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McCain courts blue-collar Democrats
CS Monitor ^ | May 7, 2008 | Ariel Sabar

Posted on 05/07/2008 8:07:10 PM PDT by Red Steel

His lead strategist says if McCain were to get 20 percent of these voters he will win.

WASHINGTON - With the other party still waist-deep in its presidential nomination fight, John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, has been quietly courting the white working-class Democrats who have proved elusive for Barack Obama, his most likely rival in the fall.

In the two weeks since Senator Obama's loss in Pennsylvania, Senator McCain has visited the struggling steel town of Youngstown, Ohio, to promote programs to retrain workers. He has gone to Allentown, Pa., to push a gas-tax holiday and argue that the Democrats' healthcare plans gave too much power to the government. And in Appalachian Kentucky, he has pledged to bring new jobs and technology to rural America.

All are the sort of places where Democrats have favored Obama's rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton. If she loses the Democratic nomination, McCain has every intention of poaching some of her supporters for what is shaping up as a difficult fight against Obama in November.

Obama "may lose some of the traditional Democratic coalition if we run a good campaign and make a good case to some of those folks," says Charlie Black, McCain's chief campaign strategist. "If McCain were to get 20 percent nationally of blue-collar Democrats, he wins."

Some analysts dispute that figure, noting that Obama would probably offset any such deficit with high turnout among young voters and African-Americans. But many agree that a potentially significant number of Senator Clinton's working-class supporters could stay home or vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

Ronald Reagan rode the support of blue-collar Democrats to the White House in 1980, playing to social values and national security concerns and arguing that their own party had been hijacked by elites and special interests. Mr. Black

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 2008; bluecollarvote; mccain; mccainsucks; notomccain; oh2008; outreach; pandering; reagandems; rino; youngstown

1 posted on 05/07/2008 8:07:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I really think McCain will pick up a lot of these votes, rather than Obama. He may not be my first, second, or even third choice, but I’ll take him over any dem that was ever in the race.


2 posted on 05/07/2008 8:08:44 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Red Steel

“McCain courts blue-collar Democrats”

Well someone has to vote for him.


3 posted on 05/07/2008 8:45:35 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin445.htm)
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To: domenad

Hillary has given McCain a unique tool to beat Obama.

McCain now knows which counties went for Hillary, and that is where he needs to spend his time and limited funds.

Especially in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri, Wisconsin and Florida.


4 posted on 05/07/2008 8:53:31 PM PDT by proudpapa (May God Bless Our Troops.)
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To: Red Steel
McCain should appeal to "bitter" small town Pennsylvanians who "cling to guns and religion."


5 posted on 05/07/2008 8:57:45 PM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Red Steel
“If McCain were to get 20 percent nationally of blue-collar Democrats, he wins.”

Assuming that anyone in his former base will vote for him.
While I'm sure that he is going to pick up some votes here and there, they are not going to win him Pa or NJ.

Now talk Ohio and maybe Missouri, and thats a good strategy.

Pa will vote Obama. - Take it to the bank.
Things could change and its early days yet, but thats my take on it now.

6 posted on 05/07/2008 9:06:22 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Red Steel

He would do a lot better if he weren’t screwing the same with affirmative action, his open borders crusade, and globalism.


7 posted on 05/07/2008 9:28:15 PM PDT by rmlew (Down with the ersatz immanentization of the eschaton known as Globalism.)
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To: proudpapa
Hillary has given McCain a unique tool to beat Obama.

McCain now knows which counties went for Hillary, and that is where he needs to spend his time and limited funds.

Especially in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri, Wisconsin and Florida.

Good observation.

8 posted on 05/07/2008 9:31:15 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: domenad
I really think McCain will pick up a lot of these votes, rather than Obama. He may not be my first, second, or even third choice, but I’ll take him over any dem that was ever in the race.

What's your 4th or 5th choice for next election? The Hildabeast, who I despise, will look welcome to the way we are going. My vote is in the Constitution Party this time - the 6th time out of 7 elections. Not since RR have we had a TRUE American nominee.

9 posted on 05/07/2008 9:40:49 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: Grunthor

Still sore about being left out in the cold I see.


10 posted on 05/07/2008 9:43:30 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Antonio C

“Still sore about being left out in the cold I see.”

LOL, naw. I am just going to enjoy watching this fossil go down in a beating reminiscent of Carter or Mondale. I can think of no politician of any party that deserves it more.


11 posted on 05/07/2008 9:47:22 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin445.htm)
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To: Digger

Then you will throw your vote away as the CP has zero chance of winning.


12 posted on 05/07/2008 9:50:36 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Grunthor
Now that Obama's nomination is all but assured, I'm afraid you may not get your way since the American people will not support a left-wing extremist and racist. It will be McCain in a landslide, and I will so enjoy rubbing it in you peoples faces come election night.
13 posted on 05/07/2008 9:55:07 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Red Steel

Fine McCain going after the other parties voters is your job, but go after the Republican/conservative base primarily.

