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Ron Paul Uprising
Santa Fe Reporter ^ | May 7, 2008 | Dave Maass

Posted on 05/07/2008 12:50:59 PM PDT by Bokababe

Will a GOP uprising take place at the Republican National Convention?

As the mainstream media obsesses over the Democratic Party’s brewing civil war, supporters of Republican presidential candidate US Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, are already staging their own quiet uprising at GOP conventions across the nation.

If, by a strange twist of fate, the Republicans’ presumptive nominee, US Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., fails to win the first ballot at the national convention, “all hell will break loose,” one Santa Fe County delegate tells SFR.

In New Mexico, Paul would need to collect 15 percent of the popular vote to win delegates to the national convention. That’s exceedingly unlikely in New Mexico. McCain barely broke 10 percent in 2000 after George W Bush, like McCain in 2008, became the presumptive nominee following Super Tuesday. Instead, Paul’s grassroots and netroots campaign is attempting to stack the deck with what can only be called “cryptodelegates”—elected delegates to the national convention who are privately supporting Paul’s presidential bid. They would be “bound” to vote for McCain on the first ballot, but may vote for whomever they choose if the nomination is forced to a second ballot.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfreporter.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 2008rncconvention; braindeadzombiecult; election; larouchies; mccain; paulestinians; ronpaul
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1 posted on 05/07/2008 12:51:01 PM PDT by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe

fantasies, fantasies. McCain is a lock. I don’t know what this guy is smoking.


2 posted on 05/07/2008 12:57:00 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Bokababe

And how, precisely, is McCain not going to win on the first ballot?

I don’t like him, but this just ain’t in the deck.


3 posted on 05/07/2008 12:58:26 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in battle than it is to live as a slave.)
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To: Bokababe
Having lived in the People's Republic of Santa Fe, one should question anything one reads in the SF Reporter. It's the ultra-liberal weekly to the left of the ultra liberal daily, published in an ultra-liberal enclave. They may simply be encouraging this as a counter to Rush's Operation Chaos. -Wm Tate, www.atimelikethis.us
5 posted on 05/07/2008 12:59:39 PM PDT by wm_tate
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To: Bokababe

Sounds like libs are trying to foment their own version of “Operation Chaos.” Won’t work. We’re not like them.


6 posted on 05/07/2008 1:00:39 PM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: Bokababe
It's not going to happen. The liberal media is just trying to stir up trouble and deflect attention away from the chaos that is brewing in the Dem party.

John McCain is our nominee. The Paulbots need to quickly be shown the door. Too bad the same thing can't be done with Paul himself.
7 posted on 05/07/2008 1:01:23 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Hawk1976

>> I don’t like him, but [McCain NOT winning on the first ballot] just ain’t in the deck.

+1

On the other hand, recall this is ElRon Paul supporters we’re talking about.

They dont’ have a firm grip on reality to begin with.


8 posted on 05/07/2008 1:01:23 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (La Raza hates white folks. And John McCain loves La Raza!)
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To: wm_tate

Thanks for the input.


9 posted on 05/07/2008 1:02:05 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

McCain is a horrible loser. But as yet there has been no glimpse of a credible alternative.


10 posted on 05/07/2008 1:02:56 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Bokababe
Ron Paul.........a rumor in his own time.....
11 posted on 05/07/2008 1:03:21 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Bokababe

Should have been: Ron Paul.......a rumor in his own mind.....


12 posted on 05/07/2008 1:04:28 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: ModelBreaker

“I don’t know what this guy is smoking.”
Whatever it is, Paul thinks it ought to be legal


13 posted on 05/07/2008 1:05:38 PM PDT by MoreGovLess (If Hillary wins in November, blame Rush!)
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To: Bokababe

Maybe not Paul, but with Operation Chaos taking votes from the Republicans to the Democrats, maybe the anti McCain vote might have been a problem for the nominee since he got the nod.

26% of the NC GOP and 22% of the IN GOP voted against McCain. Is Operation Chaos preventing some egg on McCain face now? Could the one man race in the GOP had been alot tighter the past couple of months? Should Romney had stayed in?


14 posted on 05/07/2008 1:05:47 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: Sybeck1

McCain is already “over the top” with the # of delegates.


15 posted on 05/07/2008 1:06:42 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Bokababe

The Republican Party as it stands today needs an uprising, revolution whatever you want to call it. Whether it’s Paul’s people who lead it is of no concern to me so long as it happens. Anybody who can say with a straight face that what has transpired in the Republican Party since 2004 is at all good, is a Democrat.


16 posted on 05/07/2008 1:07:11 PM PDT by Cyclone Conservative
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To: Bokababe
If, by a strange twist of fate, ... John McCain, R-Ariz., fails to win the first ballot at the national convention, “all hell will break loose,”

...and if the ghost of Abraham Lincoln rides in naked on a circus pony, "all hell" will likewise "break loose."

