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Kristof: Abortion Will Bring Dems Together
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 05/08/2008 3:43:42 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

It was just another ho-hum piece by another liberal columnist. Hillary Clinton should get out now because staying in hurts Barack Obama against McCain. Yada yada yada.

But in his column of today, Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times, almost in passing, makes what is, on reflection, a telling disclosure of what is truly the fundamental value, the uniting principle of the Democratic party: abortion. After first fretting that many Hillary supporters will sit on their hands or vote for McCain, Kristof offers this countervailing fact:

"It’s true that most of Senator Clinton’s supporters presumably will flinch if they contemplate a McCain Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; cultureofdeath; hillaryclinton; nicholaskristof

1 posted on 05/08/2008 3:43:42 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

For Dems, it’s really about abortion. Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 05/08/2008 3:44:28 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Keeping track of the MSM so you don't have to!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It’s probably true. It probably is a unifying principle for them, and it probably will bring most of them back in the fold by November.


3 posted on 05/08/2008 3:51:53 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

What a sad commentary. The murder of little children can unite a party of killing worshippers. Wow.


4 posted on 05/08/2008 3:55:07 AM PDT by indylindy (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Moloch-worship. It’s not just for the Carthaginians.


5 posted on 05/08/2008 3:58:18 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

That’s why I callthem the Death Cult Party and instinctively wonder how any decent person in their right mind could be a party to such a group.


6 posted on 05/08/2008 4:00:03 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: incredulous joe

Think of it this way: it makes stealing a misdemeanor and that’s what they were really about all along anyway.


7 posted on 05/08/2008 4:07:56 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (what part of 'mias gunaikos andra' do Episcopalians not understand?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Good Grief! What a sad commentary on dim voter principles.


8 posted on 05/08/2008 4:38:33 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

for the left it is the eighth sacrament.


9 posted on 05/08/2008 4:48:32 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I thought for Dems it was really about hating Bush.


10 posted on 05/08/2008 4:54:36 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: BelegStrongbow

You’re being judgemental ~ we can’t have any of that!


11 posted on 05/08/2008 4:58:57 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: JohnLongIsland

That’s very true. Abortion (aka, killing of infants) does have a weird quasi-religious nature among the Dems. Pretty sick.


12 posted on 05/08/2008 5:07:25 AM PDT by livius
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
“Kristof: Abortion Will Bring Dems Together”
and destroy them. The fastest change among demographic voting groups is the turning away of younger people from baby killing. They have had all shame about unwed parenting wrung out of them by the rat and his insidious malignant buddies in the ratmedia. When the so called youth vote that wasn't showing up anyway, finds out that barack mcgovern is the king of dead babies even voting against protecting born babies, they will fall back and away. Without the young voters barack mcgovern will be left with 100% of the Black vote, which is exactly what algore and frenchie got and lost. This will be an ash kicking for the ages.
13 posted on 05/08/2008 5:27:13 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
For Dems, it’s really about abortion. Ping to Today show list.

Don't forget the Sodomy!

14 posted on 05/08/2008 5:52:26 AM PDT by gridlock (The natural state of the world is Darfur. The freakish aberration is America - - Ann Coulter)
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To: gridlock

Why murder your own future voters? Oh yea, we’ll just import them from Mexico!


15 posted on 05/08/2008 5:54:01 AM PDT by FiddlePig (truth is hard... lies are easy - http://redneckoblogger.blogspot.com)
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To: indylindy
Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times, almost in passing, makes what is, on reflection, a telling disclosure of what is truly the fundamental value, the uniting principle of the Democratic party: abortion.

I came to the conclusion that since Dems don't even care about abortion, they won't have a problem with Rev. Wright either...

16 posted on 05/08/2008 6:30:54 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: jmaroneps37

Abortion is also the issue that McCain can use to woo the growing Hispanic voting block.


17 posted on 05/08/2008 7:50:44 AM PDT by darth
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
"The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts, and the Disregard for Human Life" is a book written by National Review's Ramesh Ponnuru

http://www.amazon.com/Party-Death-Democrats-Courts-Disregard/dp/1596980044

Here is an article he wrote about the controversy the book's release caused:









Unreason
John Derbyshire vs. pro-lifers.

By Ramesh Ponnuru

John Derbyshire has written a long attack on pro-lifers, my book, and me. Opening lines: “Can Right to Life (hereinafter RTL) fairly be called a cult? This is a point on which I cannot make up my mind.” It is, I suppose, to Derbyshire’s credit that he does not pretend to be “personally opposed” to abortion or euthanasia, but rather straightforwardly argues for them.

He does, however, get some of his facts wrong. He writes: “Some people would say that a writer who refers to embryos as ‘the young,’ to Mrs. Schiavo as ‘disabled,’ or to the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment as having carefully pondered its implications for abortion, is just plain dishonest.” Derbyshire is making three accusations here, and none of them is true. Although it might be reasonable to refer to embryos as “the young,” depending on the context, I don’t do it in The Party of Death. I don’t refer to Mrs. Schiavo as “disabled,” although I quote someone else who does. I certainly don’t maintain that the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment “carefully pondered” its implications for abortion, or pondered them at all. Other than that, the sentence is fine. Derbyshire’s passage on embryonic-stem-cell research is similarly sloppy.

