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Bloomberg/LA Times poll shows Clinton and Obama beating McCain
LA Times ^ | May 9, 2008 | Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

Posted on 05/09/2008 5:07:52 PM PDT by Kleebo151

n a hypothetical matchup between Clinton and McCain, the New York senator led the Arizonan by 47% to 38%, with 11% saying they were undecided.

And in a contest between Obama and McCain, the poll gave the Illinois senator a 46% to 40% lead over the Republican, with 9% undecided. The nationwide poll had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The results represent a slight shift from a Times/Bloomberg poll in February, in which McCain led Clinton by 6 points, and Obama by 2 points, within the poll's margin of error. The direction has now changed in favor of the Democrats.

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I don't worry about Clinton, but about Obama, who will be the nominee for the Rats.

I'm starting to be concerned, since four polls released today (Gallup, Rasmussen, this Bloomberg poll and a Diageo/Hotline poll) all have McCain losing ground against Obama.

With little cash at hand, the media swooning over Obama, and many conservatives willing to stay home, I see our chances very grim.

1 posted on 05/09/2008 5:07:53 PM PDT by Kleebo151
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To: Kleebo151

He’s a good speaker. Asking those who would or have voted for him to name a specific policy (except the crossover gremlins. ;) is next to impossible. He is very dangerous to this country. In a very literal sense.


2 posted on 05/09/2008 5:13:32 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Kleebo151

Liberals, no doubt, have a poll showing Osama Bin Laden winning POTUS. Obama’s background hasn’t been exposed yet and throw in his radical, vile wife that hates America.


3 posted on 05/09/2008 5:15:16 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Kleebo151

Too bad for Obama that the electoral college, and not polls determine who is the next president.

McCain will win the states he needs to win.

Obama however, will do extremely well in states like New York, California, Massachusetts, and Illinois.


4 posted on 05/09/2008 5:21:41 PM PDT by proudpapa (McCain-Pawlenty '08)
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To: Kleebo151

Too bad for Obama that the electoral college, and not polls determine who is the next president.

McCain will win the states he needs to win.

Obama however, will do extremely well in states like New York, California, Massachusetts, and Illinois.


5 posted on 05/09/2008 5:21:41 PM PDT by proudpapa (McCain-Pawlenty '08)
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To: proudpapa
McCain will win the states he needs to win.

bttt

6 posted on 05/09/2008 5:22:41 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Kleebo151; pissant; Sun; AuntB

This is the response letter I wrote to a fund raising letter received from the McCain campaign today:

“May 9. 2008

Dear Senator McCain:

I am so pleased to hear that you have lived a fulfilling life. So have I, thanks be to God, and his loving goodness.

I’ve been privileged to live in a free country, with a Constitution inspired by God and based on Biblical principles by men dedicated to the healthy endurance of our great sovereign nation.

I believe in LEGAL immigration, and the enforcement of laws on the books, including those of NO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS (invaders). I believe in the building of Duncan Hunter’s double border fence, and the exoneration of Ramos and Compean, who are being held unjustly for doing their jobs.

As a life long Republican, I do not go along with left wing liberal Democrats, and would have preferred you’d adhered to Republican standards rather than “reaching across the aisle”. to compromise them. Unfortunately there is no longer a two party system in my country. And that can only spell tyranny.

I do not consider you a Conservative due to McCain-Feingold, which helped to sink my candidate in this presidential race; your stance on illegal aliens, and your voting record in the Senate.

Having worked diligently on a volunteer .basis, and contributed the near limit for and to a truely great statesman, Rep. Duncan Hunter, who bowed out of the race January 19 to my great dismay. I have exhausted funds, and would not be able to help you financially even if I chose to.

To my way of thinking you have little to offer the country than Clinton or Obama do. I voted for the lesser of two evils twice this century, and do not intend to do it again. When and if the Republican Party comes to terms with it’s former conservative base, I will return. Until it does, I no longer call myself a Republican, but a Conservative. I will vote the person, not the party, I am not alone. Judging by your recent actions, I doubt that will cause you distress..

I weep for my precious country.

Sincerely yours,”

I have no choice but to write someone in this time around.


7 posted on 05/09/2008 5:23:15 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: Kleebo151

McCain’s lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union is 83, comparable to Thompson’s 86. It is worth noting that the ACU does not rate voting records on how they comport with the Constitution, but how they comport with contemporaneous Republican mandates — which are not always one and the same.

He has been ranked favorably by other conservative organizations: National Federation of Independent Business — 100 percent; Concerned Women for America — 100 percent; Family Research Council — 100 percent; National Tax Limitation Committee — 94 percent; Citizens Against Government Waste — 91 percent; and the National Taxpayers Union — 88 percent.
C+ rating from the National Rifle Association.

