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Londonistan and end of an era
Khaleej Times ^ | 9 May 2008 | MOEED PIRZADA

Posted on 05/09/2008 1:16:11 PM PDT by forkinsocket

KEN Livingstone’s defeat at the hands of Boris Johnson in the elections for the Mayor of Greater London, last week, was the end of an era. It was a development bigger than the city of London or UK with ominous implications for Muslim communities across Europe. Yet few of us in the Muslim media, across the world, so easily carried away with the nonsense of Geert Wilders, paused to reflect on the enormity of what happened.

Some events help to understand ourselves. Living all those years in London I never felt it was part of my identity. Yet suffering the visuals that emanated from the screen of BBC World News, with Ken Livingstone conceding his defeat, I suddenly had to clutch for support. With weakness in my legs and butterflies in my stomach, with something hitting in my face, I knew an age in the world history had passed — and for worse.

We learn and grow through cycles of pain. And it was an Archimedes moment, with masters of anguish and torment suddenly teaching me that my own identity which I so desperately want to fit in neatly and safely in some national container is a product of all that I experience and pass through. And London was part of me and still is irrespective of where I live. And whether I accept it or not I am a progeny of all religions and cultures and political spheres; call it whatever you may.

Every reality can be perceived in infinite ways. To me London in the beginning of 21st century is a phenomenon that belongs more to the world than to England. I am sure it is a frightening thought to many English people but the city that stamped its mark on the soul of an Empire was in turn infected by the people it ruled.

Today with teeming Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs, Israelis, Africans, French and Poles and countless others it is home to 300 languages and as many sub-cultures and not to forget dozens of varying religious identities hidden within the capsules of these national and cultural denominations.

If you include the 11 per cent Irish then almost 40 per cent of its approximately 8 million populations has a minority feeling of one or the other kind. Few realise it is the largest Muslim city in United Kingdom. And it was this diversity, this complexity Ken Livingstone served; and provided a spirit with by reaching out to everyone.

If in 2002 Livingstone introduced Saint Patrick Day’s festival to London then in 2005 he was hosting a Jewish Hanukkah ceremony and intending it to be an annual conference and in October of 2006 it was the first ever Eid in the Trafalgar Square marking the end of Ramadan.

If in September of 2005 he supported the placing of a statute of Nelson Mandela in Trafalgar Square then in August of 2007 he was offering apologies on behalf of London and its institutions for their role in transatlantic slave trade.

Immediately after the attacks on London subway, Ken Livingstone, as Mayor, addressed the terrorists telling them that though they do not fear death, they must fear the fact that, whatever they may do, London will continue to be the place: “where people will arrive from all over the world to become Londoners...where freedom is strong and where people can live in harmony with one another” ...it was his style of revenge.

In contrast Boris Johnson, now his successor in office, reacted to the tragedies of 7/7 by declaring that “it is time to reassert British values...that means disposing of the first taboo, and accepting that Islam is the problem..”

Two weeks later in a BBC interview, Livingstone was now reminding his audience of the 80 years of western intervention into predominantly Arab lands because of the western need for oil. What was Boris Johnson doing? At one point in time he said: “If I were an Israeli, I would be astounded that any member of the British government or opposition felt able to criticise Israel at all.”

And at another moment he said: “If we were Israelis we would dispatch an American built ground-Assault helicopter to blow the place to bits and then we would send bulldozers to scrape over the remains...the best way to deter Palestinian families from nurturing these vipers in their bosoms, and also the best way of explaining to the death hungry narcissists that they may get 72 black-eyed virgins of scripture, but their family gets the bulldozer”

If we factor in what these two men have been living in the same city, parallel to each other in time and space, then the contrast between their understandings of the world and how to respond to its complexity could not have been starker.

Livingstone called his parents “working class”; he was educated less through universities and more through the mill of life. Boris Johnson went to Eton and later Oxford; yet despite this, or perhaps because of it, his worldview is a sad tiny fragment of what his predecessor possessed. Could this be the result of seeking to understand the world through the tiny window of class and race?

Ken’s defeat was a sad day for the Muslim and Asian communities in London and across UK. Always under attack, or perceiving it so, in Ken they had a friend and a strong voice ready to risk media’s wrath to defend them. But has anybody taken cognizance across the Muslim world?

What about Pakistan the country that continues to boast its connections with the British Muslim communities? Not even a whimper; and newspapers did not even have an inner page story on something that was so important to the British Muslims.

The vote for Boris Johnson was a negative vote: it was against the expansion of congestion charge; rising costs of 2012 Olympics and a general mood of anti-incumbency and what they call is the pendulum effect of politics ...but in handing down London to Johnson people have selected an interesting media face whose mind is much smaller than the challenge of the city he is now set to rule. May God protect London from his parochialism!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: borisjohnson; london; londonistan; mayor; uk
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1 posted on 05/09/2008 1:16:11 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

How broad minded and inclusive of the Muslim media...


2 posted on 05/09/2008 1:18:38 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: forkinsocket

Need help packing?


3 posted on 05/09/2008 1:21:06 PM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: forkinsocket

At least the author was up front enough to refer to the city as Londonistan.


