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Nuclear Energy Heats Up US Presidential Race (About time!)
Reuters/guardian.co.uk ^ | Tuesday May 6 2008 | Jeff Mason

Posted on 05/07/2008 8:56:00 AM PDT by kellynla

INDIANAPOLIS, May 6 (Reuters) - John McCain embraces it. Barack Obama wants to address its flaws. Hillary Clinton is cautious but not opposed.

Nuclear power -- controversial in the United States and throughout much of the world -- is on the agenda of all three U.S. presidential candidates as they seek to diversify the country's energy mix and reduce dependence on foreign oil.

Interviews with top policy advisers to the three White House hopefuls reveal a varied approach to the technology that some observers see as a necessary answer to fighting climate change and others view as expensive and dangerous.

McCain, a Republican senator from Arizona who has wrapped up his party's nomination, is by far the most enthusiastic about the carbon-free fuel source, regularly calling for more nuclear power plants at campaign stops throughout the nation.

"I believe we are not going to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and become energy independent ... unless we use nuclear power and use it in great abundance," he said in North Carolina on Monday.

McCain adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin said nuclear power faced an "uneven playing field" from years of political opposition. "Sen. McCain would eliminate the political obstacles that hinder nuclear power, allow it to compete more effectively, and likely increase its share of the U.S. energy portfolio," he said.

Nuclear energy accounts for about 20 percent of U.S. electricity supply, a figure that could rise if regulations on carbon dioxide emissions are imposed, making greenhouse gas emission-free nuclear plants more attractive.

There are 104 operating nuclear reactors nationwide. Obama, an Illinois senator and the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, shares McCain's belief that nuclear energy is part of the solution to climate change.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; nuclear; potus
"I believe we are not going to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and become energy independent ... unless we use nuclear power and use it in great abundance,"..."Sen. McCain would eliminate the political obstacles that hinder nuclear power, allow it to compete more effectively, and likely increase its share of the U.S. energy portfolio,"

Now you're talking!
1 posted on 05/07/2008 8:56:00 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

The obamaloon wants to “address it’s flaws”? Yup, that marshmallow undergrad and graduate law degree is gonna tell him all he needs to know about nuclear power. Another brick in the wall. Perhaps he might like to start with a battery, wires, and a light bulb. Given enough time, he might get some light...er see the light.


2 posted on 05/07/2008 8:58:25 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: kellynla

People need to know whether or not their President is a crook. Well, I am not a crook.

—Milhouse


3 posted on 05/07/2008 8:58:34 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's still unclear what impact global warming will have on vertical wind shear)
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To: kellynla

Finally, a policy where I am in complete agreement with McCain, although not in complete agreement about the motive (Global Warming).


4 posted on 05/07/2008 8:59:39 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: kellynla
I just became more comfortable about supporting McCain.

Don't forget, he was a naval officer while many ships were nuclear powered. He knows it's safe if it's respected and handled properly.

I've always said that the true test of if someone is honestly concerned about "global warming" is to see how they feel about nuclear power.

-Eric

5 posted on 05/07/2008 9:01:56 AM PDT by E Rocc (Resident smartass and Myspace Freepers group moderator. (http://groups.myspace.com/freepers))
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To: TitansAFC; meandog; onyx; MARTIAL MONK; Kuksool; freespirited; Salvation; furquhart; mossyoaks; ...
The McCain List.
Common sense conservatism

6 posted on 05/07/2008 9:04:35 AM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: kellynla

While we’re at it, lets clear the obstacles to refining the spent fuel, so it takes up less space. You know, like other nations do?


7 posted on 05/07/2008 9:04:44 AM PDT by AT7Saluki
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To: antiRepublicrat

I don’t care what reason they give as long as they “get off the dime” and allow more nuclear power plants to be built!

I am stick & tired of being led around by the nose by a bunch of camel jockeys & tin horn dictators.
If we can put a man on the moon, we can sure as hell become energy independent AND the largest exporter of energy to the rest of the world...”if you build it, they will come!” LOL


8 posted on 05/07/2008 9:05:39 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: AT7Saluki
While we’re at it, lets clear the obstacles to refining the spent fuel, so it takes up less space. You know, like other nations do?

