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Residents and others lament loss of trees
The Montgomery Gazette ^ | April 30, 2008 | Melissa J. Brachfeld

Posted on 05/05/2008 6:53:31 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

In the community of Shady Grove Woods, trees are becoming more and more scarce.

Residents and other anti-Intercounty Connector activists marched through the neighborhood on Saturday, pointing out the trees that were cut down to make way for the six-lane highway.

‘‘It’s just that we didn’t have a say in it in so many ways and we’re not talking about a two-lane road, we’re talking about a major highway running through here,” resident Sam Chim said of the ICC. ‘‘We have a lot of nice, private woods back here and now we’re going to have a highway running through instead. It just kills the whole atmosphere of living in Shady Grove Woods; it’s going to be like Shady Grove Highway after this.”

Chim is one of several residents who has lost a portion of his back yard to the highway, and one of nearly 100 people who attended the weekend ‘‘Irish wake” in the Derwood neighborhood.

The event, called ‘‘Wake-up MoCo,” was organized by Connie McKenna and a group of neighbors in an effort to draw attention to what they say is the devastating impact of the Intercounty Connector on their community, located west of Shady Grove Road along Briardale Road.

A walking tour playfully called ‘‘O’Malley’s March,” the name of Gov. Martin O’Malley’s former Irish rock band, mimicked the processional of an Irish wake as bagpiper Steve Porter led the group to the barren field behind several homes.

‘‘Today we’re here to mourn for what was really a forest six weeks ago,” said McKenna, president of the Shady Grove Woods Homeowners Association.

The ICC, an 18-mile toll road that will connect Interstate 270 in Gaithersburg to Interstate 95 in Laurel, is in the early stages of construction and is expected to cost about $2.4 billion...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
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1 posted on 05/05/2008 6:53:31 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Think of the trees, man!

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


2 posted on 05/05/2008 6:54:17 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Having a freeway put in your backyard? Kiss of death for your property value. Who’d wanna buy your house? A retired truck driver?


3 posted on 05/05/2008 6:57:57 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Meanwhile the same idiots whine about traffic getting worse and worse... This is the big city. If you want trees... go move someplace else.


4 posted on 05/05/2008 6:59:29 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Do these people not commute to work? This area is seriously underserved road-wise and it’s mostly because of these anti-highway whiners.

I’m fair about this - I don’t want a highway in my yard either, but half the reason traffic is so bad getting around DC is that there are no good highways going THROUGH the city and same thing with Baltimore.

I realize the ICC isn’t in the city but it would relieve surface road traffic a lot - sometimes you have to look at the entire net benefit of such a thing.


5 posted on 05/05/2008 6:59:45 AM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Dunno about that - I looked at houses off the highway and they’re just as insanely expensive as all the others around here.


6 posted on 05/05/2008 7:00:42 AM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Residents and other anti-Intercounty Connector activists marched through the neighborhood on Saturday, pointing out the trees that were cut down to make way for the six-lane highway.

It would be on heck of a highway if the trees were allowed to stand.

"Caution - Oak Tree in Left Lane - 1000 Meters"

8 posted on 05/05/2008 7:06:53 AM PDT by meyer (Still conservative, no longer Republican)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

It would be nice if we could put freeways where nobody owns property, but such conditions do not exist in the Lower 48 anymore, AFAIK.


9 posted on 05/05/2008 7:07:05 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: RockinRight
This area is seriously underserved road-wise and it’s mostly because of these anti-highway whiners.

I can't stand these NIMBY whiners. If these losers had been around in the 1950s and 1960s the Interstate Highway System would never have been built. They hold our country back.

... half the reason traffic is so bad getting around DC is that there are no good highways going THROUGH the city and same thing with Baltimore.

What needs to be done is this... and yes, I am dreaming, I know... down near Richmond, VA, build a highway that starts at the northeastern-most corner of I-295 (near its eastern exit with I-64) and have it roughly parallel US-301. Have this highway continue into St. Mary's County and Calvert counties in Maryland. Continue across the bay into the Eastern Shore (now I am really in la-la-land). Have this highway roughly parallel US-50 and US-301 into Delaware and connect it to Delaware Route 1. If you really want to speed things along, build a second crossing over the Delaware River and have it hook into the NJ Turnpike. The grand result of this is that Philadelphia, Wilmington, Baltimore and DC are bypassed. To make a highway more acceptable to the residents of the areas where it would be built, you limit the number of exits.

