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School challenge: Transgender student is age 9
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | May 3, 2008 | Joelle Farrell and John Sullivan

Posted on 05/06/2008 7:22:49 AM PDT by Owl_Eagle

For school officials in Haverford Township, the challenge was daunting: What do you do when a 9-year-old student, with the full support of his parents, decides that he is no longer a boy and instead is a girl?

Parents of a third-grade student at Chatham Park Elementary School approached the administration on April 16 to ask for help in making a "social transition" for their child.

(Excerpt) Full story: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/chester/20080503_School_challenge__Transgender_student_is_age_9.html The Haverford School District consulted experts on transgender children, then sent letters to parents advising them that the guidance counselor would meet with the school's 100 third-grade students to explain why their classmate would now wear girls' clothes and be called by a girl's name.

Some parents objected. Eight called the principal to ask that their child not attend the session, and some posted angry messages on the Haverford Township blog.

"Why is the school introducing this subject to 8- and 9-year-olds?" wrote the parent who started the blog thread, which had been viewed more than 3,000 times as of yesterday. "Why were we not notified sooner. We received the letter today, the discussion at school is tomorrow."

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


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When did deviant behavior become virtue?

The liberal's war on society continues.

1 posted on 05/06/2008 7:22:49 AM PDT by Owl_Eagle
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To: Owl_Eagle
This is parental child abuse.
2 posted on 05/06/2008 7:24:02 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (In small-town Pennsylvania, bitter ignorant anti-immigrant rednecks cling to guns & religion...BO)
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To: Owl_Eagle

“What do you do when a 9-year-old student, with the full support of his parents, decides that he is no longer a boy and instead is a girl?”

Point and laugh hysterically?


3 posted on 05/06/2008 7:24:31 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Owl_Eagle

This kid needs to be transferred to a different school, IMO. Perhaps this kid is a lost cause, or maybe he does have problems, but no need to subject the other kids to it. Move him/her.


4 posted on 05/06/2008 7:25:34 AM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: Slapshot68
“What do you do when a 9-year-old student, with the full support of his parents, decides that he is no longer a boy and instead is a girl?”

Send in child protective services.

5 posted on 05/06/2008 7:25:52 AM PDT by Hildy (It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that determine who we truly are. - J.K. Rowling)
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To: Owl_Eagle
What happens? Shot the parents for stupidity.
Nine years old - there is no sexual identity.
These parents are not parents at all.
Poor child.
6 posted on 05/06/2008 7:26:28 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Kid, you've got a "pee-pee".

You're a boy.

Deal with it.

Kid's parents: You're a couple of pervy little freaks. Quit messin' with the kid's head.

7 posted on 05/06/2008 7:26:41 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Two words: Home schooling.


8 posted on 05/06/2008 7:26:46 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Kids at this age are figuring out their identify for themselves. They need guidance, not help in messing themselves up forever.


9 posted on 05/06/2008 7:26:50 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Owl_Eagle

What about the trans-species students? Why do they have to suffer abuse?


10 posted on 05/06/2008 7:27:06 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Owl_Eagle

Reading this again, the boy is quite smart. He sees how Society values girls more than boys. He sees, that at this stage our societal evolution, girls are better off than boys and are treated much better. Age 9. Think about it.


11 posted on 05/06/2008 7:27:11 AM PDT by Hildy (It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that determine who we truly are. - J.K. Rowling)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Consider the use of restroom and locker room facilities the child?

That ought to be really interesting.

In California the law is already on the side of the “transgendered” and against discrimination in the use of such facilities in public schools.


12 posted on 05/06/2008 7:27:14 AM PDT by Nextrush (MCCAIN, OBAMA, CLINTON......WHAT A CHOICE?)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"decides that he is no longer a boy and instead is a girl?"

If it's happening at the age of 9, it's not a "decision."

The school shouldn't allow this situation - the child should be sent to a different school as a girl and no one should be told.

13 posted on 05/06/2008 7:27:50 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Hildy

Word up true that.


