Speaker: Don't shame Kent State's dead (UN Punk Scott Ritter)

It wasn’t as though your opinion counted for anything. If you supported common sense in the killing of the punks who suicided by guard, I might have to re-check my premises. Fortunately, there is no fear of any such thing.

Go play on the internet with Scott Ritter and your fellow Kumbayas or whatevers.

There were four dead. Two of those four, which I mentioned, were not in the Mob. They were walking to class. One of those two one was an ROTC member who was planning on entering the Military.

The Shroeder kid was killed at six hundred yards.

I had the wrong massacre in mind. The Schroeder boy was killed at 400 feet.

What was reprehensible was poor marksmanship leading to an all too low body count. Brush up on your Koran and your Arabic in case you prevail in imposing Kumbaya toward our nation's enemies then or now.

You're equating Kent State with Islamofascist terrorism?!?

That would be funny if the first part of your statement wasn't just plain sick.

How old are you?

61 YO and counting.

When you stick to religious issues, I am determined not to re-fight the reformation and counter-reformation here. Kent State had nothing to do with either and everything to do with deaths resulting from communist resistance tactics to my country and yours.

The ROTC building at Kent State was burned to the ground.

The student leftist violent criminals (my contemporaries since I was in law school at the time) nonetheless decided to confront the National Guard risking and, fortunately, in some cases achieving suicide by guardsmen.

The leftist mob charged against the guard and the guardsmen's drawn rifles.

The leftist mob included some who hurled chunks of concrete at the guardsmen, i.e assault with intent to injure or kill. Those not hurling concrete did not peel off.

If you think that guardsmen have some sort of duty to die without self-defense, lest some pampered left wing college student mob members and "revolutionary" wannabes might be injured or killed (and their weepy mommies just terribly upset) instead, that says more about you than it does about the guardsmen.

The leftist mob was in service to the communists as to the war in Vietnam. Kent State was part of the escalation of antiwar violence, exploiting a working class and largely day hop campus to suggest that the antiwar antiAmerican pro-communist movement was somehow not the plaything of despicable leftist elites at Yale, at Harvard and at Berserkley.

I don't think there is an equation between Islamofascism and the Kent State communist terrorism. Ho Chi Minh was a far more sophisticated and far more dangerous enemy of the United States than any other in its history. Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Hamas Fatah and the rest are minor leaguers and ignorami by comparison. Ho achieved monumental damage to this nation with little more than ideological fervor as is evidence by the fact that 38 years after the fact, there even some who imagine themselves conservative who weep rivers of crocodile tears over Kent State as latter day dupes of Uncle Ho. Ho played on a smaller stage than other red leaders but did so much more with what he had to work with. His skill dwarfed the skills of any soviet dictator, of Mao and his ilk, of even Castro. Ho was smart enough (unlike Osama) to avoid direct attacks on American soil, smart enough to skillfully deploy guerillas at the disposal of General Giap to demoralize the US and bleed our determination to death, smart enough to destroy for decades now the confidence of WW II victorious America and smart enough to gull you and others here.

If you suggest that the towel heads are a greater threat than the reds used to be, particularly Ho, then how old are you?

As to the low body count and poor marksmanship, neither the guard nor any law enforcement personnel should EVER fire warning shots. Use the gun only to kill those who need killing. Never refrain from killing those who need killing.

IF there are innocent bystanders (a very big IF), they are endangered by the stupidity of directing the firing of warning shots. This does not exonerate the stupidity of the purported "innocent bystanders" who, in an honest effort at self-preservation should have run like hell rather than rubbernecking. Unlike you, I did not accept the Walter Cronkite/William Scranton/Tom Hayden/Ho Chi Minh view of Kent State then, don't accept it now and won't ever accept it.

If the guard had poor leadership, it was that the leaders did not order the guard to fire into the teeth of the mob and particularly those who were throwing concrete. Two other common theories back in the day were that a provocateur in the crowd fired a gun or a starter pistol or set off salutes or cherry bombs.