Derbyshire also makes some peculiar judgments. Derbyshire believes that the people who opposed the starvation of Terri Schiavo were all insane—his denunciation of us is the most entertainingly florid section of the review—and engaged in “monstrous character assassination of Michael Schiavo.” There were no excesses, apparently, on the other side. That’s his view, and he’s entitled to it. But so committed is Derbyshire to the pro-Michael Schiavo version of this story that he condemns me for not making every point that could be made in his defense. When I make a specific criticism of pro-lifers’ treatment of Mr. Schiavo, he condemns me for not going far enough. Indeed, he portrays me as Stalinist whitewashing pro-lifers’ record (“Here the author sounds like nothing so much as a Soviet Communist Party apparatchik”). He concludes: “Michael Schiavo is a good man criminally traduced by brutal, unprincipled RTL fanatics, from whose number, on the evidence of this chapter, Ponnuru cannot with certainty be excluded.” That man is a fanatic; he disagrees with me.

Derbyshire goes on to speculate about my religion and my “disingenuous” treatment of it. “Party of Death is obviously inspired by religious belief.” I have made a show of reasoning, but my conclusions have all rather conveniently lined up with the teachings of my church. “Protestations like Ponnuru’s, that the movement is not innately religious at all, should in fact be viewed with suspicion, as tactical attempts to inoculate RTL against courtroom defeats on church-state grounds.” I’m not sure what makes Derbyshire so confident that he knows what inspires me. For the record, my views on abortion have not changed since I was an agnostic.

It is true that I am a Catholic. It is also true that I believe that my church’s teaching on abortion is reasonable, sound, and correct. It is because I came to believe that Catholicism is true, after all, that I became a Catholic. If I didn’t believe Catholic teachings were true, I wouldn’t be a Catholic. So what? With this move, Derbyshire hasn’t discredited the soundness or reasonableness of my conclusions or of my method of reaching them. He has shown only that he has a weakness for the cleverly worded fallacy, or a fideistic understanding of religion.

Derbyshire writes: “The open glee with which pro-lifers greeted the recent elevation of two practicing Roman Catholics to the U.S. Supreme Court suggests that however much Ramesh Ponnuru might affirm the not-essentially-religious nature of the RTL thingummy, pro-lifers in general see matters otherwise.” Do pro-lifers think that serious Catholics are more likely to vote against Roe than other people? Of course we do. Who denies that? Certainly not me; I said as much during the confirmation hearings of both men. But note that most “pro-lifers” were gleeful, not just the Catholics among them; and note that most of those people supported the Bork nomination back in 1987, when Bork was not religious.

Derbyshire wants to exclude both religion and reason as guides to the moral truth about abortion, euthanasia, and related issues. In their place he exalts feelings, and criticizes me as “creepy,” “frigid,” “pitiless,” “inhuman,” and, worst, an “intellectual,” for not going along. This is the anti-intellectual core of his essay. (There is also a lot of piling on of rhetoric. “For RTL is, really, just another species of Political Correctness, just another manifestation of the intellectual pathology, the hypertrophied and academical egalitarianism, the victimological scab-picking, the gaseous sentimentality, that has afflicted our civilization this past forty years.” Gaseous is just the right word for this sort of logorrhea.) “America would be a happier and freer nation if the accursed intellectuals would just leave us alone with our lives, our blunders, our tragedies, and our deaths.”

The state cannot “leave us alone” in deciding under what circumstances to kill one another. There have to be rules, and we have to find some basis for figuring out what they should be. The notion that everyone’s natural feelings lead to support of abortion and euthanasia, and that intellectuals have recently been trying to overcome these natural inclinations, is preposterous—something, indeed, that only an intellectual could believe. That abortion was a crime used to be something nearly universally accepted, and felt. It took, among other things, a lot of intellectual work to change that. Many people changed their feelings in response to new ideas, and new situations partly created by those ideas. (And some people changed their ideas based on their feelings.) How should we feel about abortion? Is it a good thing or a bad thing that we feel less appalled by it than we used to? These are intelligible questions. You don’t have to have a high estimate of “the power of reason in human affairs” to think that the enterprise of reasoning about these matters should not be dismissed.

It is interesting—and of course gratifying—that the two leading criticisms of my book (Peter Berkowitz’s thoughtful review in the Wall Street Journal and Derbyshire’s intemperate essay) both attempt an escape from reason. This is nihilism. It is also laziness.


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18 posted on 05/08/2008 6:17:15 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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>> “I’m not sure what makes Derbyshire so confident that he knows what inspires me. “

Ponnuru is certainly holding back and could easily reduce Derbyshire to the level he belongs.


19 posted on 05/08/2008 7:39:15 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Gene Eric
I am continuing to lose respect for Derbyshire; in fact, I'm beginning to regard him as another limey poofter...whether or not he really *is* one, is another matter.

Cheers!

20 posted on 05/09/2008 3:58:38 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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