4 posted on 05/09/2008 1:21:28 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: forkinsocket

“May God protect London from his parochialism!”

May God protect us all from Moslem butchers!


5 posted on 05/09/2008 1:23:18 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: forkinsocket

I love London, or at least used to. Their open door to Pakistanis, Jamaicans and other members of the collective third-world sewer has made much of London into a scary place.

Have not read “Londonstan,” but I don’t need to. Hopefully the new Mayor will have a positive effect. But I think that UK liberalism has destroyed their country and culture.


6 posted on 05/09/2008 1:23:34 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: forkinsocket
“If we were Israelis we would dispatch an American built ground-Assault helicopter to blow the place to bits and then we would send bulldozers to scrape over the remains...the best way to deter Palestinian families from nurturing these vipers in their bosoms, and also the best way of explaining to the death hungry narcissists that they may get 72 black-eyed virgins of scripture, but their family gets the bulldozer”

Nothing to add.

7 posted on 05/09/2008 1:26:56 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: forkinsocket
"Yet suffering the visuals that emanated from the screen of BBC World News, with Ken Livingstone conceding his defeat, I suddenly had to clutch for support. With weakness in my legs and butterflies in my stomach, with something hitting in my face, I knew an age in the world history had passed — and for worse."

ROFL!! Why does Bozo here remind me of Shrillary at the moment she "found out" about Bill and Monica? Similar fatuous, insincere drivel from another blowhard......
8 posted on 05/09/2008 1:30:20 PM PDT by Enchante (Obama: My 1930s Foreign Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Social Policy!)
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To: forkinsocket
In contrast Boris Johnson, now his successor in office, reacted to the tragedies of 7/7 by declaring that “it is time to reassert British values...that means disposing of the first taboo, and accepting that Islam is the problem..”

Bravo Boris Johnson! Bravo!

9 posted on 05/09/2008 1:32:39 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: forkinsocket
And at another moment he said: “If we were Israelis we would dispatch an American built ground-Assault helicopter to blow the place to bits and then we would send bulldozers to scrape over the remains...the best way to deter Palestinian families from nurturing these vipers in their bosoms, and also the best way of explaining to the death hungry narcissists that they may get 72 black-eyed virgins of scripture, but their family gets the bulldozer”

I can really learn to love Boris Johnson!

10 posted on 05/09/2008 1:33:57 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: forkinsocket
And it was this diversity, this complexity Ken Livingstone served; and provided a spirit with by reaching out to everyone.

Well...maybe not everyone. Like that native born. Like those who hold dear traditional English/Western values. Those people were not part of Livingstone's 'everyone'. Good to see them vote Livingstone out of office. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.
11 posted on 05/09/2008 1:34:50 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: forkinsocket

“Living all those years in London, I never felt it was part of my identity”. And that’s the problem.


12 posted on 05/09/2008 1:35:22 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: whitedog57

“But I think that UK liberalism has destroyed their country and culture.”

Pretty much the same as US liberalism has destroyed America.


13 posted on 05/09/2008 1:38:32 PM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: forkinsocket
"When is someone going to get 18th century on Islam’s mediaeval ass?"

- Boris Johnson, Mayor Of London

14 posted on 05/09/2008 1:38:36 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: forkinsocket
in Ken they had a friend and a strong voice ready to risk media’s wrath

LOL... Ah yes, the liberal media attacks on "Red" Ken must have been horrible!

15 posted on 05/09/2008 1:43:53 PM PDT by RJL
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To: forkinsocket

it may be too late to save londonistan.

young brits are moving here to socal by the legions.

the ones that i’ve spoken to say that there are no opportunities in great britain anymore.


16 posted on 05/09/2008 1:47:48 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: forkinsocket
Should have had the Barf Alert. This author has a head full of Left wing, global citizen, nonsense. Are you a part of the London culture and it's values of freedom, OR, are you holding on to some sort or Old World values? The author wants both and that won't fly.

Also, last I checked, the Indians in England assimilated pretty darn good, so no, they don't have the same problems.

17 posted on 05/09/2008 1:57:54 PM PDT by Clock King (Under revision...)
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To: forkinsocket

There my YET be hope for Europa...

London and Roma both electing arch and even draconian Conservatives based on the realities of the threat of Fascist Islam.

Let us hope they go not quietly into that long winter’s night.


18 posted on 05/09/2008 2:11:14 PM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: forkinsocket

Aaaaahhh :( So sad.

He didn’t, however, really mean tha London was a city that belonged to the world more than to England. What he really meant was that it now belonged to the Ummah.


19 posted on 05/09/2008 2:11:46 PM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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To: pgkdan

Boris Johnson for President 2012! He’s an American citizen, ya know.


20 posted on 05/09/2008 2:12:48 PM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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To: forkinsocket
did not even have an inner page story on something that was so important to the British Muslims.

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

21 posted on 05/09/2008 2:14:01 PM PDT by Jim Noble (ride 'em like you stole 'em)
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To: forkinsocket
Moeed Pirzada, I hope this message eventually reaches you:

Pack up your trash and scram.