17 posted on 05/07/2008 1:07:15 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The road to hell is paved with the stones of pragmatism.)
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To: Bokababe
OK so the nutroots are not the only ones smokin’ dope.

Now I know why libertarians oppose drug laws.

18 posted on 05/07/2008 1:08:19 PM PDT by NeilGus
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To: Hawk1976
"And how, precisely, is McCain not going to win on the first ballot? I don’t like him, but this just ain’t in the deck."

I am not well-versed in all the byzantine machinations of the electoral processes to comment on whether or not it is even possible. I was hoping that someone here might know more than I do.

I can recall here on FR not so long ago when there was a strong "anybody-but-McCain" movement, but it appears that this has changed quite a lot over time.

19 posted on 05/07/2008 1:09:21 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Sybeck1
26% of the NC GOP and 22% of the IN GOP voted against McCain.

Do you know what percent of registered Republicans actually didn't vote for him? I would assume a lot of folks just stayed home.

In California, 76% of registered pubbies did NOT vote for McCain.

20 posted on 05/07/2008 1:12:54 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Bokababe
Hey whoever is running the GOP these days!

I was disenfranchised here in Texas !!

Cross-over liberals and independents selected the Republican Nominee before I had a chance to vote for my guy!

21 posted on 05/07/2008 1:14:47 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: MrB

He does already have it. I’m just saying the No McCain vote could have been more prevalent if not for Operation Chaos.


22 posted on 05/07/2008 1:17:44 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: Bokababe; wideawake; ejonesie22; SJackson
Gotta keep in the news, epic fail guy has a book to sell and more donations to pocket.

How many have figured out they have been played by people pushing the Epic Fail Guy theme?
23 posted on 05/07/2008 1:18:03 PM PDT by mnehrling
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To: TexasCajun

And myself in Mississippi, I wrote in Thompson just out of spite.


24 posted on 05/07/2008 1:18:50 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: All

I think that regardless of what anyone think of Ron Paul, it is unwise to treat him as a marginalized nutcase. An article yesterday showed him as having passed the million mark in votes http://www.centredaily.com/business/story/577408.html and his book, “Revolution: A Manifesto” is number one in Amazon’s book sales, only a few days into its release — I am betting that it will get a whole new set of supporters.


25 posted on 05/07/2008 1:20:18 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: mnehrling; OrthodoxPresbyterian; George W. Bush; Revelation 911; NapkinUser; DreamsofPolycarp; ...

Let freedom Ping.

Did you read the book yet?

26 posted on 05/07/2008 1:20:36 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Cyclone Conservative
"The Republican Party as it stands today needs an uprising, revolution whatever you want to call it. Whether it’s Paul’s people who lead it is of no concern to me so long as it happens. Anybody who can say with a straight face that what has transpired in the Republican Party since 2004 is at all good, is a Democrat."

I am with you on that.

27 posted on 05/07/2008 1:22:53 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

All anyone needs to know about Ron Paul was learned the day before the Iowa caucus. I got through to him on a talk show. After praising him for his defense of the Constitution, I asked a foreign policy question.

Q. Dr. Paul, knowing the desires of Ahmadinejad and the mullahs, if North Korea sent a ship with nuclear tipped missiles to Iran, would you seize or sink that ship?

A. Why would we do that?


28 posted on 05/07/2008 1:23:02 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

I remember that Doug, it was an Epic PWN. The guy has the same ACU rating as McCain, if we aren’t going to give McCain a pass, why should we give him a pass?


29 posted on 05/07/2008 1:24:48 PM PDT by mnehrling
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To: Bokababe
In both Indiana and North Carolina, Mike Huckabee, who dropped out of the race over a month ago, outpolled Ron Paul by a two to one margin. There will always be protest votes, and George W. Bush experienced the same situation in 2000, with Buchanan and others receiving a significant minority of the vote even after Bush had secured the nomination.

The dissenters will come back to the fold if they fear Obama's radicalism more than they disdain McCain's RINOism. With Obama looking like the Democrats' choice, McCain will likely run a centrist campaign to appeal to those white blue collar and rural voters who voted for Hillary. He will run more like Nixon in 1972 than Bush in 2000 or 2004. McCain has little to fear from a third party run. The Constitution and Libertarian Parties will run their respective relative unknowns on a shoestring budget. They will likely have their usual vote totals under a half million. Ron Paul has kept his day job in Congress and will not run as an independent. His main danger on the right is from conservative indifference, boycott, or insufficient fear of an Obama Administration.

30 posted on 05/07/2008 1:25:26 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Bokababe
Wait! McCain was selected by way of the state-by-state primary process whereby the Democrats elected him fair and square!

This set the stage for the countervailing process known as "Operation Chaos".

