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Neanderthals Were Seperate Species, Says New Human Family Tree
Physorg ^ | 5-4-2008

Posted on 05/05/2008 11:38:41 AM PDT by blam

Neanderthals were separate species, says new human family tree

A wax figure representing a Neanderthal man on display at a museum. A new, simplified family tree of humanity has dealt a blow to those who contend that the enigmatic hominids known as Neanderthals intermingled with our forebears.

A new, simplified family tree of humanity, published on Sunday, has dealt a blow to those who contend that the enigmatic hominids known as Neanderthals intermingled with our forebears.

Neanderthals were a separate species to Homo sapiens, as anatomically modern humans are known, rather than offshoots of the same species, the new organigram published by the journal Nature declares.

The method, invented by evolutionary analysts in Argentina, marks a break with the conventional technique by which anthropologists chart the twists and turns of the human odyssey.

That technique typically divides the the genus Homo into various classifications according to the shape of key facial features -- "flat-faced," "protruding-faced" and so on.

Reconciling these diverse classifications from a tiny number of specimens spanning millions of years has led to lots of claims and counter-claims, as well as much confusion in the general public, about how we came to be here.

Various species of Homo have been put up for the crown of being our direct ancestor, only to find themselves dimissed by critics as failed branches of the Homo tree.

The authors of the new study, led by Rolando Gonzalez-Jose at the Patagonian National Centre at Puerto Madryn, Argentina, say the problem with the conventional method is that, under evolution, facial traits do not appear out of the blue but result from continuous change.

So the arrival of a specimen that has some relatively minor change of feature as compared to others should not be automatically held up as representing a new species, they argue.

The team goes back over the same well-known set of specimens, but uses a different approach to analyse it, focussing in particular on a set of fundamental yet long-term changes in skull shape.

They took digital 3D images of the casts of 17 hominid specimens as well as from a gorilla, chimpanzee and H. sapiens.

The images were then crunched through a computer model to compare four fundamental variables -- the skull's roundness and base, the protrusion of the jaw, and facial retraction, which is the position of the face relative to the cranial base.

When other phylotogenic techniques are used, the outcome is a family tree whose main lines closely mirror existing ones but offers a clearer view as to how the evolutionary path unfolded.

The paper suggests that, after evolving from the hominid Australopithecus afarensis, the first member of Homo, H. habilis, arose between 1.5 and 2.1 million years ago.

We are direct linear descendants of H. habilis. H. sapiens started to show up around 200,000 years ago.

None of the species currently assigned to Homo are discarded, though.

On the other hand, the Neanderthals are declared "chronological variants inside a single biological heritage," in other words, evolutionary cousins but still a separate species from us.

The squat, low-browed Neanderthals lived in parts of Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East for around 170,000 but traces of them disappear some 28,000 years ago, their last known refuge being Gibraltar.

Why they died out is a matter of furious debate, because they co-existed alongside anatomically modern man.

Some opinions aver that the Neanderthals were slowly wiped out by the smarter H. sapiens in the competition for resources.

Other contend that we and the Neanderthals were more than just kissing cousins. Interbreeding took place, which explains why the Neanderthal line died out, but implies that we could have Neanderthal inheritage in our genome today, goes this theory.


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1 posted on 05/05/2008 11:38:41 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 05/05/2008 11:39:02 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

I thought this was already established?


3 posted on 05/05/2008 11:41:24 AM PDT by Clock King (The Oligarchy will make slaves of us all)
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To: blam; NeoCaveman
Great! Just what I needed to cause another existential meltdown!


4 posted on 05/05/2008 11:41:56 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: blam

Ah, it all makes sense now. Homo Sapiens became the conservatives, while the Neanderthals = the liberals.


5 posted on 05/05/2008 11:44:21 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: blam

I’m confused; I thought that they were long known as a separate species: Homo Neanderthalensis. A separate species of the Homo genus. No?


6 posted on 05/05/2008 11:45:12 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: blam

I don’t think the Neanderthals are extinct. From what I have seen their gene pool is still alive.


7 posted on 05/05/2008 11:45:40 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: blam

I thought one of the definitions of a separate species was that two different parent species could not produce fertile offspring.

How could they co-mingle the 2 species?


8 posted on 05/05/2008 11:45:52 AM PDT by toast
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To: blam
No duh. They only have 4 fingers and 3 toes.


9 posted on 05/05/2008 11:45:53 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: blam
On the other hand, the Neanderthals are declared "chronological variants inside a single biological heritage," in other words, evolutionary cousins but still a separate species from us.

Ahem. Given the standard model of evolution, would it be safe to say that algae and humans are chronological variants inside a single biological heritage?

10 posted on 05/05/2008 11:48:29 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: blam

That wax figure of Neanderthal looks rather pensive. Seems like from what I learned the Neanderthals were more pack-like and didn’t spend much time in dead philosophical thought. They didn’t even care for their dead from what I remember.


11 posted on 05/05/2008 11:48:50 AM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: toast
I thought one of the definitions of a separate species was that two different parent species could not produce fertile offspring. How could they co-mingle the 2 species?

If you could find evidence that either they could breed together or couldn't, then you would answer the question of whether they are separate species. We don't know for sure, so all else is speculation.

I don't think that genetic science has advanced far enough to tell just from DNA samples whether two close samples could interbreed or not.

12 posted on 05/05/2008 11:52:21 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Pray for Rattendaemmerung: the final mutually destructive battle between Obama and Hillary in Denver)
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To: blam

If you are a biologist working on a Phd, a sure fire thesis is to split out a new species.

I’m a lumper at heart


13 posted on 05/05/2008 11:53:25 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The Bitcons will elect a Democrat by default)
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To: toast
I thought one of the definitions of a separate species was that two different parent species could not produce fertile offspring.

That's a common, but incorrect, understanding of the term. Merriam-Webster defines the word "species" as follows:

A category of biological classification ranking immediately below the genus or subgenus, comprising related organisms or populations potentially capable of interbreeding, and being designated by a binomial that consists of the name of a genus followed by a Latin or latinized uncapitalized noun or adjective agreeing grammatically with the genus name.

14 posted on 05/05/2008 11:56:21 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Politics is the ultimate excercise in facing reality and making hard choices.)
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To: MovementConservative

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/neanderthals.html?c=y&page=4


15 posted on 05/05/2008 11:58:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: MovementConservative
They didn’t even care for their dead from what I remember.

Not true. Neanterthals buried their dead. They also cared for their sick and injured.

16 posted on 05/05/2008 11:58:36 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Politics is the ultimate excercise in facing reality and making hard choices.)
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To: Wolfstar

Then what is the difference between a separate race and a separate species?


17 posted on 05/05/2008 12:01:00 PM PDT by toast
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To: blam

I don’t think so....

“Buried Alive: The Startling Truth About Neanderthal Man”
http://www.amazon.com/Buried-Alive-Startling-Truth-Neanderthal/dp/0890512388


18 posted on 05/05/2008 12:01:38 PM PDT by Ozone34
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

They were all Homos, that’s why there ain’t no more......


19 posted on 05/05/2008 12:02:25 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Clock King
I thought this was already established?

True, I know of two separate DNA studies as early as 1996 that established this fact. Also to my surprise, anthropologists generally reject Cro Magnon as precedent species to homo sapian sapain (man). Research on this dates back as early as 1978. So that are two "links" missing right before man on the evolutionary chain. But no need to throw out evolution since there is much consensus on the issue.

20 posted on 05/05/2008 12:02:40 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (McCain makes me crazy- Obama scares the cr*p out of me.)
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