14 posted on 05/06/2008 7:27:57 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Owl_Eagle

Liberal moral relativism has erased the stigma of shame, which at one time suppressed these types of behavior. Now, they’re just another victim class in search of a governmental funding source. Pathetic.


15 posted on 05/06/2008 7:28:43 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: svcw
Nine years old - there is no sexual identity.

Baloney! At nine years old (indeed, much younger) boys are very much aware of being boys (and not girls); girls are very much aware of being girls (and not boys). They may not be fully aware of all the ramifications of that difference, but they're certainly aware of the difference.

16 posted on 05/06/2008 7:29:15 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Kid, you've got a "pee-pee". You're a boy. Deal with it.

Also, he's an XY. Even if they cut off his pee pee, he'll always been an XY. Males can't become femals.

17 posted on 05/06/2008 7:29:47 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Clint N. Suhks
This is parental child abuse.

I agree. I thought I was the Incredible Hulk when I was that age. My parents didn't try to force the school to accomodate my imagination. Coincidentally, had I thought I was Wonder Woman they might have decided to unplug the television...
18 posted on 05/06/2008 7:30:24 AM PDT by philled (Rest in Peace, Sgt Merlin German. www.merlinsmiracles.com)
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To: Owl_Eagle

“I’ve decided I’m a goldfish”.


19 posted on 05/06/2008 7:31:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: beaversmom

I’m trying to keep it at a 9yo level ... kid probably thinks a “chromosome” is another form of Pokemon ...


20 posted on 05/06/2008 7:31:22 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
There is no evidence that the transition ultimately helps the person, he added. McHugh said he reached his conclusions after studying the issue for 30 years, especially in the 1970s, when Hopkins was pioneering sexual-reassignment surgery. "People came to us saying that if we changed them, we'd solve all their problems," he said. "So we changed them, and their problems remained."

Has a study ever been done on the long term effects of sex change surgery?

21 posted on 05/06/2008 7:31:22 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: philled

They should have let you paint yourself green and rip up your clothes.


22 posted on 05/06/2008 7:31:46 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: ArrogantBustard

Ok, boys and girls do know they are boys or girls at nine, sorry I was trying to make it simple.
These parents are (in my opinion) living some liberal dream “oh look how open minded we are, we except this boy/girl” “look at us look at us”.
Its the same as when a homosexual will tell you they knew at five they were homosexual - it is not possible.


23 posted on 05/06/2008 7:31:58 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Paul McHugh, a psychiatrist and professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health who studied sexual reassignment surgery in the 1970s, said a school's decision to support a student's transition could have long-term psychological consequences.

"They do not have a right to stop the child, but it's different when they gather everyone around and say, 'Johnnie is Jeanie,' " he said. Society, he added, should not support the decision of an immature person.

There is no evidence that the transition ultimately helps the person, he added.

McHugh said he reached his conclusions after studying the issue for 30 years, especially in the 1970s, when Hopkins was pioneering sexual-reassignment surgery.

"People came to us saying that if we changed them, we'd solve all their problems," he said. "So we changed them, and their problems remained."


The loudest voice of reason in the whole piece, and probably the most knowledgeable of the entire group. Let's ignore him!
24 posted on 05/06/2008 7:32:21 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I’d say speak to his parents, but they are probably lefties so it would be like speaking to a 9 year old.


25 posted on 05/06/2008 7:33:13 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: svcw
These parents are (in my opinion) living some liberal dream “oh look how open minded we are, we except this boy/girl”

Good point.

26 posted on 05/06/2008 7:33:15 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Slapshot68

When I was 9 the proper behavior was to laugh and ridicule and to punch him when the teacher wasn’t watching.


27 posted on 05/06/2008 7:33:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Declare himshe as an Emo Kid with no sex affiliation and let time work out what himshe wants to be.
28 posted on 05/06/2008 7:34:13 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Owl_Eagle

bump


29 posted on 05/06/2008 7:34:32 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Prepare for a long thread with lots of comments. ;-) I heard this story on 1210 talk radio, but I switched it off before the calls started.