31 posted on 05/07/2008 1:28:28 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: doug from upland

I recall that. Ron Paul is an idiot.


32 posted on 05/07/2008 1:29:40 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: doug from upland

I remember that. So we had to consider he wouldn’t have done a embargo on the Cubans in the Cuban Missle Crisis.

Still with McCain, we might win the distant war, but lose the battle here at home.


33 posted on 05/07/2008 1:29:54 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: SERKIT
McCain was selected by way of the state-by-state primary process whereby the Democrats elected him fair and square!

I hate to tell you, but a large majority of registered Republicans voted for McCain over everyone else. We can say it was Dem crossovers all day, and they may have bumped a point or two, but the Conservative candidates on our side just didn't cut it.

34 posted on 05/07/2008 1:30:45 PM PDT by mnehrling
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An article yesterday showed him as having passed the million mark in votes

Oh, sure. And about 500K of them at least will be voting for Obama if he's nominated.

Paul ran as the GOP's anti-war candidate.

His voters will vote for whoever is the most anti-war in the general election.

And, again, he has the same ACU rating as McCain.

If McCain isn't a conservative (which he isn't), Paul isn't either.

35 posted on 05/07/2008 1:39:46 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: ModelBreaker

I don’t know about other states, bu there is huge grass roots support for Paul in Montana.


36 posted on 05/07/2008 1:44:24 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ( Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.)
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To: Nervous Tick

lol

I hear that.

From the truthers to the neo-nazi’s, it is a sorted lot. And don’t get me started on what Paul has said about his idea of foreign policy


37 posted on 05/07/2008 1:44:40 PM PDT by Vanbasten
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To: ModelBreaker

IB4TZ?

Ummm... was this gent in a coma for the last few months, reviewing DVR copy of FoxNews and just started posting his blog opinions?


38 posted on 05/07/2008 1:46:56 PM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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To: wideawake

Citizens Against Government Waste
2008 Congressional Pig Book Member List

Paul 22.7 million dollars in pork
McCain 0.0 NONE


39 posted on 05/07/2008 1:48:17 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Bokababe

Id never vote for Paul but McCain surely isnt my first choice. Might be good to shake things up a bit at the convention.


40 posted on 05/07/2008 1:49:09 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: Rennes Templar

Did you mean “grass roots” or just grass, with Roots music?


41 posted on 05/07/2008 1:50:51 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: Bokababe

!!!!!!!


42 posted on 05/07/2008 1:51:08 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: 1035rep
2008 Congressional Pig Book Member List

Heck, he improved. In 2007 it was $400 Million

43 posted on 05/07/2008 1:51:33 PM PDT by mnehrling
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To: BlueStateBlues
Did you mean “grass roots” or just grass, with Roots music?

It would be grass with Roots music. 

44 posted on 05/07/2008 1:53:04 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Bokababe
I've already had some dealings with the RP supporters, and not good ones.

While every candidate deserves to have their views heard, it rankles me when asked about my view, it gets shouted down because it does not agree with them.

RP attracted all the nuts on both sides.

45 posted on 05/07/2008 1:54:32 PM PDT by Pistolshot (When you let what you are define who you are, you create racial divisiveness.)
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To: mnehrling
I almost forgot about the research for shrimp industries. Thanks for the reminder.
46 posted on 05/07/2008 1:56:14 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: calcowgirl

I didn’t vote for McCain in the TX primary! I voted for a candidate who had withdrawn already.


47 posted on 05/07/2008 1:56:37 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: 1035rep
The real good ones weren't even in that report by Fox. Things like $13Million to the Trans Texas Corridor, $2 Million to fund a federal child tracking database, etc...
48 posted on 05/07/2008 1:58:14 PM PDT by mnehrling
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To: All
The way I look at it, all we have right now are three choices of how to economically destroy America:

1. Obama, who will drive us into total bankruptcy with expensive social programs and foreign aid.

2. McCain, who will drive us into total bankruptcy via wars on more fronts, when one war has already put us so far into the red we can't see straight.

3. Hillary, who will initiate a combination of social programs we can't afford and wars we can't afford, until this country reaches total collapse under that enormous mountain of debt.

So, all three promise us nothing but financial ruin.

And once we are completely economically bankrupt, we will be beholding to any nation or group -- foreign or domestic -- who will finance us. These "financiers" will then run both our foreign and domestic policy, and it will no longer be "our country" anymore. We will simply be mercenary puppets on someone else's string.

So choosing among the three "front-runners" is nothing more than us "picking our poison" for the suicide of our country.

And, if someone -- particularly a Republican-- is offering an alternative to national suicide, I am all ears.

49 posted on 05/07/2008 1:58:46 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

these people are delusional


50 posted on 05/07/2008 2:01:19 PM PDT by Mercat (the magician has lost control of the show)
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