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McCain Finds His Own Radical Friend
Townhall.com ^ | http://townhall.com/Columnists/SteveChapman/2008/05/04/mccain_finds_his_own_radical_friend | Steve Chapman

Posted on 05/04/2008 7:06:00 AM PDT by Kaslin

Can a presidential candidate justify a long and friendly relationship with someone who, back in the 1970s, extolled violence and committed crimes in the name of a radical ideology -- and who has never shown remorse or admitted error? When the candidate in question is Barack Obama, John McCain says no. But when the candidate in question is John McCain, he's not so sure.

Obama has been justly criticized for his ties to former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers, who in 1995 hosted a campaign event for Obama and in 2001 gave him a $200 contribution. The two have also served together on the board of a foundation. When their connection became known, McCain minced no words: "I think not only a repudiation but an apology for ever having anything to do with an unrepentant terrorist is due the American people."

What McCain didn't mention is that he has his own Bill Ayers -- in the form of G. Gordon Liddy. Now a conservative radio talk show host, Liddy spent more than four years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him.

How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns -- including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

Which principles would those be? The ones that told Liddy it was fine to break in to the office of the Democratic National Committee to plant bugs and photograph documents? The ones that made him propose to kidnap antiwar activists so they couldn't disrupt the 1972 Republican convention? The ones that inspired him to plan the murder (never carried out) of an unfriendly newspaper columnist?

Liddy was in the thick of the biggest political scandal in American history -- and one of the greatest threats to the rule of law. He has said he has no regrets about what he did, insisting that he went to jail as "a prisoner of war."

All this may sound like ancient history. But it's from the same era as the bombings Ayers helped carry out as a member of the Weather Underground. And Liddy's penchant for extreme solutions has not abated.

In 1994, after the disastrous federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, he gave some advice to his listeners: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches."

He later backed off, saying he meant merely that people should defend themselves if federal agents came with guns blazing. But his amended guidance was not exactly conciliatory: Liddy also said he should have recommended shots to the groin instead of the head. If that wasn't enough to inflame any nut cases, he mentioned labeling targets "Bill" and "Hillary" when he practiced shooting.

In 1994, after the disastrous federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, he gave some advice to his listeners: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches."

He later backed off, saying he meant merely that people should defend themselves if federal agents came with guns blazing. But his amended guidance was not exactly conciliatory: Liddy also said he should have recommended shots to the groin instead of the head. If that wasn't enough to inflame any nut cases, he mentioned labeling targets "Bill" and "Hillary" when he practiced shooting.

Given Liddy's record, it's hard to see why McCain would touch him with a 10-foot pole. On the contrary, he should be returning his donations and shunning his show. Yet the senator shows no qualms about associating with Liddy -- or celebrating his service to their common cause.

How does McCain explain his howling hypocrisy on the subject? He doesn't. I made repeated inquiries to his campaign aides, which they refused to acknowledge, much less answer. On this topic, the pilot of the Straight Talk Express would rather stay parked in the garage.

That's an odd policy for someone who is so forthright about his rival's responsibility. McCain thinks Obama should apologize for associating with a criminal extremist. To which Obama might reply: After you.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; ayers; desperatedems; dopeydems; ggordonliddy; liddy; mccain; talkradio
The huge difference is G. Gordon Liddy never was or is a terrorist, unlike Bill Ayers
1 posted on 05/04/2008 7:06:00 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

His Juan Hernandez friend is radical enough for me to not vote for John MCShame.


2 posted on 05/04/2008 7:08:08 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Kaslin

Well there you go, throw thwm all out and let’s start the process all over again.


3 posted on 05/04/2008 7:11:03 AM PDT by benjamin032
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To: Kaslin

Liddy?! LOL! Liddy is the LEAST of McCain’s problems.


4 posted on 05/04/2008 7:12:09 AM PDT by TADSLOS (John McCain for President of the League of Democracies. No borders required.)
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To: Kaslin

Is Mr. Chapman always like this ? I don’t think even the rats would say something this dumb , but I have learned the hard way to never misunderestimated them .


5 posted on 05/04/2008 7:12:30 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: TADSLOS

John Hagee will be his Rev. Wright.