How does that work? In layman's terms, please. LOL
9 posted on 05/07/2008 9:08:06 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: E Rocc

Ditto here.

And it’s ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!

Should have resumed permitting plants 20 years ago.

And the feds need to take a lot less than 12 YEARS to permit these new ones.


10 posted on 05/07/2008 9:12:55 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (INCENT)
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To: kellynla

Anyone who believes Obamassein or Killary would support nuclear power as POTUS is deceieved.


11 posted on 05/07/2008 9:14:38 AM PDT by subterfuge (Homophobic and proud of it!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Finally, a policy where I am in complete agreement with McCain, although not in complete agreement about the motive (Global Warming).

This is the kind of stuff he should be saying to his rat pals he is always reaching out to .They oppose domestic production and he comes up with gas tax holiday . The Nuclear energy discussion , should be no more complicated than allowing the market to force people to face scientific and technological realities .

12 posted on 05/07/2008 9:24:51 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: kellynla

Still, it takes years to get a plant online, even with environmental regs waived and such..

I used to traipse around nuke plants for work, we shoudl have never stoped building them, the research never stopped on making them safer.


13 posted on 05/07/2008 9:27:00 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!)
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To: kellynla

The “greenhouse gas” issue is bogus, but...

if it leads to nuclear power plants providing 90% of our power,

call me a AGW supporter!

Actually, it’s only good for an argument with a greeny weenie. Oh, so you want to reduce co2 emissions? How about nuclear? Oh the horror!


14 posted on 05/07/2008 9:30:03 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: kellynla
***Barack Obama wants to address its flaws***

I didn't know Obama was a nuclear scientist?

15 posted on 05/07/2008 9:33:47 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: NormsRevenge
And there's no time like the present to get started! LOL
Bush sure didn't use any of his 2001 90% approval rating capital to get the ball moving! And none of his predecessors did either for the past 30 years!!!
16 posted on 05/07/2008 9:34:22 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
We built Yucca Mountain for the waste in Nevada. Then the greenies ran it down so much in the media that every freak coward bastard politician here won't touch the subject with a ten foot pole.

Nevada could have had a 1000 power plants, feeding the whole continent, and but no, we need to keep our billion square miles of nothing pristine for the cockroaches.

17 posted on 05/07/2008 9:42:52 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: tobyhill

“Barack Obama wants to address its flaws?”

The black racist can “address its flaws” next year on the Senate floor because he may win the primary but he is burnt toast come 11/4!


18 posted on 05/07/2008 9:43:57 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
How does that work? In layman's terms, please. LOL

In the US, recycling of spent fuel rods is not allowed (unlike Europe or japan) due to perceived danger of nuclear proliferation. This is absurd. It results in much more nuke waste than we would have if we just recycled

When most U.S. nuclear plants were built, the industry—with federal government encouragement—planned to recycle used nuclear fuel. In 1979, President Carter, completing a process begun by President Ford, banned commercial used nuclear fuel reprocessing in order to address concerns raised about the possible proliferation of nuclear weapons. This decision mandated a once-through, single use fuel cycle. Although President Reagan lifted the reprocessing ban in 1981, non-proliferation concerns continue to guide U.S. policy. Reprocessing and recycling are also not currently cost-effective in the United States, although recycling is being done in other countries.

19 posted on 05/07/2008 9:46:32 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell)
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To: Dogbert41
Folks just need to be educated on the present possibilities and safety measures associated with nuclear energy.

Hopefully, that will come and come soon!

20 posted on 05/07/2008 9:48:22 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

McCain making sense on an issue. Perhaps there is hope.


21 posted on 05/07/2008 9:48:44 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: PapaBear3625

Thanks!

So, the danger of nuclear waste can be eliminated?
Or is there a percentage of the waste that we just have to live with?