22 posted on 05/09/2008 2:23:04 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: forkinsocket; rmlew; Clemenza; MadIvan; David Hunter
Every reality can be perceived in infinite ways. To me London in the beginning of 21st century is a phenomenon that belongs more to the world than to England. I am sure it is a frightening thought to many English people but the city that stamped its mark on the soul of an Empire was in turn infected by the people it ruled.

...............................

In contrast Boris Johnson, now his successor in office, reacted to the tragedies of 7/7 by declaring that “it is time to reassert British values...that means disposing of the first taboo, and accepting that Islam is the problem..”

If London is a place that attracts people from around the world, it is because British values created the system of private property and laws that made it and its economy attractive.

23 posted on 05/09/2008 2:23:07 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: chesley
Boris Johnson for President 2012!

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution says that a person must've "been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States..." So it would be beyond 2012 for Boris.

24 posted on 05/09/2008 2:27:01 PM PDT by Radio Free Tuscaloosa (God Bless...America!! - Adm. Jeremiah Denton)
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To: forkinsocket
I have no doubt that Dr. Moeed Pirzada reflects the mood of many Muslims as he sees the end of Ken Livingston as Mayor of London. Let’s begin with the title of his article. “Londonistan” is apparently his preferred appellation for the city of London, which is in England, not Pakistan. It is one of the oldest cities in Western Europe with a long and rich history lasting literally two thousand years. Its culture is ancient. Yet he views it as it has been transformed over the last 50 years, a place where immigrant have established separatist enclaves maintaining and fostering cultures that are diametrically opposed to the Western culture that the city represent.

More HERE

25 posted on 05/09/2008 2:45:48 PM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: Radio Free Tuscaloosa; chesley

He wouldn’t qualify anyway. He renounced his American citizenship because the State Department refused to let him travel into America on a British passport instead of an American one. Needless to say, this caused howls of outrage on FR when it was reported 2 years ago, and he was smeared with the taint of being a liberal, a pinko, a socialist, possibly homosexual, and even a pro-arab antisemite, despite it now being abundently clear that this is about as far from being the case as it can get...


26 posted on 05/09/2008 2:46:47 PM PDT by thundrey
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To: forkinsocket
Ken’s defeat was a sad day for the Muslim and Asian communities in London and across UK.

But it was a happy day for British communities, and Western civilization as a whole.
27 posted on 05/09/2008 3:47:47 PM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: Paleo Conservative; Cacique

London has been able to supplant New York as the world’s financial capitol over the past decade due to less onerous regulations and the fact that the Asian and Middle Eastern nations (where all the “new wealth” is coming from) have had more extensive relations with the UK since the colonial era, even among nations (such as mainland China and the gulf states) that were never directly colonized by the UK.


28 posted on 05/09/2008 5:32:50 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: RachelFaith

Roma would be a dumpy, second-tier city even if there were no Muslims. Besides, most of the North Africans I’ve encountered in Rome were highly westernized, which can’t be said for the sub-saharans and the Zingari (gypsies).


29 posted on 05/09/2008 6:01:00 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: forkinsocket

Johnson has Turkish ancestry, a Jewish grandmother and half-Indian wife.
Boris Johnson is a Turk. He is a Jew. He is an upper crust Brit. He is a Londoner.
I wouldn’t consider him pro-Israeli OR pro-Palestinian, nor is Johnson some narrow minded twit as this agitator of a writer has made him out to be.


30 posted on 05/09/2008 6:24:24 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: AlexW

“-pretty much as US liberalism has destroyed America-”

And now, who should we blame?—I give the blame to many who write here on Free Republic-—we are not organized as are the Libs who have the end goal of destroying this Nation and our Constitution-—we moan and speak of of right and wrong and then go back to swilling beer and watching tv multi-million dollar heroes playing games on Sunday—I have tried for years to get folks involved with their govt’s but most would ‘leave it to others’—now, we are faced with a Muslim socialist as possible President and I read of the ‘conservatives’ who won’t vote for McCain-—I love the human race, it is people that make me sick-—


31 posted on 05/09/2008 8:38:51 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: whitedog57

“UK liberalism has destroyed their country and culture.”

The only thing liberal about the UK is its economic practices, certainly not in the political sense. That would be the case if we were governed by the Liberal Democrats, but we aren’t, we are governed by Labour (aka the Third Way, essentially, centralism. Various tombs of literature have identified this fact and a Centrist party sure does well at getting the floating voters).

Come the general election, the Conservatives will be placed in power by a population fed up with Labour and how corrupt is has become over its 11 years in power, after promising to be ‘Whiter than White’. Labour are losing their grip on power in much the same way as John Major did in th early to mid 90’s.

Funnily enough, every city in the US has ‘no-go’ areas. Places that tourists, or people who are obviously not local, shouldn’t go to. So can you condemn your nation as well as ours if we suffer the same problems?

Can I read Latin Americans instead of Pakistani? Can I read Jamaicans instead of your inner city gangs?


32 posted on 05/12/2008 3:07:07 PM PDT by Mercia
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