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Posted on 05/08/2008 4:22:58 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
After George W. Bush won Florida in 2000--O.K., I apologize to my Democrat readers for legitimizing Bush by using the word won. Also, I apologize to the Republicans for delegitimizing Bush by apologizing to the Democrats ...
This is what Florida has done to us. Nearly eight years after Bush--um, "became President"? Can we agree on that?--the Florida recount still grips our politics, down to its semantics. To choose a verb is to take sides. Florida is not just a state but a state of mind: the widely held attitude that the game is rigged (by the courts, the media, the voting machines ...) and that any close election is suspect. Florida looms over politics like the Alamo, the Maine and the grassy knoll all rolled into one.
On May 25, an HBO docudrama about the legal-political battle between Bush and Al Gore will remind us of all that again. [snip]
(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...
The Dem Party is such a fine tuned piece of machinery isn’t it JAMES PONIEWOZIK ? Oh, what are a Super Delegates? Why have them?
Even if the recounts did give Florida to al-Gore (which they didn’t), it wouldn’t have mattered if every single voter in Florida had voted for Bush if al-Gore had simply been able to carry his home state.
HBO taking sides? No Way! (sarcasm off)
Time-Lies is pwned by HBO’s corporate head Warner Brothers.
They are paid shills. Never mind the schlockumentary.
I thought that the theft in 1960 of the election was bigger. And VP LBJ got where HE was by stolen votes too. His first scampaign.
The timing is suspicious. How many times will this DNC fear ad run in October and November 2008?
They take it for granted that the military ballots should not have been counted.
Do they even mention the deliberately mendacious way the media called the state for Gore while the polls were still open in the Panhandle counties? That was estimated to have cost Bush 10,000 votes.
Democrats still haven't gotten over Carter conceding in '80 before the polls closed on the West Coast, thereby suppressing Democrat votes down the ballot out there.
But let Big Journalism announce the Florida "victory" of Gore before the polls were even closed in the Republican-leaning Panhandle of Florida - and let the delay between closing of the polls in a state and the calling of that state for Gore be markedly less than the corresponding delay of a state called for Bush (in all but one case), and somehow that is no issue at all.
“I thought that the theft in 1960 of the election was bigger. And VP LBJ got where HE was by stolen votes too”
My Mom worked for the phone company in Austin in the 50’s.
LBJ had his senatorial office there.
My Mom’s supervisor told the ladies IF they listened in on ANY calls to LBJ’s office and they REPEATED ANYTHING, she “would not be responsible for their safety.”
The Clintons were not the first.
Oh, please ... look at what the RATs have done since then. In Florida for cryin out loud!
Apparently they take it as fact that lots of seniors were confused by the butterfly ballot, when no evidence was ever presented that that had happened.
I’ll state it again here just for those that are not familiar with how the dems “vote” in south florida...
Please remember that Janet Reno came to Bill Clintons attention because she jailed 2 reporters in the 1980’s that uncovered massive Democrat Party vote fraud.. her reason was that they were in possession of a handful of the ballots that were tampered with.
The “league of women voters” used to “pre-punch” ballots with the dem candidate and positions ... using a normal stylus and guide as you would in a voting booth would be too slow.. so instead they used a “nail set punch” in a drill press , using this they can vote 20 , 50 , 100 ballots at a time ...
Well I guess in 2000 one of the old bitty’s punching up a win for AlGore was too old and feeble to punch all the way through each stack of ballots that she was “voting” ,, THIS IS THE GENESIS OF THE DIMPLED AND HANGING CHADS ... please note that this explains fully why there were so many ballots dismissed because a vote was cast for multiple candidates, if you punched Bush your ballot was discarded as you had also punched Gore...
This is fact , this is the face of the enemy ... here is a link to the book devoted to the subject .. http://www.amazon.com/Votescam-Stealing-James-M-Collier/dp/0963416308 as this occurred in a pre-internet time frame it is difficult to document using the internet ,, the newspapers involved haven’t seem fit to archive these articles on a web server.
"No need to get snippy!": Algore, 2000
I think these book reviews pretty much say it all ...
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Rollicking But Substantial Look at Voter Fraud, October 31, 2006
By Todd and In Charge (Miami, FL) - See all my reviews
This book is more of an autobiography of the amazing lives led by two South Florida originals, the Collier brothers, than it is an overview of voter fraud in America.
That said, it is instructive and important as it lays out the institutional, governmental, and other structural roadblocks to transparency in voting, at least as experienced by these two firebrands in good-old-boy Dade County in the 1970s.
