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Just Like Us! Really? (cooking the books on Radical islam)
The Weekly Standard ^ | May 12, 2008 | Robert Satloff

Posted on 05/07/2008 2:46:11 PM PDT by processing please hold

Gallup says only 7 percent of the world's Muslims are political radicals. Yet 36 percent think the 9/11 attacks were in some way justified.

On the inside back cover of books published by Gallup Press there is the following breathtaking statement:

Gallup Press exists to educate and inform the people who govern, manage, teach and lead the world's six billion citizens. Each book meets Gallup's requirements of integrity, trust and independence and is based on a Gallup-approved science and research.

Don't be distracted by the bad grammar. Focus instead on Gallup's "requirements of integrity, trust and independence." Thanks to a remarkable admission by a coauthor of Gallup's new bestseller Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think, we are now able to know precisely what Gallup's "requirements" really are.

Who Speaks for Islam? is written by John L. Esposito, founding director of Georgetown University's Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, and Dalia Mogahed, executive director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies. As the authors state at the outset, the book's goal is to "democratize the debate" about a potential clash between Western and Muslim civilizations by shedding light on the "actual views of everyday Muslims"--especially the "silenced majority" whose views Esposito and Mogahed argue are lost in the din about terrorism, extremism, and Islamofascism.

This majority, they contend, are just like us. They pray like Americans, dream of professional advancement like Americans, delight in technology like Americans, celebrate democracy like Americans, and cherish the ideal of women's equality like Americans. In fact, the authors write, "everyday Muslims" are so similar to ordinary Americans that "conflict between the Muslim and Western communities is far from inevitable."

Similar arguments have been made before; some of this is true, some is rubbish, much is irrelevant. The real debate

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I didn't want to excerpt this article but it is long.

Well I'm shocked./sarc

1 posted on 05/07/2008 2:46:11 PM PDT by processing please hold
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Muzzies: We’re not what you know we are.


2 posted on 05/07/2008 2:50:46 PM PDT by Eurale
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Gallup says only 7 percent of the world's Muslims are political radicals.

Well that's comforting to know that there are only ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE MILLION blood thirsty bastards that want to decapitate me or kill me by any other means possible...

3 posted on 05/07/2008 2:50:48 PM PDT by Wil H
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At least you have a number to work with.

/johnny

4 posted on 05/07/2008 2:53:38 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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The last four paragraphs below says it all.

So, there it is--the smoking gun. Mogahed publicly admitted they knew certain people weren't moderates but they still termed them so. She and Esposito cooked the books and dumbed down the text. Apparently, by the authors' own test, there are not 91 million radicals in Muslim societies but almost twice that number. They must have shrieked in horror to find their original estimate on the high side of assessments made by scholars, such as Daniel Pipes, whom Esposito routinely denounces as Islamophobes. To paraphrase Mogahed, maybe it wasn't the most technically accurate way of doing this, but their neat solution seems to have been to redefine 78 million people off the rolls of radicals.

The cover-up is even worse. The full data from the 9/11 question show that, in addition to the 13.5 percent, there is another 23.1 percent of respondents--300 million Muslims--who told pollsters the attacks were in some way justified. Esposito and Mogahed don't utter a word about the vast sea of intolerance in which the radicals operate.

And then there is the more fundamental fraud of using the 9/11 question as the measure of "who is a radical." Amazing as it sounds, according to Esposito and Mogahed, the proper term for a Muslim who hates America, wants to impose Sharia law, supports suicide bombing, and opposes equal rights for women but does not "completely" justify 9/11 is .  .  . "moderate."

Could the smart people at Gallup really believe this? Regardless, they should immediately release all the data associated with their world poll and open all the files and archives of their Center for Muslim Studies to independent inspection. With a dose of transparency and a dollop of humility, the data just might teach something useful to the world's six billion citizens.

5 posted on 05/07/2008 2:54:29 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Wil H
Gallup says only 7 percent of the world's Muslims are political radicals.

Well that's comforting to know that there are only ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE MILLION blood thirsty bastards that want to decapitate me or kill me by any other means possible...

Sleep tight!