22 posted on 05/07/2008 9:53:08 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Always Right

Yep, he says that he will come out with an energy plan that will get us off our foreign oil dependency...I’ll be interested to hear what it is...maybe there is still hope for this guy. LOL

“Now about the borders, illegals, GITMO and ANWR, Senator McCain?”


23 posted on 05/07/2008 9:55:47 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: tobyhill
I didn't know Obama was a nuclear scientist?

He is a tap dancer. He is solidly backed by pro-nukers such as Sam Nunn and David Boren. He helped push through legislation making the reporting of power plant "events" voluntary. He came out strong for nuclear power early in his campaign and the brie and chablis part of his support was not thrilled so he "moderated" his position. Obama could give Bill Clinton lessons about slick.

My biggest concern about nuclear power is terrorists and the cost of protecting material from them. Obama won't be of help there.

24 posted on 05/07/2008 9:56:45 AM PDT by Poincare (Hope is nostalgia for the future.)
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To: kellynla
So, the danger of nuclear waste can be eliminated?
Or is there a percentage of the waste that we just have to live with?

No problemo ... just start stacking the stuff up along our southern border ... it may not totally stop illegal immigration, but those that do make it through will be easily spotted wenever they glow in the dark.

25 posted on 05/07/2008 10:04:26 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: kellynla

In fairness, it came up early on in Bush’s first term , he was for it but look at some of the staff and support over the years.

The Yucca Flats waste dump brouhaha hasn’t helped, but storage long-term of waste aboveground can and has worked just fine so far and has for years, so until a nice hole in the ground comes along everybody likes.. let’s build some more! Heck, we have companies here selling ‘em to other countries , makes ya wonder sometimes. :-\

At most, a 5-year moratorium on new plants would have been adequate to check out all the existing plants and complete ones in progress and keep building ‘em too.

We are so far behind the 8 ball now, maybe if we said we would hang solar panels and wind turbines all over them , the econuts will acquiesce, it’s for the children yaknow,
All our children and, quite literally, their futures.


26 posted on 05/07/2008 10:09:59 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!)
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To: kellynla
"Sen. McCain would eliminate the political obstacles that hinder nuclear power, allow it to compete more effectively, and likely increase its share of the U.S. energy portfolio," he said.

I love campaign promises. How exactly does a Republican President propose to do this with a Democratic congress?

27 posted on 05/07/2008 10:11:22 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: kellynla; Normandy; Delacon; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; Fiddlstix; Timeout; ...
 


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28 posted on 05/07/2008 10:12:20 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: kellynla

How high will the price of a galloon of gas have to go before talk translates into action?


29 posted on 05/07/2008 10:14:54 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Proudly posting band-width consuming images since 2000)
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To: kellynla

Nuclear waste is not as big a problem as people think, see

http://www.ocrwm.doe.gov/factsheets/doeymp0010.shtml

Basicly the waste dones not move even in fractured rock with free flowing ground water


30 posted on 05/07/2008 10:18:44 AM PDT by jonrock
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To: Billthedrill

“How exactly does a Republican President propose to do this with a Democratic congress?”

that’s why we have elections...
the GOP had the majority in both houses of Congress for four years while Bush was POTUS;
if they can’t change the tide this time, maybe the GOP will get on the stick and try again and again and again until they gain the majority again.


31 posted on 05/07/2008 10:18:48 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Billthedrill

“I love campaign promises. How exactly does a Republican President propose to do this with a Democratic congress?”

Remember RR got a heck of a lot more accomplished than anyone since and he did it with a ‘Rat congress!


32 posted on 05/07/2008 10:20:27 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: GSWarrior
“How high will the price of a gallon of gas have to go before talk translates into action?”

I think we're gonna find out.
I think $5 is the breaking point when EVERONE will say “enough is enough...and to heck with the polar bears and the caribou and lets start drilling and drilling NOW!”

33 posted on 05/07/2008 10:26:58 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
that’s why we have elections...