10 posted on 05/05/2008 7:10:02 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: pnh102
I can't stand these NIMBY whiners. If these losers had been around in the 1950s and 1960s the Interstate Highway System would never have been built. They hold our country back.

There were some of them back then - that's why there are no through highways besides the relatively useless 295 through DC and only 95 goes through Baltimore - anti-highway groups in the 60s and 70s. They didn't want to disturb their neighborhoods. There were plans for many more highways in both cities.

The hilarious part is that these neighborhoods today that the proposed highways would have gone through are almost all ghetto hellholes - I don't think adding a highway would have made them any worse than they are today!

11 posted on 05/05/2008 7:15:29 AM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: RockinRight

“I looked at houses off the highway and they’re just as insanely expensive as all the others around here.”
You’re right about that. But they don’t sell as well. People don’t like the noise factor. Many of these house get discounted to move them. Another tip: don’t buy a house near an intersection. Headlights will sweep across your windows every time someone turns. Used to sell real estate, but jimmuh killed me on that job!


12 posted on 05/05/2008 7:20:49 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: pnh102

So the idea is to take all the non-local, non-commuting traffic off of 95?


13 posted on 05/05/2008 7:28:42 AM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I rented a room in a house that backs up to I-270 at the I-370 exit. The noisewall helped, and for a time, I slept downstairs partly for that reason. (The noisewall only went up 1 story.) When I slept upstairs, however, I became used to the noise quite quickly. I wouldn’t recommend it for families with small children, however.

Now, try and imagine living across the street from the railroad tracks, like I did back in the 1980s while growing up. If you really want (intermittent but loud) noise, railroads are hard to beat (and they don’t have noisewalls).


14 posted on 05/05/2008 7:37:48 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Another tip: don’t buy a house near an intersection. Headlights will sweep across your windows every time someone turns.

Heavy curtains will take care of that.

15 posted on 05/05/2008 7:39:05 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Heavy curtains? I suppose, if you don’t like fresh air much! Middle of the block! Best place to buy.


16 posted on 05/05/2008 7:42:43 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The problem with this road is going to be the same as all the others: when it is completed, lots of land will be opened to development, and the development will create traffic that will clog the road! You can’t win.


17 posted on 05/05/2008 7:43:38 AM PDT by ottbmare
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Heavy curtains? I suppose, if you don’t like fresh air much!

Well, just open the curtains during the daytime.

18 posted on 05/05/2008 7:45:24 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: meyer
It would be on heck of a highway if the trees were allowed to stand.

"Caution - Oak Tree in Left Lane - 1000 Meters"

Let's see, 1 meter = 3.28 feet, so that's 3280 feet or 1093 yards, that's a little more than half a mi##SCREEEEE!!SMASH!!CRUNCH!!BOOM

Another tragic metric road sign catastrophe.

19 posted on 05/05/2008 7:50:26 AM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: pnh102
This is the big city. If you want trees... go move someplace else.

Well . . . it's 25 miles from the big city. And moving away to be near trees is no longer an option for these people. They might be able to sell if the real estate market ever goes back to the way it was in 2005, when people would buy anything, anywhere. But right now, they're truly screwed. I feel for them, but I would have gotten out three years ago. They had plenty of warning. This road was not a secret. Everyone knew it was coming, and everyone also knew that all the legal avenues for stopping it had been exhausted. So if you didn't want a road in your back yard, you should have sold your house two or three years ago. Demonstrations aren't going to help now.

It is too bad about the trees. The construction crews should try to save some of them. They help control run-off and they hold the soil. They also add a lot of beauty and coolness. The George Washington Parkway, which is heavily lined with trees, is one of the most beautiful roads in the US and is a tourist attraction in itself. The ICC could be pretty and could make commuting less headache-inducing.

20 posted on 05/05/2008 7:52:24 AM PDT by ottbmare
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Uh, I definitely like fresh air at night.


