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CA: Border fence across deep canyon will begin to be built next month (Smuggler's Gulch)
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 5/7/08 | Leslie Berestein

Posted on 05/07/2008 9:16:44 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

More than two years after a precedent-setting move by the federal government cleared a path around environmental laws and legal challenges, the construction of a stretch of border fence across a deep canyon known as Smuggler's Gulch is set to begin next month.

The project will require cutting earth from surrounding hills and filling in the canyon with more than 2 million cubic yards of dirt, an operation so large that critics fear disastrous environmental consequences.

According to the latest plans from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the project will consist of constructing an earthen berm across the canyon to support a 15-foot secondary steel-mesh fence and all-weather patrol and access roads.

The agency said a $48.6 million contract was awarded this year to the Keiwit Corp., a construction and mining firm based in Omaha, Neb.

Elsewhere along the U.S.-Mexico border, fence construction has ranged from about $2 million to a little more than $3 million per mile, he said.

“Certainly in some areas, it is easier to construct than it is in others,” said Barry Morrissey, a spokesman with U.S. Customs and Border Protection in Washington, D.C. “Just based on the geography there, this particular segment posed some unusual challenges.” The terrain is what concerns the critics, who fear that sediment from the project will harm the Tijuana River estuary, where millions in state and federal tax dollars have been spent to restore wetlands.

The fence in the Smuggler's Gulch area west of the San Ysidro port of entry will stretch for about 3.5 miles. More fencing to the east and west of that segment will add another mile. Combined, the new fencing will complete a 14-mile run of contiguous secondary fence running inland from the Pacific.

In February 2004, several environmental groups, including the Sierra Club and the San Diego Audubon Society, filed suit in federal court to stop the project. The same month, the California Coastal Commission stalled construction after ruling that it would cause environmental damage.

The following year, however, federal legislation granted the Department of Homeland Security the authority to waive all laws and litigation standing in the way of fence construction. In September 2005, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff set a precedent by exercising the waiver authority in San Diego.

In December of that year, the lawsuit was thrown out of court; later that month, a federal judge in San Diego ruled that the waiver authority was not unconstitutional.

Since then, as the federal government rushes to have 670 miles of pedestrian and vehicle fencing in place by the end of this year under the 2005 Secure Border Initiative, the department has waived environmental and other restrictions impeding construction elsewhere, starting last year in Arizona.

On April 1, two additional waivers cleared the way for fence construction in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, with one waiver encompassing roughly 470 total miles.

Meanwhile, National Guard troops in San Diego County have been doing preliminary construction along the border, including building access roads.

As construction approaches Smuggler's Gulch, environmentalists are trying to find last-minute ways to reduce the environmental impact, especially sediment damage to the estuary at Border Field State Park.

“When you put a lot of sediment into an estuary, it changes the function and structure of the estuary, until it compromises the function,” said Mike McCoy of the Southwest Wetlands Interpretive Association, a plaintiff in a 2004 suit.

McCoy and representatives from the local Audubon Society, the Save Our Heritage Organisation and other groups met last week with Rep. Bob Filner, D-San Diego, to discuss a draft of an alternative fence and border security plan.

The alternative proposal would involve spending $70 million for fence construction to instead replace the existing primary fence – there is older fencing at the bottom of the gulch – with a sturdier one. It also calls for hiring additional Border Patrol agents, dedicating money toward agent housing, improving existing border roads and providing enhanced sensor technology.

Smuggler's Gulch gets its name in part from liquor smuggling from Mexico during Prohibition, said Border Patrol Agent Jason Rodgers. While agents have seen increased human-and drug-smuggling traffic there in recent months, including a recent large marijuana seizure, “I wouldn't say it's one of our worst areas,” Rodgers said.

Nonetheless, the Smuggler's Gulch fence is necessary for border security, said Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, a longtime proponent of the project who championed the waiver authority in Congress.