In any event, more efficient killing of those directly responsible was preferable to risking (the remote) possibility of injury to actually innocent people. If anyone, innocent or guilty, died as a result of the criminal felonious action of mob members and their dupes, the government should have indicted the identifiable ring leaders for felony murder, riot, assault of law enforcement personnel, thrown the book at them and executed them in old Sparky at leisure.

Note, BTW, the noticeable absence of violent college riots attempting to kill guardsmen or cops since May 4, 1970. That is no coincidence.

You apparently are operating under the false impression that I might be affected by your opinion to turn into a retroactive Kumbaya wimpburger as to Kent State. I am not likely to do that now or ever. I am rather surprised since you aggressively pursue religious war here to see you siding with the wimps on Kent State. Whatever my reservations as to your principled religious arguments (with which I disagree), it had never occurred to me that a person of your views would be anything but a warrior on behalf of our nation. We more often see the Kumbaya syndrome among the clueless wing of my fellow Catholics who think that peace is just peachy keen and Kumbaya to all persons of whatever sort of will.

Speaking of Islamofascism, how does it feel to be allied with the likes of Scott Ritter??? Are you as angry at the deaths of 50 million who were certainly innocent as you are at 4 deaths at Kent State and 17 wounded of whom a few MAY have been innocent? At least the blame there would reasonably be placed on the mob perps.

But for the mob attacking the guardsmen, Schroeder's failure to avoid a Darwin Award would have been less obvious. If the guard shot INTO the mob at those throwing chunks of concrete, Schroeder would probably have survived.

50 million absolutely innocent Americans have died of surgical abortion since 1973. Does that move you or are you just concerned about those who die because pampered college leftists were playing at "revolution?"

How does it feel to be allied with Scott Ritter?

400 feet from the shooter? 400 feet to the left of the perps? 400 feet to the right of the perps? 400 feet BEYOND the perps on a straight line from shooter through perps to Schroeder? These little questions have significance.

Each and every person shot would not have been shot but for the actions of the criminals in the mob who were assaulting the guard. IF every person shot was totally innocent (which even you are not arguing since you say that two killed were not in the mob), the criminal mob was the proximate cause of the deaths and other shootings.

Two dead were walking to class???? Were they interviewed after their death? Did their mommies say so? Was this from a press release of the campus Ho Chi Minh Admiration Society? Even if true, they died because pampered Muffy and Skipper leftist windtunnels rioted and were assaulting guardsmen.

As to military credentials, there are several groups of former generals and admirals who whine in favor of our nation's enemies and against the use of the military in every war. They should be stripped of ranks and pensions but our system does not allow for that. They should not be confused with patriots. Nor should bomber pilots like McGovern who had no problem with the deaths and maiming of European civilians in nazi occupied territories that he bombed but was caterwauling on the floor of the Senate about "this chamber stands knee deep in blood" in relation to our actually fighting the communists (his ideological soulmates) in Vietnam.

One was in ROTC and planning on entering the military. The cynical among us would reply that ROTC was a way of getting an educational subsidy and of avoiding the still extant draft (maybe the war would end by the time he graduated?) ROTC students were OBLIGATED to military service at some point so that "planning" is not the right word. Analogy: Mickey Jones was enrolled at West Point and "planning" on military service after graduation. Translation: Mickey Jones had achieved an appointment to West Point. After 4 years of study and achievement of an engineering degree, while receiving military pay and having no tuition to pay, the Army would require Mickey to serve several years on active duty.

AND, physician heal thyself.

You're the one drawing comparisons to Kent State and Iraq, not me.

Your long, looong diatribe is filled with errors and the false observations of someone who was far removed from what really happened at Kent State, but did read about it on some reactionary, anonymous blog somewhere.

As to the low body count and poor marksmanship, neither the guard nor any law enforcement personnel should EVER fire warning shots. Use the gun only to kill those who need killing. Never refrain from killing those who need killing.

"need killing?!?"

Obviously you know zilch about that day at Kent State or the facts surrounding what happened. You are oblivious to the fact that the crowds, the administration and even most of the Guardsmen themselves were told they did not have live ammunition in their guns.

Frankly, I've never come across a poster in eight years on this forum who exhibits so much wild-eyed ignorance and rabid hatred.

"need killing."

I'd appreciate it if you didn't post to me again. You're creeping me out.