Yep. And that's why I get disturbed about conservatives who announce they're sitting this one out. There's a lot more at stake than a single office.

34 posted on 05/07/2008 10:32:19 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: kellynla

Good to know McCain is at least right on one issue.


35 posted on 05/07/2008 10:39:08 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Billthedrill
“There's a lot more at stake than a single office.”

Thank you!

Although, I still believe we can turn this guy to the right...
sure a heck of a lot easier than turning a ‘Rat to the right. LOL

and if Obama or Clinton is elected, we can kiss the Supreme court and a reversal of Roe “goodbye” for at least another 20 years...not to mention, a 'Rat POTUS will pull us out of Iraq & Afghanistan.

36 posted on 05/07/2008 10:44:19 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: MBB1984

He’s “right” on the war too!
And he has said he would appoint conservative judges and I believe he has finally gotten the message that we want the border secured!!!


37 posted on 05/07/2008 10:46:49 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
How does that work? In layman's terms, please. LOL

Uranium is mostly U-238, but a small fraction is U-235. When U-235 his hit by a neutron, it breaks apart (fissions) and releases heat and two more neutrons which can go on to cause more fissions in other U-235 atoms.

U-238, on the other hand, usually absorbs the neutron to become U-239, which then takes a few days to decay into plutonium-239.

When there's too much U-238 and not enough U-235, the neutrons are nearly all absorbed by the U-238, and the chain reaction can't be sustained.

"Enriched" uranium means that the ratio of U-235 has been increased. With this increase it's possible to sustain a steady chain reaction, where enough new neutrons are released to keep the fissions going without being absorbed too soon.

The conversion of U-238 into Pu-239 essentially creates more fuel for the reactor, because Pu-239 can be fissioned when hit by a neutron. In a commercial reactor, up to a third of the heat comes from fission of the Pu-239 created when U-238 absorbs a neutron, and about half of what's created is used up in this way.

When enough of the U-235 and Pu-239 is used up, the rate of fission drops significantly. The fuel assembly is then removed from the reactor core and stored in a cooling pool. It is still highly radioactive because the "fission products," the leftover fragments of the fissioned Pu-239 and U-235, are very unstable and emit large amounts of radiation as they decay into stable forms.

Once the assembly cools down and the fission products have mostly decayed, the fuel can be taken out and chemically separated. The fission products are removed, and the uranium and plutonium which still make up the vast majority (about 97%) of the mass of the fuel can be pulled out.

This separated U can be re-enriched, and the fissile Pu can be mixed in with U-238, to create new fuel that can be used again in a reactor.

What's leftover after the U and Pu are pulled out makes up a fraction of the original fuel (~3%), and is only dangerously radioactive for hundreds of years, rather than millions of years. "A year's waste from a 1000 MWe reactor is contained in ... about 12 canisters 1.3 metres high and 0.4 metres in diameter."

If you think of a nuclear reactor as a campfire, America's once-through fuel cycle is like throwing a big log on the fire, and then pulling it out and throwing it away when the bark gets charred.

I think Carter's notion was that the risks and costs of reprocessing outweighed the costs of spent fuel storage and buying fresh uranium, but I expect that the calculus of spent fuel storage has changed over the years - Yucca Mountain was supposed to be online years and years ago.

38 posted on 05/07/2008 10:56:45 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: kellynla
So, the danger of nuclear waste can be eliminated? Or is there a percentage of the waste that we just have to live with?

We can eliminate a large part of it by recycling the fuel rods. We also need to be more intelligent in how we think of nuke waste. There's a lot of it that's just slightly radioactive, or which decays quickly to harmless isotopes, that doesn't need a "Yucca Flats"-style long-term storage area

39 posted on 05/07/2008 11:01:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Finally, a policy where I am in complete agreement with McCain, although not in complete agreement about the motive (Global Warming).

There are ways to turn the GoreBull Warming BS against the EviroWackos. Building more nukes are one. And give tax breaks for alternative methods of producing energy and not by giving tax money for stupid Kyoto carbon credits.

