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US pushing hard for border agreement [Israel's border]
Jerusalem Post ^ | 5-9-08 | HERB KEINON

Posted on 05/09/2008 5:34:45 AM PDT by SJackson

Israel and the Palestinians need to "draw a map and get it done," according to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, using language conveying a degree of impatience a week before President George W. Bush is scheduled to visit the region.


US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Photo: AP [file]

Rice, en route to Washington from Israel on Monday, was asked by a reporter on her plane about Bush's April 2004 letter to then-prime minister Ariel Sharon, which stated that "in light of new realties on the ground," a full withdrawal to the 1949 Armistice Lines is "unrealistic."

Any final-status agreement "will only be achieved on the basis of mutually agreed changes that reflect these realities," the letter continues.

Bush's letter was widely interpreted in Israel as a US acknowledgement that Israel could keep the larger settlement blocs under any future agreement.

Rice said that "some of those realities have been recognized in every agreement that never quite made it as well. So this is nothing new, that those realities have been acknowledged."

But, she added, Bush said this would all be subject to "mutual agreement, and I would remind that the president's letter talked about realities at that time. And there are realities for both sides, which is why they need to draw a map and get it done."

Despite a US-administration push for some kind of joint Israeli-Palestinian declaration of progress during Bush's visit, perhaps an agreement on borders, the chances of that happening in a meeting between Bush, Olmert and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas were reduced considerably Wednesday when the US announced that there was unlikely to be a trilateral meeting during Bush's visit.

US National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley put to rest weeks of speculation that the three leaders would meet, saying during a briefing in Washington that "this did not seem the time for a big high-level, three-way event with the president and the prime minister and President Abbas. It just doesn't feel right as the best way to advance the negotiations. And so, at this point, there [are] no plans for such a meeting."

Hadley said the US president, accompanied by first lady Laura Bush, would arrive in Israel on Wednesday and meet separately with Olmert and President Shimon Peres.

Bush, Hadley said, "will reaffirm his personal commitment to peace between Israelis and Palestinians, and encourage continuing efforts for a two-state solution, a democratic Israel and a democratic Palestine living side-by-side in peace and security."

He also said the trip would "demonstrate the president's steadfast opposition to extremists and their state sponsors, Iran and Syria, who are expending enormous energy to thwart opportunities for security, freedom and peace in the region."

Bush will also address the Knesset, tour Masada, meet with Quartet envoy Tony Blair, host a reception in honor of the state's 60th anniversary, and participate in a roundtable conversation with Israeli youth.

Bush is scheduled to fly to Saudi Arabia next Friday to mark the 75th anniversary of formal US-Saudi relations, and meet with Saudi King Abdullah at his private farm.

On Saturday, Bush will travel to Sharm e-Sheikh and meet with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, followed by separate talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. On Sunday, he is scheduled to meet with Jordan's King Abdullah II, followed by separate bilateral meetings with PA Prime Minister Salaam Fayad and Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora. He will also take part in the World Economic Forum in Sharm before departing for the US on May 18.

In Jerusalem, Olmert is expected to update Bush on the situation with Syria, including the status of recent feelers going back and forth between Damascus and Jerusalem. Bush has not encouraged Israeli-Syrian talks, but his spokesmen have said repeatedly that he had also not told Olmert not to undertake them.

Olmert, in an interview with the French weekly Paris Match published on Thursday, said he wanted to make peace with Syria, and that he was ready for it and "perfectly informed about what that means."

At the same time, a Turkish initiative to hold a meeting between Israeli and Syrian officials fell through after Damascus leaked to the press that Olmert had agreed to relinquish all of the Golan Heights in exchange for peace, the London-based pan-Arabic daily Al-Hayat reported. The paper said the meeting, which was scheduled for "somewhere in Istanbul," was supposed to produce a joint Israeli-Syrian-Turkish declaration.

According to another report, the chances that such a meeting would be held in the near future were slim due to the US administration's stance on Damascus. The Egyptian government weekly Al-Ahram quoted a Syrian source as saying that talks between the two sides would only begin next year, after the new US president entered office.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel

1 posted on 05/09/2008 5:34:45 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 05/09/2008 5:36:32 AM PDT by SJackson (I'm a lawyer, Barack is a lawyer, all our friends are lawyers, Michelle O.)
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To: SJackson

I’d sure like to see our gubbmint “push” this hard for a border agreement with Mexico!