Citizens Against Government Waste
2008 Congressional Pig Book Member List

Clinton 296.2 million dollars in pork
Obama 97.4 million dollars in pork
McCain 0.0 NONE


8 posted on 05/09/2008 5:26:57 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Kleebo151
President Dukakis has wistful memories of similar polls in the summer of '88.
9 posted on 05/09/2008 5:28:09 PM PDT by AHerald ("Be faithful to God ... do not bother about the ridicule of the foolish." - St. Pio of Pietrelcina)
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To: Paperdoll

Heartfelt and to the point. If I may ask a question. How many Presidential elections do you get to vote for your perfect candidate? Have you sat out in the past or voted for the lesser of two evils.


10 posted on 05/09/2008 5:28:21 PM PDT by allmost
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To: AHerald
President Dukakis has wistful memories of similar polls in the summer of '88.

Oh yeah! 

11 posted on 05/09/2008 5:29:11 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Kleebo151

After watching McCain on Oreilly last night I simply can NOT vote for him. I wished Bill asked him if gas was $10 per gallon would he still object to drilling ANWR. Im not even bothering to watch the 2nd half of the interview tonight.


12 posted on 05/09/2008 5:29:31 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: Paperdoll

You said what I am feeling so much more eloquently than I could have. These are sad times for conservatives.


13 posted on 05/09/2008 5:32:03 PM PDT by alicewonders (I'm a conservative, and I'm hated by the GOP & the Dems - I must be doing something right!)
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To: Kleebo151

This is because McCain has lately been emphasizing his liberal positions on immigration and CO2 emissions.


14 posted on 05/09/2008 5:32:07 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: Kleebo151

LA Times is losing money hand over fist, but they can run a legit poll? Wow, I am impressed...NOT!


15 posted on 05/09/2008 5:32:57 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Kleebo151

I am not convinced that McCain can win.......he’s not Black, he might continue to defend our country and our WOT, he doesn’t hate America and he is getting up there in age.

I fear that Obama can pull this act off.


16 posted on 05/09/2008 5:36:20 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obama is a member of the Far Wright Conspiracy.......)
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To: Kleebo151

I wonder how the questions were formed.


17 posted on 05/09/2008 5:38:17 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: allmost

>How many Presidential elections do you get to vote for your perfect candidate? Have you sat out in the past or voted for the lesser of two evils.<

In 64, Johnson’s ad with the small child sitting on a flowery hill with an atomic mushroom cloud going up behind her got to me. I had three small girls at the time, and so I couldn’t vote for Goldwater then, I am very sad to say today. Then in globalist GHWB’s second run I worked for and wrote in Pat Buchanan. I did hold my nose and vote for GWB twice this century.

But I worked hard for all the other Republican Presidential candidates since 1952. Reagan was the most perfect in my book. :)


18 posted on 05/09/2008 5:46:08 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: Kleebo151
With little cash at hand, the media swooning over Obama, and many conservatives willing to stay home, I see our chances very grim.

The unconditional withdrawal from Iraq that's the center of Obama's campaign would be unprecedented...unlike the withdrawal from Vietnam, it would be a much clearer surrender. This and BHO's elitist values will greatly damage his chances.

I'm sure that some conservatives will vote for another candidate or stay at home due to questions about Sen. McCain. On the other hand, I'm convinced that most of the anti-McCain ranters in conservative circles are barely-concealed Obamacans.

19 posted on 05/09/2008 5:46:13 PM PDT by Aln in Eastern WA (HRC: go nuclear!)
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To: allmost
How many Presidential elections do you get to vote for your perfect candidate? Have you sat out in the past or voted for the lesser of two evils.

I know your question wasn't directed to me, but since I feel the same way - I have voted in every election since I was eligible to vote 34 years ago. I have NEVER gotten to vote for my "perfect" candidate! Heck, I've never even met a perfect person, including my husband of 34 years.

If you're lucky, you get to vote for a candidate that you can agree with 75 or 80% of the time. Too many times in the last 10 years I've had to hold my nose & vote for the lesser of two evils. It's getting worse every year.

John McCain - I might be with 20 to 25% - MAYBE. It is actually dropping every day that I hear something else stupid he has said. It's almost like he is "daring" me to vote for him! Like - he is saying, "Where else are you going to go - you stupid conservatives! - I KNOW you won't vote for Obama!"

Well, I'm not a Republican anymore - so frankly I could care less what happens to the party - but I DO care what happens to my country & I can no longer vote for these liberals with an (R) next to their names. Everytime I eat the slop they throw at me, the next time I get even worse slop! I'm not eating it anymore.

I hate the thought of what we're going to have to go through the next 4 or 8 years - but it won't be the fault of voters who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a horrible, unstable, conservative-hater like John McCain, who is determined to institute amnesty & begs for the approval of creeps like Teddy Kennedy.

