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HRW finds reports of abductions of Serbs from Kosovo credible.
Human Rights Watch ^ | May 5, 2008 | Humab Rights Watch

Posted on 05/05/2008 4:40:27 PM PDT by dschapin

Kosovo/Albania: Investigate Postwar Abductions, Transfers to Albania

Official Dismissals Premature

(New York, May 5, 2008) – Additional information has emerged that bolsters allegations of abductions and cross-border transfers from Kosovo to Albania after the 1998-1999 Kosovo war, Human Rights Watch said today. The Kosovar and Albanian governments should open independent and transparent investigations to help resolve the fate of approximately 400 Serbs who went missing after the war.

"Serious and credible allegations have emerged about horrible abuses in Kosovo and Albania after the war," said Fred Abrahams, senior emergencies researcher at Human Rights Watch, who investigated human rights violations in Kosovo and Albania for the organization from 1993-2000. "The Prishtina and Tirana governments can show their commitment to justice and the rule of law by conducting proper investigations."

The allegations became public recently in a new book by Carla Del Ponte, former chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY). Human Rights Watch has obtained independent information and documentation that provides credibility and corroboration of much of what Del Ponte writes about postwar abuses in Kosovo. Del Ponte’s Italian-language book is titled “The Hunt: War Criminals and Me.”

Human Rights Watch wrote letters to Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci and Albanian Prime Minister Sali Berisha on April 4 to request that they open investigations into the allegations, but by May 2 neither government had replied, Human Rights Watch said. Top officials in both places publicly rejected the claims as unsubstantiated and libelous.

According to Del Ponte, the ICTY received information from “credible journalists” in 2003 that individuals in Kosovo had abducted and transported between 100 and 300 persons from Kosovo into northern Albania after June 12, 1999, when NATO forces entered Kosovo. The information was consistent with and corroborated what the tribunal had developed in house.

Human Rights Watch viewed the information the ICTY obtained from the journalists and considers it well researched and credible: seven ethnic Albanians who served in the Kosovo Liberation Army, interviewed separately, gave details about participating in or witnessing the transfer of abducted Serbs and others prisoners from Kosovo into Albania after the war.

According to the journalists’ information, the abducted individuals were held in warehouses and other buildings, including facilities in Kukes and Tropoje. In comparison to other captives, some of the sources said, some of the younger, healthier detainees were fed, examined by doctors, and never beaten. These abducted individuals – an unknown number – were allegedly transferred to a yellow house in or around the Albanian town of Burrel, where doctors extracted the captives’ internal organs. These organs were then transported out of Albania via the airport near the capital Tirana. Most of the alleged victims were Serbs who went missing after the arrival of UN and NATO forces in Kosovo. But other captives were women from Kosovo, Albania, Russia, and other Slavic countries.

“The information on organ trafficking is suggestive but far from complete,” said Abrahams. “But the fact remains that hundreds of people, most of them Serbs, are reported to have gone missing after the war. The Kosovo and Albanian governments should try to determine the fates of these people by launching serious investigations with adequate witness protection.”

According to the information obtained by the ICTY, the bodies of some of the abducted individuals were buried near the yellow house and a nearby graveyard about 20 kilometers south of Burrel. Investigators from the tribunal and the UN Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK), accompanied by an Albanian prosecutor, inspected the house in February 2004. The house had been painted white but, in a photo of the investigation site viewed by Human Rights Watch, a yellow strip was visible at the house’s base.

According to Del Ponte, near the house investigators found medical equipment used in surgery – syringes, gauze, drip bags, and medicine vials for muscle relaxant often used in surgery. Using a chemical spray, the team found evidence of significant blood stains on the walls and floor of one room, except for a clear six-foot by two-foot rectangle on the floor.

Human Rights Watch spoke separately with two people who were present during the visit of the ICTY and UNMIK investigators to the house near Burrel. Both people corroborated the story as told in Del Ponte’s book.

Human Rights Watch also obtained a copy of UNMIK’s official report from the February 4-5, 2004 investigation, titled “Forensic Examination and Assessment in Albania,” which largely corroborates Del Ponte’s claims. The chemical spray called Luminol, the report says, revealed traces of blood in two rooms, including one spot at a right angle on the floor, which “would indicate that there may have been by [sic] a rectangular item covering this area.” In a stream bed next to the house, investigators found an empty intravenous bag, syringes, and empty bottles of medicine, which they collected as evidence.

A tribunal spokeswoman confirmed on April 16 that ICTY and UNMIK investigators had looked into the allegations and visited the house near Burrel, but that they “could not substantiate the allegations and had no further basis on which to proceed in relation to [the tribunal’s] jurisdiction.” In response to a question, the spokeswoman said the investigators found “no reliable evidence” to substantiate the allegations.