6 posted on 05/04/2008 7:15:34 AM PDT by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: Kaslin
What McCain didn't mention is that he has his own Bill Ayers -- in the form of G. Gordon Liddy.

Wow....this is so pathetically weak.

7 posted on 05/04/2008 7:16:56 AM PDT by edpc (Republican Attack Machine Field Service Technician)
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To: chicagolady

Who then....staying home?


8 posted on 05/04/2008 7:23:24 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Kaslin

“”Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches.””

What the hell is wrong with this statement? I think he hit the nail on the head, or perhaps more applicably, the X-ring.


9 posted on 05/04/2008 7:24:08 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: Kaslin
Liddy also said he should have recommended shots to the groin ... If that wasn't enough to inflame any nut cases

That would undoubtedly inflame my cases.

10 posted on 05/04/2008 7:24:59 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: kbennkc

Unfortunately, yes. although he is more supportive of the 2nd Amendment than the Chicago Trib editorial board and he claims to be a libertarian, a lot of his columns seem to be defined by the first three letters of that word: L-I-B.


11 posted on 05/04/2008 7:26:14 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: FES0844

I don’t think so. Hagee is nothing like Wright.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080428/EDITORIAL/855698663/1013


12 posted on 05/04/2008 7:27:03 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: FES0844

Is John Hagee his 20 year spiritual mentor? No, OK. Case closed.


13 posted on 05/04/2008 7:27:06 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Kaslin
That whole BATF quote is if then come in your house, armed, unannounced, after the wrong guy and start shooting - as they have done on numerous occasions.

He;s right. The BATF were called jackbooted government thugs by Wayne LaPierre for a good reason. They were called jackboot fascists by John Dingell for a good reason.

Disband them.

14 posted on 05/04/2008 7:27:53 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Kaslin
He never was and isn't a terrorist. He also took responsibility for his actions and served his time for doing those actions. Boy, the Clintons opposition research is already in high gear. What next? I thought that we knew pretty much all there is to know about McCain as he's been in the Senate for so long. Even if there's nothing more scandalous to find the MSM will blow small things out of proportion in order to serve their Masters in the Democrat party.
15 posted on 05/04/2008 7:28:11 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Kaslin
Headline:

McCain's friend advocated for enemy before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Consulted with Viet Minh in Paris. Just as dangerous as Ayers

Washington, D.C. May 4, 2008. Senator John McCain's long-time friend and senator from Massachusetts John Kerry . . . .

16 posted on 05/04/2008 7:28:29 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Kaslin

Being friends with the G-Man is a plus.


17 posted on 05/04/2008 7:29:05 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Kaslin

Whoa! I was afraid this headline might be true, revealing some unexecuted traitor I had never heard about.
Then... G. Gordon Liddy!
If they pull out Oliver North I will have to totally revise my view of McCain.
Moving way up in my opinion.


18 posted on 05/04/2008 7:30:25 AM PDT by vae_victus (semper laboro frustra)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah. I was thinking I’d missed the part about Gordon planting bombs. That said, it’s probably good for the G-Man that he and John Dean don’t spend a lot of time around each other any more. Not to mention good for Dean.


19 posted on 05/04/2008 7:38:15 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: FES0844

Did McCain ever give Hagee’s church $26,000? Did Hagee Baptise Juan’s kids? Or perform his marriage? You reason like a Democrat.


20 posted on 05/04/2008 7:39:13 AM PDT by csmusaret (John McCain is the evil of three lessers)
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To: FES0844

Ha! What tripe!


21 posted on 05/04/2008 7:40:29 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Kaslin
RE: Liddy and federal agents.

I remember that. As I recall Liddy was very specific. It was the hostage rescue team (HRT) that stirred his ire. He was clear about his admiration for the FBI as a whole. I do not remember specifics about the BATF.

However I do believe that the original "serving of the warrant" was dubbed by the BATF as "Operation Showtime" and media employees were invited to cover the BATF expertise and value to the nation -- otherwise, walking up to Koresh and handing him the warrant the next time he came into to town would have done just fine.

