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States Seek to Pass Bills Cracking Down on Fake Firearms
FOXNews.com ^ | Saturday, May 03, 2008 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/03/2008 9:56:18 PM PDT by huldah1776

Concerns that realistic-looking toy weapons are confusing police and threatening safety have led 15 states to try going beyond gun control and cracking down on fake firearms. ... Lawmakers across the country are coming to a different conclusion, deciding that it is so hard to differentiate the toys from the fakes that public safety demands they take action.

...from prohibiting imitation firearms in vehicles to banning the toys from convenience stores.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndammendment; banglist; guncontrol; toyguns
Could this be used as a back door into more gun control?
1 posted on 05/03/2008 9:56:19 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

The market for adolescent slingshots should go up. Watch the trends little guys (and girls).


2 posted on 05/03/2008 10:02:03 PM PDT by allmost
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To: huldah1776

Trying to hold someone up with a passable fake just might get someone shot.

Every state varies, but here (ND) the reasonable belief that you were in immediate danger of serious injury or death is cited in the Century Code as reason for the employment of lethal force.


3 posted on 05/03/2008 10:04:13 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: huldah1776

Duplicate thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2010856/posts


4 posted on 05/03/2008 10:07:05 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Guess they need to ban Matchbox cars too, just in case Timmy is on his school guvmint mandated mind altering drugs.
Can’t allow a pretend DWI can we..


5 posted on 05/03/2008 10:09:23 PM PDT by herewego (Got .45?)
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To: herewego
I would wager that a pretend DWI with a matchbox car won't end in a high speed chase, where the other case might have a police officer shooting some kid with a realistic looking toy gun.

I am not saying I agree with the ban idea, but I can see where some nitwit playing stickup with a fake could get killed for their stupidity.

To me, that is part Darwin Award moment, and partly indicative of how far our culture in general has slid down the slope when there might be presumption that someone's kid is running around with a real firearm and malicious intent, rather than playing 'cops and robbers' or 'army' with a realistic looking toy.

Jurisdictions will probably go for this type of ordinance just to try to avoid the liability exposure and headlines of "Cop Shoots Kid With Toy Gun" when some 'banger was really trying to hold up the local 7-11.

CCW holders don't have the thin blue line to hide behind, and depending on your local laws and the identity of the victim, should you decide to shoot in such a case, things could get really nasty for you if you intervene and the 'gun' the perp has is nothing but a toy, especially if you end up in a situation where the race card gets played.

6 posted on 05/03/2008 10:27:17 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: huldah1776

A question this story brought to mind earlier today. Would it be illegal to paint the end of the barrel of a real gun bright orange?


7 posted on 05/03/2008 10:31:57 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: allmost

“The market for adolescent slingshots should go up”

Well a wrist rocket is a more formidable weapon than some small callibers


8 posted on 05/03/2008 10:35:18 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: huldah1776

Europe leads,

and the Constitution bleeds.


9 posted on 05/03/2008 10:36:09 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: Smokin' Joe
things could get really nasty for you if you intervene and the 'gun' the perp has is nothing but a toy, especially if you end up in a situation where the race card gets played.

Had that happen to me in San Francisco, in 1971.

A new Caddie parked, and a well dressed black man got out; across the street & up stairs, the drapes twitched, and what looked like a .45 started tracking him as he walked. This was a poorer, mixed but mostly black area, and both he & the car were very out of place.

I was loading my car for a deer hunting trip, so hid in my recessed doorway, took a bead...AND WAITED FOR A SHOT TO BE FIRED.

The man entered a nearby building, and then a black kid with a toy gun came into full view from behind the drapes. I stood down, and told my wife she wouldn't need to phone the police after all.

Yep; the race card would have been in play, big time.

10 posted on 05/03/2008 10:50:38 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: huldah1776
"Could this be used as a back door to more gun control?"


Hmmmmmmm, could be!


11 posted on 05/03/2008 11:02:25 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: ApplegateRanch
...the drapes twitched, and what looked like a .45 started tracking him as he walked.

I am glad for your sake (not to mention the kid, et. al.) that you waited and made sure of your target (though with a handle like yours, I'd expect no less).

This is why we teach our grandkids to not even point toy guns at people...