No. Don't blame the voters - blame the bad, bad candidate that couldn't win on his own merit.

20 posted on 05/09/2008 5:47:32 PM PDT by alicewonders (I'm a conservative, and I'm hated by the GOP & the Dems - I must be doing something right!)
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To: Paperdoll
I wasn't inferring anything. I just find it rare (impossible) to have a perfect candidate. McCain was my last R choice. Hunter jumping on Huck's bandwagon so soon disillusioned me this time around. Obama is dangerous. I couldn't see myself sitting out. The repercussions will be massive in my opinion.
21 posted on 05/09/2008 5:53:03 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Kleebo151

Either candidate......CFR wins


22 posted on 05/09/2008 5:53:58 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: allmost

Fortunately, I can sit out. If McCain loses in Texas, it’s a fifty state blowout. He can win without my help, though. Rick Perry told me the Republicans don’t need or want me, and McCain told me there was too much money in politics.


23 posted on 05/09/2008 5:56:52 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: alicewonders
I hope you change your mind between now and voting day. Obama is dangerous. I'd never vote for someone like McCain unless it was absolutely necessary. Think for a few minutes about what you would not like about a McCain Presidency. Think for a few more what you would not like about an Obama Presidency. You might not live to vote again if some radical freak like Obama gets control of our military. A bit extreme yes, but not unrealistic.
24 posted on 05/09/2008 5:59:36 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Richard Kimball
If the Conservatives put up a strong candidate then Perry might be looking to anyone for help.

My children tell me they might not vote for him again as he has gone off the deep end on toll roads and that dang corridor mess.

25 posted on 05/09/2008 5:59:55 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Paperdoll
" When and if the Republican Party comes to terms with it’s former conservative base, I will return. Until it does, I no longer call myself a Republican, but a Conservative. "

Excellent and ditto.

26 posted on 05/09/2008 6:00:38 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Paperdoll

“I voted for the lesser of two evils twice this century, and do not intend to do it again.”

So you plan on never casting another vote?

PS. Since there is no such thing as a perfect candidate, any vote is a vote for ‘the lesser of two evils’.

PSS. Learn to live with it.


27 posted on 05/09/2008 6:01:19 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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To: proudpapa
If our predominantly Hispanic city is any indication, Obama might not do as well as one might think in crazy California.
28 posted on 05/09/2008 6:02:26 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Paperdoll

I’m not as ambitious as you. I simply write “Build the Fence” on both sides of the envelope and mail it empty to them.


29 posted on 05/09/2008 6:02:50 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: Kleebo151

I sure am glad from these numbers that McCain doesn’t need the conservative vote or money.

Come on home John so we can beat the rats.

But until you do I am staying home.


30 posted on 05/09/2008 6:02:57 PM PDT by stockpirate (20,000,000 reasons to NOT support McCain, immigration.)
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To: Paperdoll
I'm a registered Independent, basically against dem policies. I'm not pro-Republican.
31 posted on 05/09/2008 6:03:33 PM PDT by allmost
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To: blam

I call myself a Reagan Republican, which is the same thing more or less. I disagreed with him on very few things and stylistically he was perfect!


32 posted on 05/09/2008 6:06:13 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: DogBarkTree
After watching McCain on Oreilly last night I simply can NOT vote for him

Wow! You're so cool and principled.....
33 posted on 05/09/2008 6:07:16 PM PDT by cmsgop (I can't believe my wife downloaded "Philadelphia Freedom"on my iPod........)
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To: allmost

>> How many Presidential elections do you get to vote for your perfect candidate?

Not many.

Then again, they’re not usually the blatant bucket of liberal slop that John McCain is.


34 posted on 05/09/2008 6:07:19 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (La Raza hates white folks. And John McCain loves La Raza!)
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To: Kleebo151

There is a groundswell as the Democrats are settling on their nominee in a Democratic year. We have the advantage that Obama has yet to be taken to task on any of a number of very liberal and controversial past positions and votes he’s taken.


35 posted on 05/09/2008 6:08:05 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Nervous Tick
Are you going to sit it out for Obama?
36 posted on 05/09/2008 6:08:31 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Paperdoll
I know how you feel, FRiend! There are thousands of men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan who hope you change your mind before November.

Hunter was the perfect choice. I imagine him in McCain's place and it hurts me to think what might have been.

But I can't allow Obama to become Commander in Chief of the United States Armed forces.

That's too much to bear. For me, for the troops and for the country.

37 posted on 05/09/2008 6:08:51 PM PDT by airborne (LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)
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To: Paperdoll

I like your letter, thanks.


