Posted on 05/05/2008 10:34:28 AM PDT by seanmerc
The American people have heard President George W. Bush and his spokespersons say many times that the U.S. government does not engage in torture.
Whether Bush was believed or not is another story -- especially in light of the photographic evidence of the abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, the prison near Baghdad. It’s understood that many of the photos are too sadistically graphic to be made public.
Still, the official U.S. denials of torture continued until earlier this month when Bush acknowledged in an interview with ABC-TV that he knew about and approved “enhanced interrogation” of detainees, including “waterboarding” or simulated drowning.
“As a matter of fact,” Bush added, “I told the country we did that. And I told them it was legal. We had legal opinions that enabled us to do it.” The president added, “I didn’t have any problems at all trying to find out what Khalid Sheik Mohammed knew.”
“He was the person who ordered the suicide attack -- I mean, the 9-11 attacks,” Bush said. “And back then, there was all kind of concern about people saying, ‘Well, the administration is not connecting the dots.’ You might remember those -- that period.” Bush said.
Bush also said in the interview that he had been aware of several meetings his national security advisers held to discuss “enhanced interrogation” methods.
Surely this president is also aware of the U.S. commitment to international treaties barring “cruel and inhumane” treatment of prisoners.
What is startling is that he feels no remorse about the cruel image he has created for America -- and the damage done to its credibility and probity.
In referring to the legality of torture, Bush apparently was thinking of a 2002-2003 memo written by John Yoo, a Justice Department official, who argued that military interrogators could subject detainees to harsh treatment as long as it didn’t cause “death, organ failure or permanent damage.”
The memo was later rescinded.
Bush who has insisted “we do not torture” also recently vetoed legislation that explicitly banned torture. And Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., whose whole political persona has been defined by the fact that he had been tortured while a prisoner of war during the Vietnam era, supported Bush’s veto.
For both Bush and McCain, I recall the words of Joseph Welch, the special counselor for the Army during the 1954 Army-McCarthy hearings when Welch asked Sen. Joseph McCarthy, R-Wis.: “Sir, have you no sense of decency?”
We expected the usual cast of characters including Vice President Dick Cheney to be in on the sinister torture-planning sessions.
But it came as a shock that Gen. Colin Powell, then Secretary of State, sat in on the meetings and went along with the planning. Powell had been on record warning against U.S. torture policies on the basis that if we mistreat our prisoners, foreign countries will feel no qualms about abusing American captives in wartime.
Once revered for his integrity, Powell has lost his halo.
Now we have this week’s testimony of Air Force Col. Morris Davis, a former chief prosecutor, who took the witness stand at Guantanamo Bay on behalf of a prisoner. Davis told how top Pentagon officials had pressured him on sensitive prosecutorial decisions for political reasons. He said he was told that the charges against well-known detainees “could have real strategic value” and that there could be no acquittals.
Davis also testified that Brig. Gen. Thomas W. Hartmann reversed a decision he had made and insisted that prosecutors proceed with evidence they had obtained through waterboarding and other methods of torture.
Davis also testified he was told to speed up the cases to give the system legitimacy before a new president takes over in January.
Is Congress so cowed that it accepts the statements of a president who has little regard for the truth?
Is there no lawmaker who is appalled about the tarnishing of our image in world opinion? And where are the voices of the other presidential candidates who will inherit the Bush legacy of torture? Why the silence?
I count on the American people to refuse to be shamed any more.
Helen Thomas can be reached at hthomas@hearstdc.com.
Well, there went my lunch.
Always happy to help. :-)
Wow, all she had to do was change the President’s words to mean the one thing he has expressly stated over and over that he wasn’t saying and she had a story. I’m wondering why journalists have such a hard time coming up with stories if this is all you have to do.
It’s like the wicked witch of the west and yoda had a child. And then that child melted a bit.
Helen Thomas: “Bush Admits He Approved Use Of Torture”
Good...
Helen Thomas IS torture!.....
Sorry about your lunch. Would you like a nice apple?"
Hearing her or seeing her also constitutes torture. What are we to do?
I notice that these articles about torture never really specifically mention the torture method except for waterboarding. Shouldn’t a journalist mention the methods of torture if they are going to do an entire article on torture?
Poster “child” for euthanasia.
Swedish eyewash...
This is one case in which her character and mind are even more ugly than her Face.....if that is even possible!!!!
Which female is Helen Thomas in that picture?
It must be the one on the far right
But any policy that prompts its defenders to make comparisons to Jack Bauer must have serious consideration behind it, right?
Thank you for chasing the demon away!.....
I see you also approve of the use of torture.
2) Powell had been on record warning against U.S. torture policies on the basis that if we mistreat our prisoners, foreign countries will feel no qualms about abusing American captives in wartime.
Regarding #1 - all I can say is BS. Has this ugly woman asked any of Bin Laden's group how much remorse they feel for all that they have inflicted upon the country of Afghanistan (before our military campaign there) or upon locations around the globe? Regarding #2 - Can anyone show me evidence that our soldiers and civilians would be treated any differently than they have been were we to not use "aggressive" interrogation methods? Can anyone give evidence that in past wars our enemies have used non-torturous methods in their treatment of our PoW's? Do we not have enough evidence that the alternative is the reality of dealing with these vermin? Helen Thomas deserves being put through a waterboarding session.
Nothing about Helen Thomas is far right.
God Bless You
Here, why don’t we compromise with Helen?
We could say we’ll only torture terrorists who are planning on targeting conservative areas, and we’ll let those targeting liberal areas go free.
Yeah, I’m sure our troops fear waterboarding MUCH MORE than they fear having their heads sawed off ...
Talk about evidence of torture. Poor Helen musta taken a god awful whaling with an ugly stick to look like that.
Helen Thomas can kindly go french kiss a rattlesnake.
How about this? Let’s torture terrorist who are planning on targeting conservative areas of the country and/or our allies, and then we’ll bomb all the liberal areas ourselves?
Here's some antidote for Ole' Gargoyle Face!
The fact that he didn't proves that we are a just and civilized society.
That is real torture. Detainees should have been forced to look at her photo. She is the anti-Viagra.
yesterday’s-war-alert.
now that’s just nice... tnx
I don’t know if he will answer, but I will. I do approve of the use of torture. Why would you not?
when our troops are similarly abused by a lawless regime.
Our troops are "similarly abused" by the United States Military!
Our troops WISH all the had to fear were the "torture tactics" used by the U.S. government.
Ever heard of Pfc. Kristian Menchacha and Pvt. Thomas Tucker? Search for their stories adding "slaughtered" to your search criteria.
I think Tribune7 was referring to my use of a triple Helen Thomas picture.
Yes, that is torture.
And where’s the dog’s butt picture????????? COME ON people you’re laying down on the job :-)
I still say that’s just gross.
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