22 posted on 05/04/2008 7:40:59 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: chicagolady

I thought that this would be about Juan Hernandez, and it’s about...G Gordon Liddy??? Sheesh. Yes, he has a radical on his team, but it’s not Liddy. It’s the traitor Hernandez. Stupid media.


23 posted on 05/04/2008 7:41:03 AM PDT by mrsmel (I have principles too, McCain! And I'm a maverick against your candidacy!)
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To: Darren McCarty

Actually, the BATF were called jack-booted thugs by Congressman John Dingell, who’s er, a leading Democrat and a liberal (except on guns) and has been in Congress, like, since forever.


24 posted on 05/04/2008 7:46:11 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: Kaslin

The huge difference is G. Gordon Liddy never was or is a terrorist, unlike Bill Ayers

Exactly.


25 posted on 05/04/2008 7:49:02 AM PDT by chainsaw ( No black racist Muslims in the WH either)
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To: edpc

No comparison between Ayers and Liddy. None. Whoever thinks the two are the same is brain dead.


26 posted on 05/04/2008 7:51:22 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (Just Say Nobama!)
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To: mrsmel; chicagolady

Juan Hernandez is not even mentioned in the article, why chicagolady is bringing him up, is beyond me


27 posted on 05/04/2008 7:51:43 AM PDT by Kaslin (Peace is the aftermath of victory)
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To: Kaslin

This is absolutely absurd to compare Bill Ayers with G. Gordon Liddy.


28 posted on 05/04/2008 7:58:48 AM PDT by libertylover (How does enabling Mrs. Clinton or Obama help The United States of America?)
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To: libertylover

Gordon Liddy: 1) was not a terrorist; 2) didn’t have a girlfriend who planned to blow up the Fort Dix NCO barracks with a nail bomb but was fotunately not very adept at dynamite asd was herself blown up that very afternoon; 3) was not married to Bernadine Dohrn, who reportedly praised the Manson murder gang; 4) was not an aider and abetter of the North Vietnamese or other enemies of America. In addition, unlike the little richboy wimp William Ayers who planted sneak bombs and protected himself by hiding under his wealthy, influential father’s coattails, Gordon Liddy was and is a man. I could go on for hours; there is no similarity between Liddy and the trashheap that calls himself William Ayers.


29 posted on 05/04/2008 8:09:53 AM PDT by laconic
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To: Kaslin; chicagolady
*** Juan Hernandez is not even mentioned in the article, why chicagolady is bringing him up, is beyond me ****

Excuse me for butting in but look at the Headline, "McCain Finds His Own Radical Friend". That's why.

Juan Hernandez IS a Radical. A Mexican National, oops dual citizen, Radical. He believes in and supports the Reconquistas, some (most?) of whom advocate 'taking back' the American SW by armed force. And Hernandez is one of McCain's top campaign people.

Ergo, CL's comment.
And if McCain doesn't dump Hernandez pdq. Obama will be sitting in the oval office.

30 posted on 05/04/2008 8:19:35 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Kaslin

McCain is friends with Liddy?

That puts him one step up in my book.


31 posted on 05/04/2008 8:20:34 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: FES0844

Why, Hagee isn’t McCain’s pastor.


32 posted on 05/04/2008 8:21:10 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Kaslin; All
Is this article from TownHall for real??? How completely ridiculous to compare G. Gordon Liddy with Bill Ayers! While I look for some info on the Watergate incident (Pentagon Papers, etc) please review the following. Daniel Ellsberg, btw, who 'acquired' the Pentagon Papers and then passed them along to the New York Slime...i mean Times , is a signatory to the 'World Can't Wait' call to 'Drive Out the Bush Regime'. World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime is a Maoist front organization for the Revolutionary Communist Party founded by Charles Clark Kissinger , a longtime leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party .

Watergate timeline:

"1964: U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War officially begins.

Daniel Ellsberg begins work at The Pentagon.

Ellsberg acquires the Pentagon Papers.

Ellsberg gives copies to Neil Sheehan.

June 13, 1971: The New York Times begins to publish them.

The Washington Post soon follows. Richard Nixon reacts with outrage."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_timeline

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Granted, McCain has some serious flaws, but consider the far worse alternatives...