“Collecting reliable evidence to launch a criminal prosecution and collecting evidence that adds weight to assertions are two different things, and the evidence found near Burrel clearly adds weight to the assertions,” Abrahams said. “The tribunal mandate also only covers crimes committed during the armed conflict, which ended on June 12, 1999. The alleged kidnappings and other crimes took place after that date, so that was a further obstacle to pursuing an investigation.”

Last week, Albanian Foreign Minister Lulzim Basha dismissed Del Ponte’s allegations as “immoral” and “libelous.”

“Minister Basha should take the allegations more seriously because he knows from his own experience that there is credible evidence of cross-border transfers,” Abrahams said. “He worked for the tribunal and the Justice Department at UNMIK after the war, and personally investigated reports of detention facilities in northern Albania.”

Human Rights Watch said it had not conducted its own investigation into the reports, beyond viewing the material presented to the ICTY, obtaining the UNMIK investigation report and speaking with two people who were present during the investigation in Burrel. But it noted the large number of persons missing from the Kosovo war – Albanians, Serbs, and other ethnic groups.

According to the International Committee of the Red Cross, 1,613 persons from Kosovo are still reported missing and 350 are reported dead, but their bodies have not yet been found and identified. The organization gives no ethnic breakdown. According to the Association of Families of Kidnapped and Missing Persons in Kosovo and Metohija, 533 Serbs from Kosovo remain missing, 430 of whom disappeared after June 10, 1999.

Human Rights Watch also urged the Serbian government to help solve the fate of the roughly 1,500 missing ethnic Albanians from the war. Human Rights Watch has documented the removal of ethnic Albanian bodies from 10 places in Kosovo in 1999. Hundreds were reburied in mass graves inside Serbia, including on a base used by the special police.

“The Serbian government is rightfully complaining about the reported abductions and transfers of Serbs to Albania,” Abrahams said. “But it has also failed to cooperate enough to shed light on the even larger number of Kosovo Albanians missing from the war.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abduction; balkans; croatwarcriminal; illegalimmigration; jihad; kosovo; mohammedanism; organ; serbia; ustashe; ustasheapologist; wrongside
Human Rights watch has looked over the evidence compiled by ICTY and found that the reports of abductions of Serbs from Kosovo as well as the allegations of organ harvesting are credible and should be investigated further.
1 posted on 05/05/2008 4:40:30 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: Bokababe

Here is an article that I think you and the rest of the Balkan ping group would find interesting. Apperantly, HRW is now publically coming out and saying that the reports of abductions of serbs from Kosovo are credible and need to be investigated more thouroughly.


2 posted on 05/05/2008 4:43:20 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: Bokababe; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; ...

We can begin the countdown until one of our pro-Jihadist cheerleaders comes in crying that this could not have happened and it would have all been the fault of the Serbs if it ever did happen.

I wonder how many of the missing Albanians were carved up by the KLA thugs?


3 posted on 05/05/2008 5:13:24 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...
Yes, thank you! Ironically, I saw that article this morning online and thought of you when we discussed the credibility of the earlier reports. I was going to post it but you beat me to it.
4 posted on 05/05/2008 5:18:18 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: dschapin

The Clinton Legacy lives on. (Those Republicans voting for Hillary in primaries should note what their future fate may be.)


5 posted on 05/05/2008 5:29:28 PM PDT by pankot
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To: Bokababe

Nice. Well, you post so many great articles that its fun to beat you to the punch once in a while :-)


6 posted on 05/05/2008 5:59:16 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: Bokababe
The BBC is reporting this here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7384679.stm


7 posted on 05/05/2008 6:30:26 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: pankot; Bokababe

“The Clinton Legacy lives on. (Those Republicans voting for Hillary in primaries should note what their future fate may be.)”

Interesting take on the situation since it is the present administration which played midwife to the the birth of the little Kosovo terror statelet and now finances it with hundreds of millions of our money. The Kosovo Mohammedans, for their part have financed McCain’s campaigns to the tune of millions of dollars. McCain is right up there with Clinton and Bush as favorites of the Kosovo Mohammedan terrorists. Indeed, the Kosovo Albanians have publicly stated that it was McCain who made it possible for them to obtain the arms they used to commit terrorism against the Christians in Kosovo.

The situation in Kosovo certainly arose out of the Clinton cabal’s totally unprovoked attack on Serbia. But since 2001, the Bush Administration and men like McCain bear complete responsibility for our policy there.


8 posted on 05/05/2008 6:38:57 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: dschapin
HRW finds reports of abductions of Serbs from Kosovo credible.

Hmmm, no comment from Hillbama or MacWhackJob???