Scott Ritter is a treasonous opportunist. I am 100 percent against abortion-including the abortion of living innocents by the armed, panicked, and reckless. There is plenty of criticism to be leveled at the violent, rock throwing mob, but it is not necessary to impune the innocent by questioning their intelligence when they were more than one hundred yards away. I am sure that if Mr. Schroeder had known the National Guard would panic, turn around, and then fire in his direction he would have been elsewhere.

How does it feel to be anti-abortion, and yet, celebrate the death of others?

I feel good about that combo while repeating that those killed were either guilty or stupid enough to play in the highway for all the reasons previously stated. The serial soap opera of the Schroeder family's whining in effective service to our enemies suggests their actual motives.

Apparently for you it would have been preferable if Kent State had produced no casualties, if the student "revolution" continued to escalate on the false premise that the government would permanently continue to refuse to fight back and a substantial multiple of 4 would have died as a result on other campuses. As the "movement" sapped our nation's popular will, soldiers died on Vietnamese battlefields as criminal mobs like those at Kent State cheered their deaths. I would gladly trade the life of a smart mouth rebellious college leftist physically attacking guardsman for each soldier killed. If the aim was better, that might have left Schroeder alive. As it was, he insisted on walking on the race track at the Indy 500 at the very least.

What about the two love slaves of Ho Chi Minh who were killed IN the mob??? Are you sniffling for them too or do you just want to lean on Schroeder's claimed credentials?

As to Schroeder, my dad (and a lot of other people's dads did too) had a saying: If the hunting dog did not stop to pee on the tree, he woulda caught that fox. Or: Woulda, coulda, shoulda. If Schroeder had displayed the brains that God gave a worm, he woulda, coulda, shoulda been out of there. He didn't and he wasn't. Don't denigrate 50 million actually innocent babies slaughtered by comparing them to the Kent State dead. Ever see a baby who fled the womb at the approach of an abortionist? Me neither.

More than a hundred yards away in WHAT direction? If straight on a line from rifleman to criminal mob member to Schroeder, et al, those hundred yards mean nothing.

Panic????? Turn around????

As to celebrating the death of others, I certainly do. Examples: The usual clan of enemies of the US: Che Guevara, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Salvador Allende, guys like Richard Speck, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Dahlmer, unrepentant faux "revolutionary slime" like Abbie Hoffman, Huey P. Newton, Fred Hampton, the "respectable" traitors like Dr. Spock and William Sloane Coffin, Jr. I applaud the death by disintegration or beheading by smart bomb of every Hamas leader whom Israel can take out. Saddam Hussein needed to be executed and his two sons Uday and Kucay needed to be ventilated. I will shed no tears over the future demise of Charlie Manson and his gang members, nor over the deaths of each person, unrepentant to death, who served Ho Chi Minh by resisting the Vietnam War and causing its loss and the loss of the lives of so very many Vietnamese good guys who were each superior to the antiwar slime. People can cross from the guilty category by public repentance as did Eldridge Cleaver and Joan Baez. Fr. Dan Berrigan was jailed in abortion mill protests and is at least to be credited for that against his war errors.

How does it feel to be a Monday morning quarterback bashing guardsmen 38 years after the day when they were attacked and defended themselves, if not perfectly, but well enough to cap the revolution of rising Marxist expectations on one campus and, indeed, on each and every other campus? How does it feel to be an apologist for Ho Chi Minh's pals while imagining yourself conservative?

BTW, we all make spelling errors. I attack your position not your spelling. However, on behalf of Mrs. Elk who serves as the dread grammar police, the word you were looking for is "impugn" and not "impune." We do not impugn Charlie Manson by noting that he is a murderous butcher by proxy. We do not impugn the criminal mob at Kent State by saying that some got a mere part of what they deserved and that others earned their Darwin awards that day. They ought not be missed.

1. You stop posting to me and I will stop posting to you.

2. There were no blogs when I watched the news bulletins and coverage on May 4, 1970. I admit that I saw the truth before it was whitewashed by the usual gang of establishmentarian wimps and Ho Chi Minh lovers. BTW, isn't FR a right wing blog?