From running the legendary rock club in the late 60s, Thee Image, in North Miami (which brought Led Zep, the Dead, Jimi, and all the other major acts down), and promoting the infamous Doors show in Coconut Grove, to founding the original Sunscrene business that became Hawaiian Tropic, to running a muckraking local newspaper, to putting on a rock concert in the Grand Canyon, to reuniting the Mamas and the Papas, to living on the beach near 86th Street and Collins, to confronting Janet Reno regarding voter fraud, these guys did it all.
But the serious part deals with their assertion that the League of Women Voters were helping to “punch” the chads on voter cards in Dade County in the early 1970s, and thereby sway elections, along with curious exit polling that immediately predicted the winners minutes after the polls closed. This led to numerous other incidents, some fanciful, some perhaps not, that led the Colliers all the way to DC to confront the powers that be with documented video evidence of their assertions.
Personally, I think the book could have benefited from footnoting, so the quotes and citations can be verified and confirmed. That doesn’t mean they didn’t have a point, just that the point could have been more credibly presented with such citation. I’m also interested in seeing the video they took of chad-punching in Miami in the 1982 election, perhaps this is online somewhere.
Anyway, the book is well worth a read as background on our current problems with vote transparency, the joke of the 2000 election results, and the issues we need to address in the future to ensure that our vote is secure. Comments (2) | Permalink | Was this review helpful to you? (Report this)
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Is the presidential election in Florida being votescammed?, November 10, 2000
By J Neil Schulman (Culver City, CA USA) - See all my reviews
Votescam: The Stealing of America tells the story of an independent journalistic investigation from 1970 to 1989 into election-stealing in Dade County, Florida.
The investigation discovered that News Election Service, now renamed Voter News Service, not only provides pool coverage to all the TV networks of vote-counting, but actually manipulates final election results, using techniques ranging from confusing voters to outright intimidation and tampering with ballots.
The existence of Voter News Service is no longer obscure, thanks to their being outed by Dan Rather during this year’s reporting of the November 7, 2000 presidential election. Voter News Service is responsible for causing the networks to call a victory for Gore while the polls were still open in western Florida — and still open during the heaviest voting hours on the west coast of the U.S. — discouraging Republican election workers and Republican voters from continuing to get the vote out. The likely result — the “Florida effect” — was to tip the 2000 elections in California, Oregon, and Washington to the left, not only in the presidential race, but also in Congressional races and ballot initiatives.
Votecam: The Stealing of America exposes the complicity of the news media in corrupting American elections, and even former Florida Attorney General (and now U.S. Attorney General, Janet Reno, is shown to be part of America’s votescam.
Fidel Castro’s news service, Granma, has now indicted America’s elections as no better than a Banana Republic. Mr. “no elections since he took over Cuba” should know a banana republic when he sees one.
Votescam was twenty years ahead of the curve in warning us that what we are now seeing in Florida was a festering sore waiting to infect the American body politic.
Read this book and pass it around.
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Weight of the evidence, November 21, 2004
By James A. Stirniman “CPA” - See all my reviews
I am a forensic certified public accountant by profession, with experience as a poll worker. During any fraud investigation the evidence uncovered is assigned a weight, meaning some facts trump other facts to determine the future course to be followed. Some facts are an elephant in the room. To attempt to discredit this book as another “conspiracy theory” without refuting the charges contained within it’s pages is to ignore the weight of the evidence. Names, events, places, and charges are enumerated in detail. If you read this book, a simple dismissal as a “wild eye conspiracy theory” will not satisfy you. It will only reinforce the authors evidence. If you are concerned about our Democracy, read this book.
If Bush lost 0.52% of the national vote because of the election eve disclosure of his decades old DWI arrest, then it cost him the so called Popular Vote. Gore’s “margin of victory” was 0.51% WELL within the margin of error for tabulation.
LBJ bought the silence of the Houston Chronicle by allowing a bank merger to go through (under monopoly review).
He kept a signed letter from the paper as insurance against them spilling the beans. It came to light in the 1990s when his tapes were released.
Where is the recount of the delayed tallies in Gary Indiana this year?
Bush may have lost some votes on election day because of the way the state results were announced as if to make it appear Gore was winning the election...the DUI story may have suppressed Bush’s popular vote total by several million votes (evangelicals who didn’t vote for him because of the story).
A novel, to be sure, but probably reflects reality.