McCain on lower right



In August of 1968, a program of vigorous torture methods began on McCain, using rope bindings into painful positions and beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[84][79] Teeth and bones were broken again, as was McCain's spirit; the beginning of a suicide attempt was stopped by guards.[79] After four days of this, McCain signed and taped[94] an anti-American propaganda "confession" that said, in part, "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died, and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors."[79] He used stilted Communist jargon and ungrammatical language to signal that the statement was forced.[89]. Source

Also see:
John McCain, Prisoner of War: A First-Person Account
By John S. McCain III, Lieut. Commander, U.S. Navy;
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html

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OK, so that's Senator McCain's story. Now here's what Obama's pal Bill Ayers and his slime ball friends were up to during this same time period...

November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience: "I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
Source: http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas: "We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right."
--Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

From 1972: "I am not a do-gooder, I am a revolutionary. A revolutionary woman."

Source for most of the Jane Fonda material:
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

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Obama's pal and associate, the "english teacher", as he described him in a recent debate, Bill Ayers and his communist revolutionary Weather Underground terrorist organization:

Some of you may have seen parts of this before, but I've added some new stuff and rearranged it quite a bit. Be sure to check out the latest addition regarding Ayers' group being trained by KGB agents while in Cuba. It's a long read but an important one if you really want to know what kind of people Barack Obama has selected to associate himself with. ie, they weren't just "domestic terrorists", they were revolutionary communist "domestic terrorists" who actually allied themselves with the Viet Cong. They were only against the war because they wanted South Vietnam to fall to the North. In fact, both Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn, to this day, openly admit they're communist, yet Hannity, Limbaugh and nearly every other popular conservative pundit refuses to call them such and get into these sorts of 'details'!

Fortunately, as an organization, the Weather Underground didn't kill anyone, other than three of their own in the NYC townhouse explosion. But they definitely tried.

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
March 6, 1970: "three members of the Weather Underground accidentally killed themselves in a Manhattan townhouse while attempting to build a powerful bomb they had intended to plant at a social dance in Fort Dix, New Jersey -- an event that was to be attended by U.S. Army soldiers. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plot been successfully executed."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

"The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
The bomb was packed with nails to inflict maximum casualties upon detonation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"On October 20, 1981 -- long after the Weather Underground had ceased to exist -- former Underground member Kathy Boudin and her soon-to-be husband, David Gilbert, were accomplices in the robbery of a Brinks armored car in Nyack, New York. In the course of that heist, one Brinks guard and two Nyack police officers were murdered. Also involved in the robbery was Judith Clark, who had served a prison term for her participation in the 'Days of Rage.' Boudin hired attorney Leonard Weinglass, a law partner of her father, to defend her in the case.

Weinglass arranged for a plea bargain whereby Boudin pled guilty to one count of felony murder and robbery, in exchange for a prison sentence of twenty years to life. She was paroled in 2003, however, over strong opposition from New York State police. Gilbert remains in New York's Attica State Prison, having refused to bargain.

In 1985, former Weather Underground members Susan Rosenberg (who also was implicated in the Nyack robbery) and Linda Evans were apprehended while transporting 740 pounds of explosives which they both acknowledged were slated for use in additional bombings. Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years in prison, Evans 40; President Bill Clinton pardoned both women in January 2001."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

The 1981 Former Weather Underground members/Black Liberation Army Brinks truck robbery/murder:

"David J. Gilbert, 37, rented the vehicle that same day in the Bronx. Gilbert was a long time member of the Weather Underground and a fugitive from the state of Colorado where he faced charges of assault and possession of explosives. The passenger in the front seat of the U Haul was Kathy Boudin, on the run from the law since the townhouse explosion in 1970. The couple had dropped off their one-year old child with a babysitter in the morning and was waiting for the return of the red van."

"In the back of the red van were Cecilio 'Chui' Ferguson, 35, Samuel Brown AKA Solomon Bouines, 41, Samuel Smith AKA Mtayari Sundiata, 37, and Donald Weems AKA Kuwasi Balagoon, 35. There were others present, but it has never been proven who, or how many. All the men in back of the van were members of a group they called 'The Family.' Most of them had ties to the Black Panthers or the Black Liberation Army, radical political groups that had many violent confrontations with police during the 1970s."

