, Obama can say it is time for the healing process. He will be the courageous one and Hillary will be forced to put him on the ticket.

Watch. Obama does not have to have Hillary as the VP. Hillary has to have Obama.


19 posted on 05/03/2008 6:49:09 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Shouldn't the libs love a Hunter Thompson ticket in 08?)
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To: levotb
Nut just because they are SEATED doesn’t mean they’ll be COUNTED! I don’t trust Dean any farther than I could throw him.

Dean actually said this - that they would seat Florida and Michigan but their delegates won't count.

Talk about make your head spin.

They know that if they don't seat them, they will loose them in the fall.

So they think by just seating them, like wooden dumbbells, without allowing them to count, is going to fool them all into a cum-ba-yah moment come Nov.

The state of the dem party:


20 posted on 05/03/2008 6:53:28 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Typical Gun-Toting, Jesus-Loving Gramma)
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To: PJ-Comix; Charles Henrickson; Mr. Silverback

The DUmmies are going to be shrieking themselves silly over this, any moment now. Consider this your courtesy “heads up.” ;)


21 posted on 05/03/2008 6:54:10 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
There will be blood in the water tonight. All hands over to DU to watch the carnage.
22 posted on 05/03/2008 6:55:08 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Look both ways when crossing the street son and don't throw Gramma under the bus!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"It’s gonna be quite a juggling act"

Send in the clowns.

23 posted on 05/03/2008 7:01:06 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Maybe this isn’t such a joke after all:

And the Next US President Will be?

Bill Marosen / Daily Squib (satire) | March 24, 2008

NEW YORK - USA - Henry Kissinger reveals how a secret meeting in the Brookestreet Hotel, Ontario Canada in 2006 determined who would be the next US President in the November 2008 elections.

Henry Kissinger knows who the next President of the United States of America is going to be and the Daily Squib’s political correspondent cornered the former White House lurker in his luxury Manhattan apartment and asked him the inevitable question about the Presidency.

The elder statesman makes a grand entrance in his wheelchair. The sprightly 84 year old looks as demonic as ever and is dressed immaculately in his fine silk smoking jacket and expensive crimson red slippers. He is looked after by a troupe of hand picked young nurses who fawn over his every need.

Kissinger of course is renowned for his time in the Nixon government and the famous quotation of his stating that “Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy,” quoted from the book “Final Days” by Woodward and Bernstein seems to be more relevant today than when it was first uttered.

He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973, a decision which had a rich sense of irony in itself.

Kissinger’s decisions during his long tenure for countless US Presidents ultimately cost many millions of lives in conflicts like Cambodia and Vietnam.

This man who once held immense Machiavellian world power is the one to ask, I tentatively bring myself to ask the question. Who will win the US Presidency?

“Let me tell you about the system, it is all a big show for all the masses. We chose the next ‘leader’ a long time ago. We are simply playing an age old game of pretend. It’s like watching a wrestling match, it’s all bull and yet everyone still watches it,” Kissinger chortles and lights another menthol perched on his elegant mother of pearl embossed cigarette holder.

Kissinger lives in modest style, the luxurious Italian marble floors are decked with 18th century furniture languishing amongst the finest Persian carpets we have ever seen. He waves his hand and the blonde nurse slinks away for a second exposing her garter underneath her whitewashed uniform. Kissinger’s overfull colostomy bag hangs from his wheelchair and resembles an over stretched tick on a dogs back ripe for the bursting.

“I am not going to tell you who attended the Bilderberg meeting which I chair but as you may have already heard, all prospective Presidents and Prime Ministers who have attended previously have gone onto becoming their respective countries leader.”

Bilderberg has a proven history of acting in a kingmaker capacity. Both Bill Clinton and Tony Blair attended before becoming President and Prime Minister.

Did Hillary attend the Bilderberg meeting in 2006?

Kissinger pauses for a second then lets off a large fart. His eyes roll back in their sockets in obvious ecstasy. He then gestures for one of his nurses and whispers in her ear. She giggles then saunters off squeaking her plimsolls on the marble. The nurse returns with a glass of 1945 Mouton Rothschild and hands it to Kissinger.

“I am a great fan of the Daily Squib and make a point of reading your excellent website every day but let me tell you my dear friends, Obama will never be President because of his colour. McCain is too old and a liability. That leaves one candidate who may or may not have attended the Bilderberg meeting in Ottowa,” Kissinger smiles wryly then takes a sip of the Mouton Rothschild.

It seems the interview may be over sooner than we had thought. We are ushered out of the ornate room into a hallway with walls plastered from floor to ceiling with photographs of Kissinger standing next to all of the luminaries of the last fifty years.


24 posted on 05/03/2008 7:01:33 PM PDT by modyoulater (Everything is everything.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

If this is no joke,

Obama has lost Michigan and Florida.

The black vote will not vote for Hillary.

Hillary will win the nomination.

McCain will win the presidency.