30 posted on 05/06/2008 7:34:56 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: twigs

Kids figure out their identity LONG before age 9.


31 posted on 05/06/2008 7:34:57 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: beaversmom
they are probably lefties so it would be like speaking to a 9 year old.

With apologies to nine-year-olds.

32 posted on 05/06/2008 7:35:01 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“When I was 9 the proper behavior was to laugh and ridicule and to punch him when the teacher wasn’t watching.”

Actually, I was referring to the parents. ;)


33 posted on 05/06/2008 7:35:09 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: AppyPappy

My name is SleepandEat and I have Ethnic Identity Disorder Syndrome. I come to work in Blackface and demand to use the “Colored Only” rest room. I’m sure the African-Americans I work with will accept me as one of them........or they are worse than Hitler.


34 posted on 05/06/2008 7:35:38 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: bvw
True enough.
My 4 year old granddaughter thinks she is Snow White and my 3 year old grandson thinks he is Bat Man.
I wonder if preschool will let them transchange at school?
35 posted on 05/06/2008 7:35:39 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: metmom; Clintonfatigued

Here we go again...


36 posted on 05/06/2008 7:36:40 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Years ago in the real world, this kid would be in counseling to help him with his problem.

Now, they just hand him a dress and tell him “you’re perfectly normal !!!

It’s just plain nuts that all the other normal kids have to deal with this crap.


37 posted on 05/06/2008 7:36:48 AM PDT by Veeram ("Any fool (Liberal) can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." ---Benjamin Franklin)
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To: AppyPappy
“I’ve decided I’m a goldfish”.

You'll change your mind once I shove your head into a fish bowl. :-)

38 posted on 05/06/2008 7:37:30 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Pray for Rattendaemmerung: the final mutually destructive battle between Obama and Hillary in Denver)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

But they try to come to terms with it. I used to watch the kids in my daughter’s middle school class and they did all kinds of things to try out identities. I felt somewhat uncomfortable with it, but these kids turned out ok. Just learning who they were.


39 posted on 05/06/2008 7:37:32 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Owl_Eagle

The child could be intersexed, have some chromosomal problem. My uncle had klinefelter syndrome—he was XXY, meaning he had an extra X chromosome. I’ve read about people who are mosaics—a blending of two embryos into one person. It goes un-noticed if the two embryos are of the same gender, but when they are opposite gender it creates obvious issues.


40 posted on 05/06/2008 7:37:34 AM PDT by Burkean
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To: Owl_Eagle

Where’s John Stormer these days? Time to update “None Dare Call It Education.”


41 posted on 05/06/2008 7:42:04 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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“Why were we not notified sooner. We received the letter today, the discussion at school is tomorrow.”

Ummm...so you had no time to organize a protest and contact the media to cover it? /blondism


42 posted on 05/06/2008 7:44:50 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: sportutegrl

Children’s Hospital launches sex change for kids program

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A doctor at the renowned Children’s Hospital Boston has launched a new program to drug children to delay puberty so they can decide whether they want a male or a female body, according to a report today in the Boston Globe.

Pediatric endocrinologist Norman Spack, 64, says he started the Gender Management Service Clinic because he found himself encountering 20-somethings who were “transgendered” and in good shape socially, “but they were having trouble getting their physique to conform to their identity.

“I knew the 20-somethings could have better chances of passing if they were treated earlier,” he said.

“We don’t think that demonic is too strong a word to describe this,” said a statement from the pro-family Mass Resistance organization. “It brings us thoughts of the Nazi doctors who thought they were doing good things.”

WND has reported previously on some of the controversies prompted by the belief that a man can be born in a woman’s body, or vice versa, including in Montgomery County, Md., where county officials have adopted a law that precludes those who provide public accommodations from discriminating based on that “gender identity.”

“Is this our future?” asked Mass Resistance in a commentary. “Dr. Norman Spack runs a clinic for young children who’ve ‘decided’ they are transgendered. Among other things, the clinic administers powerful hormones to delay (or even stop) puberty in order that the children more easily undergo operations that mutilate their bodies to ‘change’ them to the opposite sex.”