40 posted on 05/07/2008 11:02:58 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: PapaBear3625

Oh, okay, thanks!

I’m learning. LOL


41 posted on 05/07/2008 11:21:31 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Remember RR got a heck of a lot more accomplished than anyone since and he did it with a ‘Rat congress!

Reagan was a lot smarter than most people give him credit for when it came to getting things done. He worked to find common ground. He forged coalitions. He used personal persuasion and charm to win allies. He offered incentives for people to join him. When he knew he couldn't get everything he wanted, he compromised to get at least 70-80% of what he wanted. It is possible to get things done in DC, if you play your cards right. Reagan had to work with dyed-in-the-wool liberals like O'Neill, but he got things done and didn't abandon core principles.

I know, I know, Reagan is gone and won't be coming back, so we have to make the best of what we have. But it sure would be nice to have someone on our side who would exercise some leadership and take the initiative, instead of being simply passive and reactive.

42 posted on 05/07/2008 11:29:32 AM PDT by chimera
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To: kellynla
It shouldn't be a partisan issue at all. Here you've got a proven source of energy. It is high intensity. It is dispatchable (i.e., there when you need it). We know how to deploy it safely and economically. We have the resources. If those concerned about GHG and global warming are really serious, they can have a source of energy that addresses those concerns. Any candidate who claims to be serious about the environment and energy security should have no problem endorsing the use of nuclear energy to the maximum extent practical. Those who don't are either poorly informed on the issue or are being dishonest.
43 posted on 05/07/2008 11:34:35 AM PDT by chimera
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To: Dogbert41
Nevada could have had a 1000 power plants, feeding the whole continent, and but no, we need to keep our billion square miles of nothing pristine for the cockroaches.

The Nukes wouldn't bother the Cockroaches...
44 posted on 05/07/2008 11:59:01 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: kellynla
So, the danger of nuclear waste can be eliminated? Or is there a percentage of the waste that we just have to live with?

You need to look at Breeder Reactors If my understanding is correct, if just one in ten reactors was a breeder reactor (The government could control those to make sure Weapons were not being made...), we would have no storage problems, would be able to make fuel instead of mining it, and that coupled with Pebble Bed reactors would give us safe, scalable renewable Nuclear power and make electric vehicles finally worth it. Plus we'd be off the world oil market.

Big oil would oppose the heck out of this, unless we made it worth their while with nuke plant licenses in exchange for real increases in production state side in the short term (giving them an upgrade path to being big electric), and poof production now, cheap safe electric later, and if someone is really a greenie, they have to support it! LOL! (I have been thinking about this for a while...)
45 posted on 05/07/2008 12:12:35 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

thanks
I’ll check it out!


46 posted on 05/07/2008 12:17:42 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

“Clinton’s energy platform was “better than the others” because of its focus on nonnuclear sources, though she appeared to change her stances in different states,”
No shiite Sherlock!


47 posted on 05/07/2008 12:33:59 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: DelphiUser
Big oil would oppose the heck out of this, unless we made it worth their while with nuke plant licenses in exchange for real increases in production state side in the short term (giving them an upgrade path to being big electric), and poof production now,

I don't know why you think 'big oil' (who ever that is) would care. In the US, less than 3% of our electricity is generated with oil and that is primarily in remote areas that have no access to natural gas or coal. If anything, oil companies who also buy lots of electricity would be very supportive of having low cost nuclear electricity.

48 posted on 05/07/2008 12:50:22 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: DelphiUser

Big oil could buy up all the coal and then in a combined cycle plant, the coal could be gasified and turned into synthetic petroleum products... big oil still turns a profit, the reactor still makes electricity... now the only one that would complain is Big Ag... no one would need their gas crops...


49 posted on 05/07/2008 1:33:46 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Ditto
I don't know why you think 'big oil' (who ever that is) would care.

Natural Gas generally speaking comes from wells, you know oil wells, that's why they are connected to oil companies, oil companies own the wells...
50 posted on 05/07/2008 2:39:39 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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