I wonder how many late empire Romans knew their world was in decline even as it was happening?

9 posted on 05/05/2008 6:44:49 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Ronald Reagan's single biggest mistake: Picking Poppy Bush to be his veep.)
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To: dschapin
You can "beat me" on this anytime, D!

What I love is the Albanians saying, "Who us? No, this is just too fantastic to even bother with! It's all Serbian propaganda or del Ponte's bad dream, blah, blah, blah". Then, when you do a little homework, you find lots stories like these on Albanian organ trafficking that aren't about Serbs, and it doesn't seem so "fantastic" at all:

POLARIS PROJECT: POLICE ARREST (Albanian) CHILD TRAFFICKERS

RADIO FREE EUROPE: THE PROBLEM OF ORGAN TRAFFICKING

BALKAN BLOG: LINKS TO OTHER ORGAN TRAFFICKING STORIES, ALBANIA, KOSOVO

SEE PORTAL: THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT DISCUSSES ALBANIAN ORGAN TRANSPLANTS (TRAFFICKING)

10 posted on 05/05/2008 6:51:09 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

Let’s see if anyone denounces HRW for being a Soros op on this thread....or is that reserved only for when HRW accuses the Serbs of doing something bad?


11 posted on 05/05/2008 7:21:44 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian

HRW is still a Soros operation but Soros cannot be accused of being biased in favor of the Serbs since his past record with the Serbs is quite clear. So, the fact that HRW has historically been biased against the Serbs actually makes their opinion that atrocities were committed against the Serbs more credible here.


12 posted on 05/05/2008 7:55:48 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: dschapin; Hoplite

Hoppy, still in denial about your heroes?


13 posted on 05/05/2008 8:17:15 PM PDT by F-117A (Mr. Bush, Condi, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: dschapin; FormerLib; Bokababe; kronos77; Kolokotronis; Diocletian

Even the corrupt “Human Rightser Watch” has to admit that their Muhammadan Gheg “darlings” have been caught being the degenerate savages that they truly are!!!! All the globalist “human rightsers” should have egg on their faces, for helping to make things like this happen.

The Kosovo Albanian KLA leadership is much too primitive and criminal to run a state. Everyone who has knowledge of Kosovo and its environs, including the biggest backers of “Kosovo independence” in the clinton and Bush administrations, knows that. So do McCain and Hillbama. But keeping Bondsteel, appeasing the muslims, and weakening Serbia and Russia, are considered more important. More’s the pity!!!!


14 posted on 05/05/2008 8:33:56 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Diocletian
So, the fact that HRW has historically been biased against the Serbs actually makes their opinion that atrocities were committed against the Serbs more credible here.

There's a quote for every Ustashe poster to gag on! LOL!!!

15 posted on 05/05/2008 8:35:52 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Kolokotronis; FormerLib; Bokababe

Every time we pray for “captives and their salvation” in the Divine Liturgy, I think of the Serbs kidnapped in Kosovo, and cross myself. Lord have mercy!


16 posted on 05/05/2008 8:36:08 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: dschapin

I disagree. All Soros ops are the same and the intention is to smear all opponents for their agenda. With this bit of propaganda, they want to have something on the Albanians to use later.


17 posted on 05/05/2008 8:48:25 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian
FR's Miloseviknik faction eats up Soros propaganda as long as it is not against the Serbs. They are perfectly willing to use this left-wing NGO's propaganda against their own enemies, but if someone were to post something like this then they will say it's lies, all lies. They are the most loathsome of hypocrites.
18 posted on 05/05/2008 9:04:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The reason that I don’t believe that I am being hypocritical in posting this article is that it goes against the leftwing bias that HRW often has. Let me give an example from another context to illustrate what I mean. If Al Gore were to write an article admitting that a new scientiffic study made very credible and persuasive argumentst AGAINST global warming we post his admission all over the net. In doing this we would not be hypocritical or admitting that Al Gore is less biased then we thought. Instead, it is Al Gore’s extreme bias in favor of Global Warming that would make any admissions that he made AGAINST global warming so very persuasive.


19 posted on 05/05/2008 9:49:42 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: dschapin

You are equating anti-Serb sentiment with left-wing bias and that is hardly the case. Separatists who fought the Serbs are not leftists but rather nationalists. The very lies that were perfected against the Serbs are now being thrown around at other nationalists who broke away from Serb domination. This article you posted does not in any way deviate from Human Rights Watch’s perpetual left-wing bias.


20 posted on 05/05/2008 10:00:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Diocletian
...or is that reserved only for when HRW accuses the Serbs of doing something bad?

...With this bit of propaganda, they want to have something on the Albanians to use later.

Good grief, Dio, don't be so cynical.