38 posted on 05/09/2008 6:09:01 PM PDT by stockpirate (20,000,000 reasons to NOT support McCain, immigration.)
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To: Kleebo151
"With little cash at hand, the media swooning over Obama, and many conservatives willing to stay home, I see our chances very grim."

We go to the election with what we have.

In this case, McCain is going to be going with little support.

Democrats do not vote for Republicans, and conservatives will not vote for McCain.

This thing has been over for months, but the media is giving us a little bit of entertainment before the kill.

39 posted on 05/09/2008 6:10:00 PM PDT by Radix (Q. What do you call a row of rabbits walking backwards? A. A receding hare line.)
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To: allmost

>> Are you going to sit it out for Obama?

No, smartass.

I’m probably going to hold my nose and vote for the POS McCain. And then go puke.


40 posted on 05/09/2008 6:11:17 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (La Raza hates white folks. And John McCain loves La Raza!)
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To: Kleebo151

Both will beat Mc Cain. Obama/Hillary ticket will clinch it. Wait till the convention, everybody will make up and the Dems will have the last laugh. I’ve been saying it all along, but I hope I’m wrong. That’s their dream ticket, a black and a woman and an election first. The RNC better wake up, and start considering what they have to counter it if it turns out as I predict. Mc Cain is no shaker.


41 posted on 05/09/2008 6:12:05 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Where have all our Great Leaders gone? Certainly there must be one out there?)
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To: Paperdoll

Then be prepared to say President Obama, hun.

And if you think Barak Obama and the Democrats support closing the borders you need to put the bong down.

George Soros who owns the Democratic party’s foundation is called the Open Borders Society.

So don’t whine and cry when Obama and the Democrats grants everyone who piles across the border automatic citizenship. it will be a situation that you supported with your actions.


42 posted on 05/09/2008 6:12:33 PM PDT by Nahanni
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To: DugwayDuke

>So you plan on never casting another vote?<

One never knows what one will do in a case like this until it gets down to the last minute. One can only pray alot.

As I said in another post, l964 was the only year I did not vote for a president.

Unfortunately, because of the globalist agenda this country has adopted, the country may have to live with it.


43 posted on 05/09/2008 6:14:13 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Wasn’t trying to be smart. You just described what I’ll probably be doing.


44 posted on 05/09/2008 6:15:24 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Paperdoll
Nice letter.

Lets just hope that someone who is close to McCain gets the message to the Senator.

45 posted on 05/09/2008 6:16:14 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Nahanni

You think I would be held responsible? LOL! Wake up! The Republican Party is fully responsible.


46 posted on 05/09/2008 6:16:57 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: allmost

For me concerning McCain I do not trust what he says.

I think at this point conservatives need to stay home, if and when McCain wants or needs to move to the right we will still be here waiting for him.

Let him reach out to conservatives in the same spirt he uses in reaching out to his leftist friends.

It’s McCains move, not conservatives. He can get my vote but so far they say they don’t need it.


47 posted on 05/09/2008 6:18:15 PM PDT by stockpirate (20,000,000 reasons to NOT support McCain, immigration.)
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To: Kleebo151
I'm starting to be concerned, since four polls released today (Gallup, Rasmussen, this Bloomberg poll and a Diageo/Hotline poll) all have McCain losing ground against Obama.

By all conventional indicators--a weak economy; an unpopular war abroad; eight consecutive years of Republican rule in the White House; and an inarticulate, unpopular president--this ought to be a Democratic year. And Sen. McCain is said to be steeling himself for the inevitable lead that the Democratic nominee--presumably, Sen. Obama--will take once the nomination fight is settled. But that can easily change before November, as it did when Mike Dukakis lead George H.W. Bush by double digits in 1988.

And it has always mystified me why anyone would find polls useful that measure only the raw popular vote. Even if such polls are accurate, they are also irrelevant; we do not elect our president by subsuming all the votes into one gigantic pot, and seeing who came out ahead. President Al Gore should have learned that lesson in 2000.

Karl Rove--admittedly, not an unbiased source; but a smart man and an excellent political tactician, nonetheless--has recently displayed state-by-state maps that show McCain ahead of both Hillary and Obama. Even these are not terribly useful at this early juncture, as a great deal can happen within the next six months to change the electoral map considerably. That said, however, I find state-by-state analyses much more impressive than mere attempts to estimate the raw vote.

48 posted on 05/09/2008 6:20:47 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: OKIEDOC

>Let’s just hope that someone who is close to McCain gets the messaage to the Senator.<

That was exactly my purpose in writing it. Thank you. If more of us write him, perhaps it would get through to him.

Anyone can write him at:

McCain Campaign
P.O. Box 7802
Merrifield, VA 22116


49 posted on 05/09/2008 6:22:18 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: Paperdoll
Will get a letter off to him ASAP.

Thanks for the address.

50 posted on 05/09/2008 6:25:24 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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