25 posted on 05/03/2008 7:05:25 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: maine-iac7

As long as we can beat them (even if it has to be with McCain) I couldn’t care less what the Dems do.


26 posted on 05/03/2008 7:06:00 PM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Finally, Dean argued that the Democrats’ system is “still more democratic than the [system used by the] Republicans” — you know, the system where the voters choose all the delegates.

Of course, the major issue is not whether the Michigan and Florida delegations will be seated, but whether they will be seated so as to make a difference. Or not.

This is called manipulation of the vote -- something Democrats are expert at.

27 posted on 05/03/2008 7:06:52 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
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If you would like to be added or dropped from the Michigan ping list, please freepmail me.

28 posted on 05/03/2008 7:07:41 PM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

DEAN IS A WUSS.

The Democraps are all wusses. They can’t live by their own rules.

DNC — Dimocrat National Cave-in.

But then, Hillary did say she was going to do what it takes to win, didn’t she?


29 posted on 05/03/2008 7:08:12 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (http://auntiecoosa.blogspot.com -- read, learn, blog, or get out of my way.)
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To: Mark

If he was smart he would issue a statement that under no circumstances would he accept the VP spot.
That would be best for the Republicans too.
Hillary wo Obama and blacks stay home.
Obama wo Hillary and many of her votes go McCain.

We are much better off if Obama is the nominee... I can’t see Hillary taking the VP slot...better to sink Obama and wait for 2012.


30 posted on 05/03/2008 7:09:37 PM PDT by Bobalu (What do I know, I'm a Typical White Guy)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Howard Dean appeared on the Daily Show"

I don't know who's the bigger liberal retard, Dean or Stewart.
31 posted on 05/03/2008 7:11:42 PM PDT by infantrywhooah
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To: All

Doesn’t bode well for Denver...what a mess


32 posted on 05/03/2008 7:12:56 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Watch. Obama does not have to have Hillary as the VP. Hillary has to have Obama.

I agree wholeheartedly

33 posted on 05/03/2008 7:16:45 PM PDT by estrogen (.)
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To: sionnsar

Not really. It would be a better match up. Hillary won’t win.


34 posted on 05/03/2008 7:17:17 PM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
What have I been saying? Today: yes, MI and FL will be counted. Tomorrow: No, MI and FL will not be counted. Repeat until August.

These guys flipflop so much I'm going to need a Dramamine.

35 posted on 05/03/2008 7:19:32 PM PDT by LiberConservative ("Typical" White Guy)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I think Florida will cream Michigan. I don’t see why Big Ten teams should be allowed in the BCS title game.

I hate to say this as a Buckeye, but uh, Michigan beat Florida in their bowl game (rather handily). Only time I've ever rooted for the U of M.
36 posted on 05/03/2008 7:20:02 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

There is an easy solution to have both states votes count. Michigan should be incorporated into Ohio and Florida should do likewise with Georgia. Problem solved.


37 posted on 05/03/2008 7:20:07 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The Democrats are coming to the realization that Obama is unelectable. It took Jeremiah Wright to convince them, and even so they were slow...very slow.


38 posted on 05/03/2008 7:20:08 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
YES!!!

Thanks very much for the heads up. Now, to get some popcorn!

39 posted on 05/03/2008 7:20:40 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: mdittmar

Forget the clowns.Time to send in the guy with the black hood and big curved blade ax.Howard Dean is done after this fiasco.


40 posted on 05/03/2008 7:21:12 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Savage Beast
It took Jeremiah Wright to convince them

I believe Hillary has known about Wright for a long time. The timing of his exposure was a master stroke.

41 posted on 05/03/2008 7:23:20 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Jim Noble

That will be in August, except the pictures will be in color. This news makes a DNC civil war much more likely.


42 posted on 05/03/2008 7:30:25 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Semper911
Yep.

I think Rush Limbaugh may be in for an unpleasant surprise too. Operation Chaos just might backfire.

43 posted on 05/03/2008 7:31:53 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Popcorn futures are going to go through the roof.


44 posted on 05/03/2008 7:35:07 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Speaking of Dr. Dean...he’s on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace tomorrow.


45 posted on 05/03/2008 7:40:15 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; ButThreeLeftsDo

We will CHANGE the rules for Florida, and Michigan, and D.C., and California, and Guam....YEEEEEHAAWWWW!
46 posted on 05/03/2008 7:40:41 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just Say Nobama!)
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To: Joe Brower

Florida Democrat NUTS ping!


47 posted on 05/03/2008 7:41:42 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just Say Nobama!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Wow, Michelle Obama is going to have a cow when she hears this!


48 posted on 05/03/2008 7:44:23 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Heck - Obama wasn’t even ON THE BALLOT in Michigan...


49 posted on 05/03/2008 7:51:46 PM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Savage Beast

It won’t backfire. Operation Chaos does not change anything. It only exposes the problem. The Republican candidate was chosen by the media foisted in high speed fashion. This is the same thing only in slow motion.


50 posted on 05/03/2008 7:52:22 PM PDT by Shanty Shaker
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