"At approximately 3:55 p.m., Paige, a 24-year Brink's veteran and his partner, Joe Trombino, 48, exited the doors to the Mall rolling out the moneybags on a hand truck. They walked over to the Brink's truck and began to load up the bags onto the rear deck. Simultaneously, the red van pulled up and the rear doors swung open. One of the suspects, armed with a shotgun, ran to the front of the truck and immediately fired two blasts directly at the bulletproof windshield. The guard in the front seat ducked just in time and was unhurt.

Another suspect, wearing a ski mask, opened up with his M-16 automatic rifle before his feet even hit the pavement, striking Paige in the neck, arm and chest. He was killed instantly.

Joe Trombino fired just one shot before he was hit several times in his upper arm and shoulder. The bullets all but severed his arm off his shoulder. "I've got no arm!" he screamed. But Trombino would survive that day, only to perish years later in another terrorist attack at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001."

Former Weather Underground members/Black Liberation Army Brinks robbery:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/terrorists/brinks/4.html

Allies in War
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001:

ON THE MORNING OF THE ATTACKS on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, along with a million other readers of the New York Times including many who would never be able to read the paper again, I opened its pages to be confronted by a color photo showing a middle-aged couple holding hands and affecting a defiant look at the camera. The article was headlined in an irony that could not have been more poignant, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives."

The couple pictured were Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, former leaders of the 1960s’ Weather Underground, America’s first terrorist cult. One of their bombing targets, as it happened, was the Pentagon.

"I don’t regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didn’t do enough." In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World [Maoist-communist] revolutionaries conquer and destroy it.

Taking charge of the podium, dressed in high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast."

Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"

(big snip)

Today William Ayers is not merely an author favored by the New York Times, but a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago.

His Lady Macbeth [Bernardine Dohrn] is not merely a lawyer, but a member of the American Bar Association’s governing elite, as well as the director of Northwestern University’s Children and Family Justice Center.
[it's true! see: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/aclu/]

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09

This next one is from WorldNetDaily:

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. Obama served on the board with Ayers, who was a Weathermen leader and has written about his involvement with the group's bombings of the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.

"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough," Ayers told the New York Times in an interview released on Sept. 11, 2001, "Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon," Ayers wrote in his memoirs, titled "Fugitive Days." He continued with a disclaimer that he didn't personally set the bombs, but his group set the explosives and planned the attack.

A $200 campaign contribution is listed on April 2, 2001 by the "Friends of Barack Obama" campaign fund. The two appeared speaking together at several public events, including a 1997 University of Chicago panel entitled, "Should a child ever be called a 'super predator?'" and another panel for the University of Illinois in April 2002, entitled, "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?"

The charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance. Ayers is married to another notorious Weathermen terrorist, Bernadine Dohrn, who has also served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the FBI's Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the "most dangerous woman in America." Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 [Brinks truck] murder and robbery that left 4 people [actually 3, 2 police officers and 1 Brinks truck guard] dead.

Article title: Obama worked with terrorist Senator helped fund organization that rejects 'racist' Israel's existence:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57231


"Sara Jane Olson and former fugitive Bernardine Dohrn chatted before Dohrn was to lead a panel discussion about conspiracy prosecutions of political activists in 2000. Olson (former Symbionese Liberation Front captor of Patty Hearst) has been sent back to prison for her role in a murder committed during a bank robbery, but **Dorhn and Ayers never had to serve a day in prison for their deeds in the Weather Underground, thanks to bleeding heart judges who threw the case out of court on a technicality."--source unknown

**"Dohrn once was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List. She served seven months in prison for refusing to cooperate with a grand jury investigating a 1981 armored truck robbery in Nyack, N.Y., in which two police officers were killed."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011101/aponline190504_000.htm

"All charges against him [Bill Ayers] were dropped because of prosecutorial misconduct during the long search for the fugitives. They later became legal guardians of Chesa Boudin, the son of former Weathermen David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, after his parents were arrested for their part in the Brinks Robbery of 1981.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

"During his fugitive years, Mr. Ayers said, he lived in 15 states, taking names of dead babies in cemeteries who were born in the same year as he. He describes the typical safe house: there were usually books by Malcolm X and Ho Chi Minh, and Che Guevara's picture in the bedroom; fermented Vietnamese fish sauce in the refrigerator, and live sourdough starter donated by a Native American that was reputed to have passed from hand to hand over a century."