That is to say, it's much easier to take each case one at a time - HRW notwithstanding. :-)

21 posted on 05/05/2008 10:03:21 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: dschapin
Let me put it this way. When the Democrat Bill Clinton was President and he supported the Kosovo Albanians against the Serbs, Human Rights Watch attacked the Serbs. Now that Republican George Bush is President and he supports the Kosovo Albanians against the Serbs, Human Rights Watch attacks the Kosovo Albanians.

Coincidence? I think not.

22 posted on 05/05/2008 10:48:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Interesting argument. However, I would expect that Soros is a lot more concerned about the views of the European internationalists that he hangs out with then with whether or not Goerge Bush is a Republican. Soros’s buddies like Javiar Solona are all supporting the independance of Kosovo since it would create a state that either the E.U. or the United States could control. Thus I would expect that Soros’s org’s would still be biased towards supporting the Albanians. However, you do have a good point that their bias is probably more anti-nationalist then anti-serb per se. So, if the albanians actually start to look like they are going to be able to put together a greater Albania that would actually be strong enough to come out from under internationalist control then I would expect Soros’s org’s to switch sides.


23 posted on 05/05/2008 11:22:00 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Serbs on this forum never supported Milosevic, only the Serbian people. That fact that you got that so comically wrong proves your understanding of the Serbs is ZERO (0).


24 posted on 05/06/2008 4:33:27 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
...Human Rights Watch attacks the Kosovo Albanians.

A blind squirrel found a nut.

25 posted on 05/06/2008 4:34:14 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What is a nationalist?


26 posted on 05/06/2008 6:42:46 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: SQUID

The KLA is a good example of a nationalist force, despite the ridiculous notion paraded on FR that they’re Jihadis. Vojislav Seselj is another example of a nationalist.


27 posted on 05/06/2008 11:05:07 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian

HRW is Soros garbage. Their recent accusations against the Albanians that now live in Kosovo doesn’t change that in the least.


28 posted on 05/06/2008 12:40:33 PM PDT by getoffmylawn (Now it is 1984. Knock knock at your front door. It's the Suede Denim Secret Police...)
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To: Diocletian

They’re a terrorist organization.


29 posted on 05/06/2008 1:35:17 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

if they’re a terrorist organization, then so were Arkan’s forces as well as Seselj’s White Eagles.


30 posted on 05/06/2008 2:13:52 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: dschapin
"seven ethnic Albanians who served in the Kosovo Liberation Army, interviewed separately, gave details about participating in or witnessing the transfer of abducted Serbs and others prisoners from Kosovo into Albania after the war"

I'd like to know what countries/hospitals the organs were flown to (or people claim they were sent to) and what months/years these shipments occurred. They could be occurring for as long as the prisoners were still alive. There were still Kosovo Serbs alive in concentration camps/detention as of spring 2000.

31 posted on 05/06/2008 7:44:51 PM PDT by joan
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To: Diocletian
The KLA is a good example of a nationalist force...

You're basically right, Dio, but you're also overlooking something. That is, the term nationalism has a different meaning to Americans (or Canadians) than it does to people in Eastern Europe.

You should be aware of this.

32 posted on 05/06/2008 11:17:57 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Diocletian
Five radical Islamists charged with planning attacks
Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey is not Jihadism? Just a bunch of fine European men making a prank.

You're so brain washed. Too many Croatian Nationalist news papers.

33 posted on 05/07/2008 5:56:26 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: SQUID

That’s the exception that proves the rule, Squid. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the Albanians in Kosovo and the war in 1999 knows that they overwhelmingly rejected the Mujahideen and the Jihad forced upon them by the Saudis and their American allies.


34 posted on 05/07/2008 4:12:22 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

The point is that the KLA were a nationalist force, not an Islamist force of Mujahideens, seeking to implement the rule of Islam. They fought for Albanian rule.


35 posted on 05/07/2008 4:13:24 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian
The point is that the KLA were a nationalist force...

Okay. But you're assuming that 'everyone' knows what your implying when say nationalist force - someone like dennisW doesn't, for example. Note: I read your post on another thread.

Look, Dio, let provide a quick (anecdotal) and simple example of what I'm trying to say.

Suppose, you suggest to "Joe" in America the following:

Hey Joe, did you know that the KLA is a nationalist force?

Joe's response most likely be something along the lines of:

"Well, I don't know what the KLA is, but I don't see what's wrong because they are proud of themselves and their country."

On the other hand, if you were to ask "Joe" in Romania the same question a typical response would be as follows:

"Well, I don't know what the KLA is, but my gosh, they're Nationalists - who are they going to kill today?

I realize this is basic, but it provides an explanation of the different perceptions.

36 posted on 05/08/2008 12:24:05 AM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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