“If we are really going to have an effect on controlling our border, we can't be having eight-to 10-year delays on these really small sections,” Hunter said. “I think we actually waited a full year on a study to see if the gnatcatcher would fly over the fence. While we were analyzing that, tons of cocaine were coming over that border.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderfence; bouncingbettys; california; canyon; duncanhunter; hunter; immigrantlist; landmines; punjisticks; smugglersgulch; springguns

1 posted on 05/07/2008 9:16:44 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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2 posted on 05/07/2008 9:17:05 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Still not good enough IMHO.

Plug it in at both ends and create the worlds biggest bug zapper, then they will know we mean business...


3 posted on 05/07/2008 9:20:41 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: NormsRevenge
Obviously this is more environmentally friendly -


4 posted on 05/07/2008 9:20:55 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: Abathar

I reckun that’s a bit more humane than using Trebuchets to send ‘em back to Mejico. ;-) (/sarc)


5 posted on 05/07/2008 9:22:05 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!)
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To: SengirV

They do leave a mess, huh?

It’s costing a lot of dineros to clean up some of those areas, lots of money.


6 posted on 05/07/2008 9:23:19 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!)
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To: SengirV

related thread

Groups Struggle to Clean Up Mess Illegal Immigrants Leave Behind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2012493/posts


7 posted on 05/07/2008 9:24:21 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!)
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To: NormsRevenge

“critics fear disastrous environmental consequences.....”

I fear disastrous American sovereignty consequences a lot more....


8 posted on 05/07/2008 9:25:54 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey, the Mythbusters showed that all you have to do is get a bunch of surgical tubing and the right kind of seat and it works just great. All you have to find a pond for them to land in and all is well! ;-)


9 posted on 05/07/2008 9:26:49 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

see, now your messing with the water quality. maybe if we encapsulated them in NERF material.;-)


10 posted on 05/07/2008 9:28:33 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’d love to see the before and after photos.


11 posted on 05/07/2008 9:29:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: NormsRevenge

They do leave a mess, huh?

Lets send Ted Kennedy in there and he can sing his Mexican songs while he’s picking all that crap up...


12 posted on 05/07/2008 9:29:09 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s about time to close down the border.


13 posted on 05/07/2008 9:29:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The "environmentalists" profess "concern", but that is just a smoke screen to prevent the fence from being built. They don't seem to care about all the huge brush fires caused by illegal alien camp fires or the massive amount of trash they leave on the hillsides. That is massive environmental damage compared to the area occupied by the fence.
14 posted on 05/07/2008 9:30:08 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

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15 posted on 05/07/2008 9:31:34 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Lets send Ted Kennedy in there and he can sing his Mexican songs while he’s picking all that crap up...

I think the uN and Amnesty Int’l may have a legitimate gripe if he did,, something about cruel and unusual punishment/torture to the surrounding wildlife and those hiding behind the bushes. (no, not those Bushes) ;-)


16 posted on 05/07/2008 9:32:54 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Why do I get the feeling that once again this is just political posturing? I’ll believe it when I see it!


17 posted on 05/07/2008 9:33:13 AM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: NormsRevenge

Your house is on fire. You don’t call in people to assess the possible damage done by water runoff, excess foot traffic on the grass, sound pollution due to sirens, etc.

You put the fire out first.


18 posted on 05/07/2008 9:34:29 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: NormsRevenge

Nope, just aim for the surf and all you have to worry about is the eventual oil slick on their beaches.


19 posted on 05/07/2008 9:35:50 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: SengirV

You need to post this picture on this other thread also- some are wondering how much trash illegals could be leaving behind.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2012493/posts


20 posted on 05/07/2008 9:36:32 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Photobucket

Looking east on the Mex side of the border with the Existing double fence.

21 posted on 05/07/2008 9:41:18 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Build it here, build it NOW!!


22 posted on 05/07/2008 9:57:14 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: DTogo

BUMP


23 posted on 05/07/2008 9:59:34 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: DTogo

Maybe we should have contracted the Israelis to build it! LOL


24 posted on 05/07/2008 10:01:24 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Like pulling teeth! LOL

If Bush had deployed troops & the Corps of Engineers after 9/11 to the border; we would have had a secure border by now...on both ends of the country!