(snip)

"Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as:

'Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but 'it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,' he said."

(snip)

"He also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to 'smash monogamy.' The Weathermen were 'an army of lovers,' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend."

From Sept 11, 2001, New York Times article/interview with Obama associate and friend, William/Bill Ayers.
Article title: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

Bill Ayers, TODAY, April 6, 2008, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity! Yet Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and nearly every other conservative commentator FAILS to mention that these people were and still are revolutionary communists. Instead, they describe them as simply "domestic terrorists". Seems nearly everyone these days is afraid to use the 'C' word! Even in this extremely rare case where one of them actually admits it.

Bill Ayers, April 6, 2008:
"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/

Note: Ayers is very likely quoting Bob Avakian, chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party, with the phrase 'both possible and necessary' in regards to a communist overthrow of the US government. See these Yahoo search results for "bob avakian" + "possible and necessary"--Eye On The Left

From wikipedia.com:
6 March 1970 – Another group blows themselves up when their 'bomb factory' located in New York's Greenwich Village accidentally explodes. WUO [Weather Underground] members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins die in this accident.

The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
The bomb was packed with nails to inflict maximum casualties upon detonation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference

[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]

April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
828 S. Wolcott

This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society.

I. Why Do Ideas Matter? (a keynote panel)

We introduce the “meta” theme of the conference by hearing “success stories” from diverse voices discussing their experiences intervening intellectually.

Timuel Black, Chicago activist; Prof. Emeritus, City Colleges of Chicago
Lonnie Bunch, President, Chicago Historical Society
Bernardine Dohrn, Northwestern University Law School, Children and Family Justice Center
Gerald Graff, UIC, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
Richard Rorty, Stanford University, Philosophy

III. Lunch and Public Encounters

Alternative breakout tours led by Chicago activists. Tours of Bronzeville and other communities, and visits to organizations that are working on partnering theorists with activists.

IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.

William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)

The Center for Public Intellectuals
University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC):
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm

"They're certainly friendly" --quote from 'Obama's chief strategist (and reigning expert on Chicago's political tribes), David Axelrod.'

"In July 1969, Dohrn, Eleanor Raskin, Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton, all representing 'Weatherman', as Dohrn's faction was now called, traveled to Cuba and met with representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"FBI files from 1976, recently made public under the Freedom of Information Act, confirm the connections between Weatherman, Havana, and Moscow. Weatherman leaders like Mark Rudd traveled illegally to Havana in 1968 to engage in terrorist training. There, camps set up by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine were educating Westerners both in Marxist philosophy and urban warfare."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

July 27, 1970: The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. [NYTimes, 7/27/70] :
See chronology of Weather Underground attacks, at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

33 posted on 05/04/2008 8:25:22 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Kaslin; All

And .. the other huge difference is that while in prison, Liddy gave his heart to Jesus. I’ve heard him give his testimony .. and how that experience totally changed his mind about a lot of things.

I dare say Mr. Wright could use a little “experience” himself.

But to equate him with Wright .. is just plain wrong.

This is just another attempt on the part of the left to justify a person like Wright .. and to .. once again .. tell us “everybody does it” .. even if the left has a nutcase on their hands .. but so does the right.

What this says is that the left still does not take responsibility for their own actions. Their candidate may go to a certain church for 20 years, but it has nothing to do with the person preaching .. and if people believe that .. I know of this bridge for sale in the middle of the desert they might also believe in.

And .. just for the record .. I have attended the same church for over 25 years - and my Pastor CAN speak for me. I’m not ashamed to believe what he teaches.


34 posted on 05/04/2008 8:30:58 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: Eye On The Left

Thank you; most helpful!


35 posted on 05/04/2008 8:41:42 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: All
Headline:

More friends of McCain's revealed. Many times more harmful than Ayers
Encouraged enemy. Extended the war costing tens of thousands of lives.