21 posted on 05/05/2008 7:53:33 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
These people who are "mourning" the loss of their private woods should have looked at their plats (or whatever the hell those property blueprints are called) before they signed the mortgage papers. The ICC has been on the Montgomery County Master Plan for more than 50 years; and everybody who bought property backing up to the ICC right-of-way knew damn good and well (unless they didn't look at the papers they signed) that they were buying property that backed up to the ICC right-of-way.

And they continue to whine.

Montgomery County was a nice county when I was a kid, with lots of farmland and rolling hills. I spent many a day wandering around Carnegie Institution of Washington's Department of Terrestrial Megnetism field station in Derwood, MD, where there were a few radio astronomy dishes which my dad helped to build. As kids, my brother and sisters and I traipsed all over that property, climbing on the base of the under-construction dishes like they were monkey bars, and collecting snake skins and all kinds of "wild" stuff in the tall grass all around us.

Now if you drive out to Derwood, where Carnegie used to own the land, you'll find ticky-tacky, brick-front but vinyl-sided houses crowded together. Carnegie got crowded out by suburban sprawl. And the only reminder of those days is the street sign on that short street leading into that subdivision - Carnegie Avenue.

Now, I would be very happy to see all the liberal transplants leave Montgomery County and go back to where they came from and get back the rural charm of my old stomping grounds; but that won't happen. Time, and progress, marches on. They need to march with it, or get trampled by it. But they need to quit whining, that's for certain.

22 posted on 05/05/2008 8:00:30 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: Dan Cooper
Another tragic metric road sign catastrophe.

I confess - I saw "Montgomery" and I immediately thought of England. My brain switched to metric! ;-)

23 posted on 05/05/2008 8:16:15 AM PDT by meyer (Still conservative, no longer Republican)
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To: ottbmare

Actually, a reasonable solution in areas like this is a road that’s basically designed as a one-way road at different times of day.

I’ve often thought that US 29 in MD could be a southbound-only road during morning rush and northbound-only during evening rush.


24 posted on 05/05/2008 8:32:57 AM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: meyer

At least they still drink in pints in England...they do don’t they? :’)


25 posted on 05/05/2008 8:37:10 AM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: RockinRight
Actually, a reasonable solution in areas like this is a road that’s basically designed as a one-way road at different times of day.

I don't know--are we sure that the road is all people from Gaithersburg and Germantown looking to go to Laurel in the morning? Or is it people from Laurel trying to get to jobs in Gaithersburg? Might be both. I don't have any data on this so I'm just asking.

27 posted on 05/05/2008 9:07:34 AM PDT by ottbmare
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
A walking tour playfully called ‘‘O’Malley’s March,” the name of Gov. Martin O’Malley’s former Irish rock band, mimicked the processional of an Irish wake as bagpiper Steve Porter led the group to the barren field behind several homes.

Governor Owe'Money, they mean.

Since the sassy Democrat voters of Montgomery are almost solely to blame for the entrenched Marxism in this state, it is only just that Monkey Canny should start reaping the whirlwind.

28 posted on 05/05/2008 9:38:10 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter. --WChurchill)
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To: RockinRight
So the idea is to take all the non-local, non-commuting traffic off of 95?

Yes.

29 posted on 05/05/2008 12:20:00 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Albion Wilde
Since the sassy Democrat voters of Montgomery are almost solely to blame for the entrenched Marxism in this state

Don't let PG County and Baltimore City off the hook, either...

30 posted on 05/05/2008 12:29:29 PM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: pnh102
What needs to be done is this... and yes, I am dreaming, I know...

You could call the new route I-995 (yes, I know that technically, I-995 would not be a spur, but I-540 in NC is not a spur, either, as far as I know). Or you could call it I-1095, America's first 4-di Interstate. Or you could call it I-301 (an orphan similar to I-238 out in California). Or I-101 (the East Coast analog to U.S. 101). Possibilities abound.

31 posted on 05/05/2008 6:41:23 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’d steal I-97 and use that. The route would traverse 4 states. Another possibility would be to call the new route I-95E and the current route I-95W.


32 posted on 05/05/2008 7:02:33 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I would be pissed off, too. This country is becoming more and more paved over.


33 posted on 10/10/2013 9:27:31 PM PDT by chessplayer
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Damned people, multiplying and building stuff and cutting down trees! We oughta just kill ‘em all!


34 posted on 10/11/2013 7:28:29 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Major brain damage at UMES, but no property damage!)
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