3. I gave my age but I did not see yours. I am not surprised.

4. If a soldier were EVER put in a position of drawing a gun when he, the students and the administration "were told" that he had no bullets, then the soldier was a sitting duck and anyone in the mob shooting a soldier would be able to make a flimsy defense based on self-defense or necessity. Nixon and Ohio Governor Jim Rhodes discussed and strategized the situation before the shootings and the national guard was mobilized. In any event, it appears that the soldiers knew that they had bullets because they did not squeeze the triggers to scare the reds by going click, click, click.

"Reactionary???" Howe many conservatives use the term reactionary? What's next??? Hmmm, perhaps "fascist warmonger???" Or "oppressor of the people???" Or "people before profits???" Or whatever.

See #94 for an additional list of those who, yes, needed killing.

"Ignorance" is a lack of knowledge of the truth and not a lack of knowledge of the fantasies inspiring the faint-hearted. As to hatred, it is good to hate whatever needs hating. I do.

Those who can't stand the heat ought to avoid the kitchen.

If you are creeped out that is your subjective problem. If you want to engage in appreciation, you don't have to reply and that will be that. I got along without ya before I met ya and I'll easily get along without ya now. I won't be missing anything either.

You have an extremely ugly attitude. There is no point in conversing with an ass like you, so go back to your bottle.

The articulate and persuasive character of your arguments is exceeded (negatively) only by your wisdom.

For the record I have a MS in History, I did get a 96% on the LSAT in 1978, but decided against law school for other more intrinsically valuable pursuits. I have worked with the Pro-life movement for years and a search of my post on the subject might be enlightening, And if the country survives it will not be because of ranting hate mongering idiots like you sir, it will be because of sacrifices of men like my father, uncle, brother-in-law and others who are far better men than you could ever hope to be. Men who have seen war, seen death and often times caused it, but are intelligent enough to know that violence and war should never be the first move, but always the last resort. You can throw out McGovern's name and talk about kumbaya all you want if it makes you feel good, I could care less. Those type of throw away comments are what I have come to expect from people of limited intelligence, it is so much easier to sloganeer than think. I take my guidance from the people in my life that I know and respect who have walked the walk and to a man none of them prays for war or relishes the thought of it like people like you. You are the typical keyboard hawk, always willing to go to war with others people's blood and sacrifice. The fact that you found a law school willing to take you and easy enough for you to graduate from tells me nothing more than there are some law schools out there with pretty low standards if you are representative of their alumni.

I'm done, you win, be happy with yourself, this discussion obviously means a lot more to you than it does to me. Call it cut and run if you want, more easy sloganeering. I learned years ago you can't have an intelligent, insightful conversation with a person who is neither. Go find someone else to harangue with you rants I have more fruitful things to spend my time doing.

Judging by admission standards, my law school was in the top tennationally .

The Kent State trash nonetheless deserved to be taken out. The guard were right and you and yours are wrong.

What does defending leftist student "revolutionaries" have to do with conservatism???

As to "hate mongering," are you advocating speech codes? The whining about "hate speech" is the last resort of desperate liberals including those who pose as "conservative" or "paleo." There are causes and their adherents worth despising, such as the student "revolutionaries" of the 1960s and 1970s. When they hurl chunks of concrete at national guardsmen and are shot, they get what they deserve. If they brainlessly rubberneck nearby and get shot, then they have no one but themselves and the criminal mob to blame.

The LSAT was not scored as 96% or any other percent. It was sckred as were the SATs on a scale of 250 to 800. If you took the LSAT in 1978, that suggests that you were born in about 1957-58 and that you were 13 or so in 1970. If so, the fact that you could do college without deadly combat on campus is something for which you should credit the guard at Kent State.

I'll match my conservative resume (or my IQ) against yours any time and it includes no Kumbaya sniffling over Kent State or any other snuffing of the delusional leftists, arsonists, rioters or their brainless fellow travelers. IQ does not equate to sniveling PC groveling in the dust on behalf of our nation's internal enemies.

Your history on this thread suggests that there is no purpose whatsoever in reviewing your posting history. All you have to do to end this exchange is to stop exchanging.