Washington, D.C. May 4, 2008. In the 1960s Hillary Rodham and Ted Kennedy were very vocal denouncing U.S. forces and were active in the "anti-war" movement . . . .

36 posted on 05/04/2008 8:47:59 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Kaslin

Liddy is a problem only for those that won’t vote for McCain in the first place.


37 posted on 05/04/2008 8:49:09 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (If you don't put it in context they will put it in their context.)
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To: Kaslin
Not only that, G.Gordon was never a liberal.
38 posted on 05/04/2008 8:50:58 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulf BeachClub)
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To: AmericanVictory
Thank you; most helpful!

You're most welcome. I'm just glad to help get the WHOLE story out about what we're really up against here (revolutionary communists, alive and well today). For some incredibly strange reason, even the conservative media doesn't want to get into these 'minor' details.

39 posted on 05/04/2008 8:53:32 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

the vvaw that kerry belonged to was in fact a communist terrorist org.
they plotted to murder 19 us senators, several were arrested with bombs going to an agnew speech.
I have read all 12,000 pages of the fbi file. to see my 50 post go to my about me page


40 posted on 05/04/2008 8:56:04 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: Kaslin

Liddy is not a terrorist. He’s just a former third rate burglar.

I might also add that Liddy’s radicalism springs from patriotism, not anti-Americanism.


41 posted on 05/04/2008 9:01:56 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Yes, I’d be far more concerned about John McCain’s warm associations with that well-known traitorous weasel Jon Cary, but we can’t expect the media or the Demagogues to show any concern about that......


42 posted on 05/04/2008 9:35:59 AM PDT by Enchante (Obama: My 1930s Foreign Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Social Policy!)
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To: Kaslin

McCain is a Mo Udall Republican. That is enough of a terrorist association to scare me off. Add Juan and Jean le Kerry to the mix, and I’m in the back room kneeling, asking for divine protection.


43 posted on 05/04/2008 9:50:42 AM PDT by pallis
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To: stockpirate
Thanks for the tip. I've already rolled the presses. The hawkers are on the street now.

Extra! Extra! More on McCain's radical friends!

McCain's friend more subversive than suspected, says source
Ties to unrepentant terrorist and bomber Bill Ayers

Washington, D.C. May 4, 2008. Senator John McCain's long-time friend Senator John Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) worked with the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) which spawned Bill Ayers' murderous Weatherman faction, sources revealed citing FBI files. . . VVAW itself developed plans to assassinate senators and other officials. . . .

44 posted on 05/04/2008 11:22:33 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Kaslin

“That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him.”

Well....McBoob has his own issues with the Constitution as seen in pieces of legislation like McBoob/Feinglod.


45 posted on 05/04/2008 12:11:04 PM PDT by Grunthor (You can't perform a circumcision with a chainsaw!)
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To: TADSLOS
Frankly a Liddy friendship helps the guy with many who find Liddy's demeanor as being a straight shooter and a breath of fresh air. This is sort of attack is like defining being a SwiftBoater as something negative.. I mean really.

Nevertheless, Liddy is nothing like a terrorist.

46 posted on 05/04/2008 1:44:39 PM PDT by dalight
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To: chicagolady

I agree. Juan Hernandez is an extreme radical and a friend of Crazy McCain. Bill Clinton pardoned two Weathermen. Here it is a wash. Obama’s biggest problem is Rev. Wright.


47 posted on 05/04/2008 2:18:44 PM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Bahamas!)
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To: Jane Austen
Ayers and Liddy - There Is Equivalence

(1) McCain publicly criticized Obama for his association with Ayers.

(2) McCain clearly has an association with Liddy.

(3) Liddy states in his autobiography that he conspired to firebomb the liberal Brookings Institution.

(4) Liddy states in his autobiography that he conspired to murder columnist Jack Anderson (who was Brit Hume's boss at the time).

McCain's “pastor” problem is bogus and will vanish.

McCain's “Liddy” problem is real and will not vanish.

Full Disclosure: I am a Conservative Republican and no friend of John McCain.

48 posted on 05/04/2008 8:34:49 PM PDT by zeestephen
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