If he could get the conservative base solidly behind him, and then pick up some of the Reagan democrats he can win.

The problem is so much of what he has done and said over the years has made much of the conservative base distrust (or loath) him.

He has created his problems on his own. But finding the votes in the democrats will be unlikely as he is not R.R.


14 posted on 05/07/2008 9:58:36 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: bill1952
“Pa will vote Obama. - Take it to the bank”

Rendell live in PA so the POLLS will vote dem even if it totals more votes than the registered voters in the state.

Bank on that.

15 posted on 05/07/2008 10:02:55 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Antonio C
>the American people will not support a left-wing extremist and racist.

They just have, my friend. They just have.
And O will have mountains of cash, support and MSM spin.

McCain would be fortunate to win by one or two states, and I am not putting money down on that with Intrade, either.

16 posted on 05/07/2008 10:09:26 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Red Steel

The white peasantry in the upper midwest and PA will vote for Hillary, but will NOT vote for Obama. You can take that to the bank.


17 posted on 05/07/2008 10:16:52 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: bill1952

Only one or two states, huh? So tell me, Einstein, which state(s) will that be?


18 posted on 05/07/2008 10:17:27 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Antonio C
Then you will throw your vote away

yadda yadda yadda

I'm writing in Fred. WIth McCain the nominee, my vote just as well be thrown away.If he's the best the Republican Party can field, I'm leaving the party the day he's nominated.

Period. Case Closed. End of Story.

And I don't care how many of you people keep whining about throwing my vote away. Ive been hearing that since after RWR And I'm sick of it. If the Party don't want us to throw our votes away, then they need to put decent people up there for us to vote for.

McCain's been begging Dems to vote for him at LEAST since 2000 since that's the only hope he ever had to get into the WH.

I aint voting for him.

19 posted on 05/07/2008 11:02:52 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

This is what I don’t get about Fredheads: if you have so much respect for the man that you would write in his name, why not follow his example and support John McCain? It just makes no sense.


20 posted on 05/07/2008 11:07:48 PM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Antonio C

So true, election night on FR is going to be amazing. I’ll probably be up all night.


21 posted on 05/07/2008 11:28:20 PM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: Grunthor
Well someone has to vote for him.

Why?

; )

22 posted on 05/07/2008 11:35:56 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Antonio C; RobbingHood
Many of us did have a great deal of respect for Thompson until he jumped in to support McCain.  Quite a few Republican notables have destroyed their credibility on the alter of John McCain this year.  I've written off every one of them.  I'm not the only one.

We have followed John McCain's history for twenty years.  It's a thoroughly disgusting history.  Over the last ten years, it has gotten even worse. 

I don't trust the man one bit.  He prided himself in being a Maverick over the last ten years.  Well John, this year I and many others are being Mavericks.  I'm sure you'll understand why you don't get our votes.

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Senator John McCain wants to be the figure-head of Conservatism.  Okay, lets think that out...

John McCain becomes President.  He's still the same old John McCain.

The RNC backs his liberal policies to maintain a position of power
The Republicans in Congress back his polices to maintain access to the White House
Republican candidates for Congressional seats move to the left, since John McCain proved that moving to the left assures
RNC support  and
votes
The Republican party leadership at the state level moves left as McCain and the RNC demand it
Republican candidates at the state level move to the left, since John McCain proved that moving to the left assures Republican support and votes
Republican Conservative office holders across the nation will be silenced
Apologists on Conservative forums across this nation defend McCain against the few Conservatives who are left, and attack them there (forums move left)
Last but not least, the Democrats move even farther left to differentiate themselves from McCain

Who writes Conservative bills and rams them through state or federal government after that?

Who talks about Conservatism from a position of power?  Who takes the chance to disagree with McCain on anything?

Under a John McCain Presidency, Conservatism ceases to become a movement, and becomes a theory.  It will no longer be practiced by enough politicians to be viable.

Under leftist McCain, there is no functional opposition.  Promoting leftist policy, it all passes without opposition, nobody objects to the liberal policies
Under leftist Hillary or Barack, there is not only a functional opposition, it grows by leaps and bounds in objection to their policies

We saw what a one party system did to Arkansas under Clinton.  It was terrible.  Now we want to install that in our federal government, leftists one and all.

No thanks.  Color me dumb, but I'm not voting to turn the U.S. into 1980s Arkansas.

LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on the Republican National Committee, it's happening
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on future candidates, it's being advocated
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on State level Republican party leadership, it's happening
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on Republican Conservative office holder voices, it's happening
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on Conservative forums, it's happening

Folks, you either wake the hell up, or doom conservatism to oblivion.  After November the 4th, it's too late.  You will have silenced Conservatism in our nation for four or eight years, and quite possibly forever.