25 posted on 05/07/2008 10:03:39 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: All

I live in San Diego. We also have this rather large oceanfront bordering on Mexico where there is no fence. You can surf or fishing boat into America from Mexico.


26 posted on 05/07/2008 10:16:54 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: NormsRevenge; pissant

Thank you Duncan Hunter!


27 posted on 05/07/2008 10:17:16 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because it's hard to blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: NormsRevenge
In September 2005, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff set a precedent by exercising the waiver authority in San Diego.

And yet he still gets ripped by those who are never happy.

28 posted on 05/07/2008 10:21:18 AM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: NormsRevenge

What a great idea. Gather all that trash up and CHUCK it over the boarder. What fun! Maybe we could make a Holiday out of it. Chuck-O De Trash-O !


29 posted on 05/07/2008 10:27:43 AM PDT by 70th Division (If we lose the Republic we have lost it all.)
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To: gubamyster
They may need concrete in that particular place.

Maybe they should use a solar power sound system featuring the looped song stylings of Yoko Ono.

“MAKE THEM PAY DEARLY FOR TRESSPASS”, I say.

30 posted on 05/07/2008 10:39:38 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think the uN and Amnesty Int’l may have a legitimate gripe if he did,, something about cruel and unusual punishment/torture to the surrounding wildlife and those hiding behind the bushes. (no, not those Bushes) ;-)

Wandering Ted Kennedy in the desert would be an eyesore for sure....He would probably end up like Chevy Chase from the movie Vacation....


31 posted on 05/07/2008 10:42:02 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: jamese777

Jamese777, I see in post #2 that it shows “proposed additional fencing”, so what type of fence is there at the moment? Thanks.


32 posted on 05/07/2008 11:32:26 AM PDT by 2dogjoe (Have a Blessed Day)
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To: NormsRevenge
This is the San Diego border crossing into Tijuana. 24 lanes of traffic always backed up for at least an hr or more.
33 posted on 05/07/2008 11:44:26 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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34 posted on 05/07/2008 11:45:59 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: 2dogjoe

“Jamese777, I see in post #2 that it shows “proposed additional fencing”, so what type of fence is there at the moment? Thanks.”

See post #21 for pictures of the fencing. Click below for an additional photo of the fence.

http://www.sandiego.edu/tbi/images/border_fence.jpg


35 posted on 05/07/2008 12:14:55 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: SengirV

What an amazing picture.. that is exactly what the river bed looks like coming out of TJ, but I guess Bob Filner, wears blinders when he passes that area...if he ever does..When he was first elected in his first month, the whole river backed up and flooded the area out..it was a disaster.. I remember I went to some of the home owners meetings with him, to get aid.. and some how he manged to get Mexico aid before the US side of the border.. and when I questioned this, he said that it was easier to get money to Mexico than to the US, and besides it was only 25.000 dollars..


36 posted on 05/07/2008 1:41:55 PM PDT by JoanneSD (illegals represented without taxation.. Americans taxed without representation)
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To: acoulterfan

Yep.


37 posted on 05/07/2008 1:44:13 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: 2dogjoe

Thanks for the link.

I hope we get a good, tough and long-lasting fence down here in South Texas.


38 posted on 05/07/2008 2:51:19 PM PDT by 2dogjoe (Have a Blessed Day)
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To: NormsRevenge
The project will require cutting earth from surrounding hills and filling in the canyon with more than 2 million cubic yards of dirt, an operation so large that critics fear disastrous environmental consequences.

The environmental folks have to think about the CO2 emissions and the dreaded urban sprawl that will be vastly reduced with millions of fewer illegals in the US.

39 posted on 05/07/2008 5:17:01 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Tammy8

I am far more concerned about the trash that makes it through.....


40 posted on 05/07/2008 6:06:21 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: NormsRevenge



















41 posted on 05/07/2008 9:30:42 PM PDT by Ladycalif (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: NormsRevenge

ping


42 posted on 05/07/2008 10:56:32 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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