3 posted on 05/09/2008 5:49:47 AM PDT by 43north (I hope we are around long enough to become a layer in the rocks of the future.)
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To: 43north

Mexico agrees with us about the border, simply leave it alone. Water on the US side would be nice in the summer though. And don’t be in any rush building that stupid apartheid wall Congress mandated.


4 posted on 05/09/2008 5:51:32 AM PDT by SJackson (I'm a lawyer, Barack is a lawyer, all our friends are lawyers, Michelle O.)
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To: SJackson
sotto voce meanwhile, to the north, Hizbollah has taken matters into their own hands and taken over Lebanon. Who could have seen that coming? Another brilliant piece of work by the US State Department.
5 posted on 05/09/2008 6:04:33 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: SJackson

Now that the hezzies are takin’ over Lebanon, I have some doubts about W goin’. Things may be gettin’ too hot too fast!


6 posted on 05/09/2008 6:06:59 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: SJackson
US Wasting Time over Israel Border Agreement

Fixed it.

7 posted on 05/09/2008 6:09:20 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SJackson

For cryin’ out loud Condi, No border agreement will ever bring “peace’ to Israel and “Palestinians”. Smarten up and read the Hamas Charter to figure out why.

Hamass and Hizbullah have to be smashed and annexed lands left as they are. No where else in the world is it any different, why should Israel be?


8 posted on 05/09/2008 6:37:58 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 43north

Me too!


9 posted on 05/09/2008 6:43:31 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hillary, Obama, McCain. Curley, Larry, Moe. Decisions, decisions,)
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To: SJackson
Israel and the Palestinians need to "draw a map and get it done," according to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice,...

Oh, is that all that needs to be done?
Well, why hasn't anyone thought of that before?? (/sarcasm)
10 posted on 05/09/2008 6:56:15 AM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: Nathan Zachary
For cryin’ out loud Condi, No border agreement will ever bring “peace’ to Israel and “Palestinians”. Smarten up and read the Hamas Charter to figure out why.

This administration is livin' in a freakin' fantasy world.
11 posted on 05/09/2008 7:00:01 AM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: Nathan Zachary
"For cryin’ out loud Condi, No border agreement will ever bring “peace’ to Israel and “Palestinians”."

A border agreement brought peace to Israel and Jordan. A border agreement brought 30 years of peace to Israel and Egypt.

But it wouldn't with the Palestinians? Are they that different than the Jordanians or the Egyptians who actually invaded and tried to destroy the entire State of Israel?

12 posted on 05/09/2008 7:00:33 AM PDT by vincentfreeman
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To: SJackson
It seems like the last three presidents have tried to tie a legacy to peace in the Middle East.

Evidently these presidents have not read their own Christian bible.

Peace will never happen between Israel and Palestine because simply Christians and Muslims can not co-exists.

Can not heal 5,000 years of really bad blood.

13 posted on 05/09/2008 7:06:26 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: SJackson

Mexico agrees with us about the border, simply leave it alone. Water on the US side would be nice in the summer though. And don’t be in any rush building that stupid apartheid wall Congress mandated.
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does that mean you think its an apartheid wall that the Israelis have put up between themselves and the west bank.


14 posted on 05/09/2008 8:25:19 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: vincentfreeman
But it wouldn't with the Palestinians? Are they that different than the Jordanians or the Egyptians who actually invaded and tried to destroy the entire State of Israel?

Yes, they're not defeated, Jordan and Egypt were. Jordan and Egypt had functioning governments, able to maintain order within their borders. Though Egypt still fights by proxy, while rearming with American assistance. The palestinians insist on a "border" which includes Tel Aviv, even the temporary border Abbas is talking about includes the relocation of 4 million palestinians to Israel. And no, with "borders" they won't give up the struggle. The purpose of the "state" is to function as a platform from which Arab armies can destroy Israel. After reunification with Jordan, of course, which won't be peaceful. That's been formal PLO policy for over 3 decades.

15 posted on 05/09/2008 9:15:02 AM PDT by SJackson (I'm a lawyer, Barack is a lawyer, all our friends are lawyers, Michelle O.)
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To: ckilmer
does that mean you think its an apartheid wall that the Israelis have put up between themselves and the west bank.

It was sarcasm, but consistancy does require that those who condemn the Israeli wall condemn the US wall, as well as those under construction in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Same with civilian casualties, condemning one requires condemning the other. Of course a lot of people gladly condemn both, little satan, big satan.

16 posted on 05/09/2008 11:15:46 AM PDT by SJackson (I'm a lawyer, Barack is a lawyer, all our friends are lawyers, Michelle O.)
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