6 posted on 05/07/2008 2:57:32 PM PDT by dhot (I take life with a grain of salt, a wedge of lime and a shot of tequila.....)
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To: Eurale

It’s their duty to lie to non believers. Until their numbers are sufficient.


7 posted on 05/07/2008 2:59:44 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/stock/060604


8 posted on 05/07/2008 3:00:14 PM PDT by AliVeritas (When the going gets tough, the tough vote present.)
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To: Wil H

Closer to 200 million.


9 posted on 05/07/2008 3:00:44 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: AliVeritas

Great article. Thanks for the link. Bookmarked.


10 posted on 05/07/2008 3:03:12 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Wil H
Correction----300 million.

The population of the United States.

11 posted on 05/07/2008 3:04:59 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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What Qur'an Teaches:

Quran tells us to: "not to make friends with Jews and Christians" (5:51), fight them "until they pay the Jizya (a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" ( 9:29). "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" ( 9:5).

Article this is from is HERE

12 posted on 05/07/2008 3:08:28 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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The Muzzies claim there are 1.6 billion of them, hence 112 million being 7%..


13 posted on 05/07/2008 3:10:10 PM PDT by Wil H
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The Muzzies claim there are 1.6 billion of them, hence 112 million being 7%..

You didn't read the article.

The cover-up is even worse. The full data from the 9/11 question show that, in addition to the 13.5 percent, there is another 23.1 percent of respondents--300 million Muslims--who told pollsters the attacks were in some way justified. Esposito and Mogahed don't utter a word about the vast sea of intolerance in which the radicals operate.

14 posted on 05/07/2008 3:14:52 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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Gallup says only 7 percent of the world's Muslims are political radicals. Yet 36 percent think the 9/11 attacks were in some way justified.

Leading one to wonder exactly what Gallup's definition of "political radical" is.

15 posted on 05/07/2008 3:23:35 PM PDT by RonF
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“This majority, they contend, are just like us. They pray like Americans, dream of professional advancement like Americans, delight in technology like Americans, celebrate democracy like Americans, and cherish the ideal of women’s equality like Americans.”
This describes my Muslim Brother In Law very well. A great husband to my sister. A wonderful father. An owner of a high tech business. But he’s a social Muslim. I’ve never seen him pray. But he grew up in Turkey. He’s a “social” Muslim, not a religious one. An example of upper-class Turkish secularism.


16 posted on 05/07/2008 3:31:40 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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Leading one to wonder exactly what Gallup's definition of "political radical" is.

I bet their definition is different than your and mine.

17 posted on 05/07/2008 3:49:39 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

What kind of muslim do you think your BIL would become if he moved your sister to Turkey? Would he still be a social muslim do you think? In Turkey, islam is the dominating religion. In the US it isn’t.


18 posted on 05/07/2008 3:53:12 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
An example of upper-class Turkish secularism.

Sorry, I didn't comment on this.

Then why doesn't he leave islam if he's more secularist than religious?

19 posted on 05/07/2008 3:55:58 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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He’s secular. He doesn’t pray at all. But he grew up in a Muslim country. Is that so hard to understand?


20 posted on 05/07/2008 4:03:36 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

It is hard to understand. Is he a muslim or is he a secularist?


21 posted on 05/07/2008 4:17:45 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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Download ‘Alms for Jihad’ here

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191742.php

This is a book banned by the Saudis that exposes Saudi charaties funding terrorists


22 posted on 05/07/2008 4:23:48 PM PDT by cyberella
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To: cyberella

Thank you. Bookmarked.


23 posted on 05/07/2008 4:32:26 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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He’s secular, but he grew up in a Muslim society. So many of his views are influenced by his Islamic(sort of) upbringing. My wife was born in Shanghai. She’s been an American citizen for 8 years. You wanna talk about culture clash! You haven’t experienced marital confusion until you’ve been yelled at in Mandarin! You’re helpless! But my point is, people who grew up in totally different societies have a different viewpoint than we Westerners have, but it doesn’t make them all bad.
BTW, if you check my previous postings, you’ll find I’m VERY anti-religious Islamic.


24 posted on 05/07/2008 4:48:29 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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