“This is going on at the world-renowned Children’s Hospital in Boston – not some backwater clinic. This is the elite of the medical profession,” the organization said.

In a question-and-answer session with Globe columnist Pagan Kennedy, she starts the apologetic for doing surgery on children by saying, “Little boys sob unless they’re allowed to wear dresses. The girls want to be called Luke, Ted, or James.”

“Until recently, children with cross-gender feelings rarely received modern medical care – and certainly not hormone shots. After all, who would allow a child to redesign his or her body?” she asks.

But Spack, she wrote, has started a clinic that “is one of the few in the world to give children treatments that change their bodies.”

She reports he uses drugs to delay puberty, “granting them a few more years before they develop bodies that are decidedly male or female.”

Spack tells the interviewer he’s seen “preadolescents” who have been dressing in underwear of the opposite sex “for years.”

“The puberty-blocking drugs work best at the beginning of the pubital process, typically age 10 to 12 for a girl and 12 to 14 for a boy,” he said. He’s based some of his work on a Dutch model for sex-change, and said the recommendations there are age 16 for hormones that forever change a child’s body.

But “for others,” he wrote, “you lose opportunities if you wait. [One of my patients, a] transgendered girl from the UK, was destined to be a 6-foot-4 male. With treatment, she’s going to end up 5-foot-10.”

He said such treatments not only change the physical characteristics of the growing children, but also could leave them sterile for life.

“You have to explain to the patients that if they go ahead, they may not be able to have children. … But if you don’t start treatment, they will always have trouble fitting in,” he said.

“This isn’t conjecture,” Mass Resistance’ commentary said. “It’s happening now. And ‘transgenderism’ is being promoted to kids by homosexual/transgender activists in the public schools.”

Children as young as 12 already have been given the treatment.

Meanwhile, LifeSiteNews has reported that Spack previously acknowledged that only about 20 percent of children who claim to have a confusion over their gender hold thoseThe hospital itself calls the program “unique in the Western hemisphere.”

“This will be the first major program in the country that … [is] also welcoming young people who appear to be transgendered and are considering medical protocols that might help them,” Spack said.


43 posted on 05/06/2008 7:45:28 AM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: ArrogantBustard
They may not be fully aware of all the ramifications of that difference, but they're certainly aware of the difference.

Every 9 year old boy worth his spit knows that 9 year old girls have cooties, and that 9 year old trannies have megga-ubercooties.

44 posted on 05/06/2008 7:46:26 AM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

9 years old? I was busy blowing up models with firecrackers and M80s. My how things have changed.


45 posted on 05/06/2008 7:46:42 AM PDT by Lx ((Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.))
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To: Owl_Eagle

My first thought is this the result of a family where there are two mommies or two daddies.

Gay’s with kids will create some strange feelings in the kid.


46 posted on 05/06/2008 7:46:54 AM PDT by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: svcw

One of my children believed he was a dinosaur at one point.

I imagine these parents overreacting to their kid just being imaginative and creative, and the kid is taking things further and further, reacting to their overreactions.


47 posted on 05/06/2008 7:47:13 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: AppyPappy
“I’ve decided I’m a goldfish”.

I'm a lumberjack, and I'm OK ...

48 posted on 05/06/2008 7:47:14 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

It’s ironic how liberals always want to talk about the “slippery slope,” as it pertains to free speech and the right of expression or their privacy........

The liberal mind is a sick place.


49 posted on 05/06/2008 7:53:11 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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The Haverford School District consulted experts on transgender children, then sent letters to parents advising them that the guidance counselor would meet with the school’s 100 third-grade students to explain why their classmate would now wear girls’ clothes and be called by a girl’s name.

Third grade?...Are you kidding me? When will this nonsense end? Stop educating 100 third graders to explain why one boy wants to now wear girls clothes? Holy crap!


50 posted on 05/06/2008 7:56:48 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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