It is a pity, really, when I think of the countless hours we spent playing 'army' in a time when it was widely assumed that the children had toys, but we just aren't there any more.

12 posted on 05/03/2008 11:04:52 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: huldah1776

Maybe.


13 posted on 05/03/2008 11:17:26 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
It is a pity, really, when I think of the countless hours we spent playing 'army' in a time when it was widely assumed that the children had toys,

And cops & robbers; gangsters & G-men; cowboys & Indians; even (a few of us) aliens & Space Rangers.

In the previous generation, a few went too far, though. One of my uncles was a "cowboy", and the "Indians" who captured him burned him at the stake, with real fire. Did a LOT of damage to one of his lower legs, making walking difficult & painful the rest of his life...but that didn't stop him from serving as a grunt in the Pacific Theater for three years.

14 posted on 05/03/2008 11:21:10 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: huldah1776

Pretty much off topic, but I went to purchase a .22 rifle yesterday. While I’ve done the paperwork before, it’s still mind-boggling the amount of government needed to allow me to buy a squirrel gun.

The Founding Fathers would not recognize this place; not for our advances in technology, but our remission into authoritarianism.


15 posted on 05/04/2008 3:01:13 AM PDT by kenth (I have a apolitical blues)
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To: kenth

Buy from a private party. No need for paperwork, or nosy government types getting into your business.


16 posted on 05/04/2008 5:05:59 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Change.....that's what we will have left in our pockets if a Democrat gets elected president!)
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To: huldah1776

Yeh. I’ve always had this image that one day I’d be working on the roof, and some idiot would call the cops reporting “man with a gun.”

The SWAT team pulls up with its M60 machinegun and mortar resolution team, spots me on the roof and opens fire to disarm me.

I tumble off the roof into the wife’s rose bushes, filled with about 250 high caliber holes.

A cop runs up and delivers a coup de grace. “Oh my God!” shouts the cop. “He’s got a 14 volt cordless screwdriver.” Another cop walks over and says “He shoulda called a professional roofer or used Stanley’s non-eletric ratchet screwdriver.”

Then we get this headline the next day: “Homeowner Screwed by Government Again.” And the next day the liberal legislature passes a bill outlawing cordless screwdrivers, and names it the sergeantdave cordless assault screwdriver ban.

My name ends up as the focus of millions of cynical aphorisms for next 10,000 years. Not a way I’d want to go.


17 posted on 05/04/2008 5:26:27 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: sergeantdave

Great tagline, sergeantdave!


18 posted on 05/04/2008 6:41:30 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Change.....that's what we will have left in our pockets if a Democrat gets elected president!)
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To: huldah1776

I’m sorry but I don’t understand the problem. Shouldn’t we ISSUE fake guns that can’t shoot back to robbers, burglars and muggers???


19 posted on 05/04/2008 6:57:58 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: ApplegateRanch
My wife intervened in a similar situation where one of her younger sisters had been tied to a tree and the fire laid and lit, but it wasn't going well enough to do major damage.

Considering that they are Chippewa, I am not sure who the 'cowboys' were... Thankfully, no damage was done, and the fire was extinguished. Naturally, the kids scattered.

The worst we did was (knowingly) chuck the occasional rock as part of a dirt clod 'grenade', so I guess we were pretty mild by comparison.

20 posted on 05/04/2008 9:34:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Figment

They are already doing that. I’ve also heard that some criminal types are actually painting whole guns to look like the dummies cops use in training.

Regards,


21 posted on 05/04/2008 9:43:26 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: huldah1776

Problem seems self correcting. Don’t point fake or real guns at the law or you’ll be dead.

As long as you aint stupid there is no safety issue here.

If you are stoopid. Stay in school.


22 posted on 05/04/2008 10:43:10 AM PDT by festus (Tagline removed.)
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To: Figment

Actually heard from a bb gun owner that the illegal mexicans were painting their guns with orange tips to smuggle them over the boarder—but that is pure hearsay.


23 posted on 05/04/2008 4:35:29 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Crim

Sorry, first thread post and was so nervous, forgot to check for duplicate. Shouldn’t happen again for another 3 years.


24 posted on 05/04/2008 4:44:38 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: huldah1776

Bah,..dont worry about it...I’m not the forum cop...

I was just pointing it out...

Welcome...


25 posted on 05/04/2008 7:43:15 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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