Posted on 05/08/2008 10:09:54 PM PDT by doug from upland
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What’s going to happen to the collider? http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
IT COULD DESTROY ALL LIFE ON EARTH!!!!!
Well, if you hit the puddle at the proper speed...
Does that have anything to do with "crossing the streams?"
LOL! And water makes your engine clean!
And thats a bad thing?
More important question here. What is the shelf life of Jack Daniels?
Just the end of life, the Universe, and everything.
:-)
Quite a long time so long as he doesn’t fall off...
Yes, of course a car can run on water, all it needs is a steam engine, a little heat and vrooom, it is running on water! Getting the heat might prove to be difficult but hey, nothing is perfect.
Only if two guys are writing their names in the snow.
Ted K once tried to see if an Olds could run UNDER water.
My boat runs on water.
Its has an LQ6 in it.
Runs well on the water at Lake Havasu.
I'll tell you how, but if you patent it, I want a cut.
In diesel engine, the piston compresses the air to get heat to the top of the piston. The air temp at the top of the stroke is around 1100 F. At 350 psi, water needs about 450 F to turn to steam. If you injected water into the 1100 F air, you should get superheated steam and push the piston down with expanding steam. I haven't been satisfied with all the nay sayers excuses of why it won't work. Each reason they say it won't work can easily be fixed. One says spraying water into the cyl with cool it down before it turns to steam. I say its a very small amount of water shot into a large amount of compressed air. If they are correct, then just keep your glow plugs on all the time. If that doesn't work, mix a little ethanol in with the water spray to make combustion keep the cyl warm. The exhaust could be re captured and condensed and put back into the tank for reuse. All I know is spraying water on a piece of metal at 1100 F makes steam pretty good. The 1100 F air temp is hot enough to light diesel. It should be hot enough to make steam.
BTW, the reason I haven't done it is I don't have the money to blow up a few diesels to experiment with the proper injected amount. Not enough, nothing happens, too much and you blow your head bolts off or crack a piston. I've been thinking of this for 30 years.
>>>Can a car run on water?
Sure it can. When chasing the Road Runner if the Coyote could run on air past the edge of the cliff, a car running on water can’t be that hard. Just don’t look down.
Well, chuckles on the surface your idea seems as if it could work. Unfortunately I don’t have the money to experiment either, but I think it sounds feasible enough to give it a try if someone had the money to follow through on it. I would think that the cooling would probably be the biggest obstacle, wow, I wonder if anyone has ever given this a try?
Good plan. Keep thinking. It would be terrible to ruin your thoughts with actual data.
Special water though, purchased from ACME ENERGY & WATER CO.
These guys are selling very expensive books. That is the one thing you have to buy if you can’t quite figure out the system from the description. Books is the one thing they don’t promise your money back on if unsatisfied. Check out their site. Scan down the page until you see the books. Then it becomes clear. They can sell ten thousand kits or units and give the money back on every one and they still make their profit.
No,....I didn't think so. I have gotten an engine to run on 50/50 water/gas. Have you?
Simple: there is no energy release, only energy transfer. Sure, you compress the air & concentrate heat, and the steam pushes the piston back out ... and there goes your energy out the tailpipe, requiring a separate influx of energy to re-compress the piston. Diesel works by releasing enough chemical bond energy to re-compress the piston; water won't.
I was probably a little too flippant with my answer, so I'll expound. The first theory is the Universal Gas Law: PV=nRT. n and R are constants, so it means that pressure times volume is proportional to temperature. When you introduce water, it first vaporizes, making steam, which consumes its heat of vaporization. This takes energy out of the system, and PV, or T or some combination of them actually get smaller due to this loss of energy. If you now release the pressure with an exhaust valve, the remaining energy in the piston is lost, and the engine stalls. There is no additional energy added into the system to compress the next load of air.
That is theoretically true, but all methods we have for splitting water into Hydrogen and Oxygen use a lot more energy that is produced by burning the hydrogen.
The point is, I believe the problems could be solved if the Principal of mechanical heat works at all. It's not enough just to say, "It won't work", or "If it could be done, we would have already done it". Sometimes it takes decades to work out the problems on something new. If you just run an air compressor, it gets so hot you can't touch it and it doesn't have the compression a diesel has. It's just a matter of saving enough heat to start the next cycle. Maybe no water jacket. Maybe no cooling needed at all. Maybe added heat with a fuel/ water mixture. Anyway, I figured the cyl should be at least 212 F for the next cycle. I'm not smart enough to know the math to figure how many BTU's are needed to raise the temp of the cyl back up to the needed heat. If you just crank the starter with no diesel fuel, the air temp is still 1100 F each stroke.
I've just seen the raw power of steam blowing up pipelines and engines and other containers, and I figure it could be repeated each stroke. In Deer Park Texas, a pipe had 900 F oil run through it after a turn around. It hit about 5 gallons of water in a low spot of the pipe. The pipe blew up and destroyed a cement block building. All men in the building were killed. It went to the slab. I asked the people at the scene about it( I haven't checked on my own) and they said water expands 30,000 times it's normal size when flashed to steam. So that's 30k x 5= 150k time the size of a 5 gal bucket. That would be the size of a swimming pool if that number is correct. Maybe it was 3k instead of 30k.
I built an ultrasonic transducer water/fuel mixer years ago and used it to run a 10hp Briggs with 50/50 water/gas. I could never get the problem fixed of the separation in the float bowl even cutting the water supply for 5 min before shutting the engine off. Whatever water( I called it milk) was not flushed still stayed in the bowl and messed up the next run. Today with EFI, it should be able to be done. Advantages, more compression can be used with water injection, more power with resulting steam expansion. If you could go 50/50, then a 20 mpg car would get 40mpg with no real modifications. Also, a turbo setup would allow more pressure. I thought maybe a 2 carb setup. One for start and one for run. Anyway, I quit. The money it takes to make a serious run at this stuff is more than an ex telephone man makes.
Your method of injecting water into an engine cylinder introduces no additional energy into the process. The work done to turn the water into steam comes from the work done to compress the gas. Since the efficiency is always less than 100%, no energy can be used from the engine, and it would quickly stall.
A fundamental law is that "energy can neither be created nor destroyed." You can only change its form. In the case of burning fuel, nuclear energy from the sun is converted by photosynthesis into stored chemical energy in the fuel (along with a few million years of storage in underground "tanks". This chemical energy is converted into thermal energy when the fuel is burned (about 130,000 BTUs per gallon of fuel), and this thermal energy powers the vehicle. Your method does not provide a source of energy. It only converts energy in one fluid into another. The losses associated with this process would quickly consume what ever energy was put in with a starter, or glow plug, to begin the process.
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