24 posted on 05/08/2008 2:36:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: Travis McGee; pissant

Ping!


25 posted on 05/08/2008 4:40:37 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hillary, Obama, McCain. Curley, Larry, Moe. Decisions, decisions,)
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To: RobbingHood

You’re confusing this conservative site with a Republican one. They are not the same thing, especially in the past few years.

If you want Republican cheerleading no matter how unconservative they have become, there are plenty of sites. I understand McCain’s own site has a blog that erases any negative criticism immediately. Can’t have those disgruntled conservatives gumming up the works, you know.

Welcome to Free Republic. A little hint: criticizing other Freepers for acting like conservatives in one’s very first post is bad form. It makes us think you might be here to promote an agenda, and you don’t want that, do you?

As for your question, beating Obama by appealing to Dems will not cause Republican coattails. If anything it will cause the Congress to be more Dem, as demoralized conservatives stay home. The Congress isn’t looking good for Republicans right now precisely because conservatives, who donate and provide free work for the party, are having none of McCain. I was contacted by an aquaintance in the FL GOP to ask if I’d volunteer for McCain’s campaign. I politely, if emphatically said, “no,” then asked how recruitment was going. His grim response: “We’re going to be pulling homeless people out of their tents if we don’t get some volunteers soon.” That is what happens when a politician spits at his base, repeatedly, and then asks for their support.

McCain may win those Dem votes, but he’s not going to get their money or their time. And with the media clearly in the tank for Obama, no money and no enthusiasm from the base will be a high hurdle for McCain to get over, no matter how much he panders to Democrats.


26 posted on 05/08/2008 7:54:56 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet (The NC GOP is McCain's maverick.)
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To: LadyNavyVet
"His grim response: “We’re going to be pulling homeless people out of their tents if we don’t get some volunteers soon.” That is what happens when a politician spits at his base, repeatedly, and then asks for their support."

Amen and right on!
27 posted on 05/08/2008 8:50:24 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hillary, Obama, McCain. Curley, Larry, Moe. Decisions, decisions,)
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To: bill1952

I think PA will be a deciding state in the election. It could be very close.

JMO

NO2


28 posted on 05/08/2008 8:59:02 AM PDT by No2much3 (I did not ask for this user name, but I will keep it !)
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To: RobbingHood

Who is assisting Obama? You fallen into the false dichotomy trap. You’ve also fallen into the trap of thinking that voters owe their votes to certain candidates, but the truth is exactly the opposite. It is McCain’s job to get me to vote for him. If he can’t do that, that is his failure, not mine. I am the customer in the political process, and the customer is always right.

“But, electing an obama is going to make matters much worse.”

A very good argument can be made that that’s not true. Quick, think of some egregious piece of Constitution-busting legislation with McCain’s name on it. The list is long and shameful. Now, do the same for Obama.

It freaks out the static, linear thinkers on this forum who consider only one input, ideology, in their analysis, but if one looks at all the factors, including the makeup of Congress, a good argument can be made that while Obama is philosophically further to the left than McCain, it may just be that the country will be better off under four years of an inept Marxist with unified Republican opposition, than a competent socialist with no effective legislative opposition.

The same principles that won’t allow me to vote for McCain will never allow me to vote for Obama, but I won’t be rolling around on the floor in abject grief if McCain loses, either.


31 posted on 05/08/2008 12:49:48 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet (The NC GOP is McCain's maverick.)
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To: RobbingHood
Welcome to FR. There is a small contingent of loudmouthed firebrands here who seem to think it "principled" to enable their worst enemy to take the Oval Office. Sort of like the kid who threatens to commit suicide to get back at the girl who spurned his advances. It is a form of adolescent acting out-- in this case, rebellion against the fact that no candidate is perfect, and that one necessarily has the duty in a democracy to vote for the best available candidate. A few freepers are too young and naive to accept that adult responsibility, and predictably, they blame the candidate instead of themselves.

Pay them no mind. Most of us have the sense to realize that half a loaf with McCain is better than starvation with Obama.

32 posted on 05/08/2008 3:18:33 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
Pay them no mind. Most of us have the sense to realize that half a loaf with McCain is better than starvation with Obama.

More like a slice. But, still, it's a slice...

33 posted on 05/08/2008 3:37:57 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Digger
My vote is in the Constitution Party this time - the 6th time out of 7 elections. Not since RR have we had a TRUE American nominee.

You only voted for Ronaldus Magnus once?

What did he do that was so unacceptable...???

34 posted on 05/08/2008 3:41:03 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: RobbingHood

McCain can’t win...Why waste your vote on him???


35 posted on 05/08/2008 3:44:31 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: TitansAFC; meandog; onyx; MARTIAL MONK; Kuksool; freespirited; Salvation; furquhart; mossyoaks; ...
20% is well within our reach

The McCain List.
Common sense conservatism

36 posted on 05/08/2008 7:05:13 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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