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Wake up Conservative Base!

Posted on 05/10/2008 9:11:06 AM PDT by RonnieFan

All indications are the Democrats will pick up seats in both the House and Senate, with the Senate likely being a couple of RHINOs away from the magic 60. McCain is no Reagan but he's the only thing standing in the way of the most liberal Senator in Senate becoming President with a clear majority in Congress and at a critical time with decisions to be made on the war on terror, the war in Iraq, heath care, taxes, illegal immigration and likely the Supreme Court.

Sometimes you do have to pick the lesser of two evils. This is one of them. I am fully aware that I'll be let down by McCain on some key issues but I know I'll be let down on all of them if Obama is President.


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KEYWORDS: 2008; base; bckstbngprck; conservatives; elections; fearmongering; gop; mccain; obama; rinostampede; scaretactics; teamjuanshills; vanity; wereallmavericksnow; yayanothervanity
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1 posted on 05/10/2008 9:11:06 AM PDT by RonnieFan
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To: RonnieFan

“Wake up Conservative Base!”

We’re wide awake and have been for years. Only takes a few shivs between the shoulder blades with that motherf*****s fingerprints on the handle to open your eyes.

Screw McCain, and screw anyone trying to coerce, threaten or cajole a vote for that bastard. He doesn’t deserve it.


2 posted on 05/10/2008 9:13:51 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mccain praised pro-illegal protests saying that they could force the laws to be liberalized)
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To: RonnieFan

It goes beyond that... Remember the “nuclear option”? The filibuster is a Senate rule, not a Constitutional limitation. The donks already have a majority in both houses... Give them the Presidency and you can bet that dingy Harry will turn over the filibuster rule faster than the wheel on a roulette table spins. And there will be NOTHING to stop the donks from implementing their plans...


3 posted on 05/10/2008 9:17:02 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: RonnieFan
I am with you Ronnie. My main issues are the life issue and the WOT.

More than one of my students have died in that WOT, to vote for Barak would be an insult to their memory.

BTW, I think we have quite a few deep cover trolls here at FR. I confronted one that actually equated John McCain's military record with John Kerry's.

The poster said that McCain record was worse because he cooperated with the enemy and made several propaganda films for them. No mention that John Kerry went to Paris on his own accord (in military fatigues)to negotiate with the enemy.

Oh yeah we got a troll problem here.

4 posted on 05/10/2008 9:18:19 AM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: RonnieFan

5 posted on 05/10/2008 9:19:28 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs to said?)
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To: RonnieFan

Not gonna do it. Wouldn’t be prudent.


6 posted on 05/10/2008 9:20:00 AM PDT by Politicalmom (It's the child abuse, stupid!!)
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To: Grunthor

The thing is, McCain compared to the far far left Obama isn’t even a lesser of two evils. For all the irritation of McCain, he is still pro life, pro guns, pro military and generally pro economic growth. I know he has wandered around, but Obama with a huge advantage in congress? That is scary. People throw the socialism word around lightly, but this is the real deal, and everyone seems asleep at the switch.

Those that say McCain is no better than Obama have their heads somewhere other than where they need to be.

Even if McCain is just a stop gap until 2012, it likely prevents a wildly liberal addition or two to the Supremes, and won’t cause a disaster in the Iraq and tax policies.

It may not be inspiring, but the fear of Obama’s leftist policies is enough to motivate me.

Hopefully McCain has an inspired choice for VP. Most of the time the VP is irrelevant, but this time he may be handpicking the de facto front runner for 2012 on the GOP side.


7 posted on 05/10/2008 9:20:21 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: RonnieFan

I’ll vote for McCain, but since he thinks that money corrupts politics, I’m not going to give him any.


8 posted on 05/10/2008 9:22:01 AM PDT by randita (I'm a "typical white person" and I voted for Lynn Swann.)
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To: Crimson Elephant

I repeat;

Screw McCain, and screw anyone trying to coerce, threaten or cajole a vote for that bastard. He doesn’t deserve it.


9 posted on 05/10/2008 9:23:01 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mccain praised pro-illegal protests saying that they could force the laws to be liberalized)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Right . What a way to sell a candidate. It's mccain or death ! Forget that old fart . Spend time and money on the house and senate. Thats were the power will be , no matter which one of these posers slithers in . big O or Gramps will be damaged goods . A few members of the house shoved that amnesty debacle up his ass.
10 posted on 05/10/2008 9:23:35 AM PDT by fantom
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To: randita

I think you just hit on McCain’s bizarre situation. He’ll get the votes, but not the money.

I just hope the shadow groups do enough of the dirty work to show the real Obama and the path to socialism we are THIS CLOSE to walking down.

When you throw in the possibility of a favorable congress? Wow.


11 posted on 05/10/2008 9:24:12 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: mware

“BTW, I think we have quite a few deep cover trolls here at FR...”

Soros is spending millions for paid operatives to infiltrate FR and other forums and blogs in order to create dissatisfaction and suppress the Republican vote. Why would someone rant on about not voting for McCain unless the objective is to get others to do the same.

If I weren’t voting for someone then I wouldn’t have a dog in that someone’s hunt, therefore, I wouldn’t post anything.


12 posted on 05/10/2008 9:24:43 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: Grunthor

I’ll be sure to send you a thank you note in 2011 when Obama passes the most radical leftist agenda in American History.


13 posted on 05/10/2008 9:25:14 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: RonnieFan

Shouldn’t this be in breaking news? It’s definitely breaking new ground: a thread telling conservatives to stop whining and vote for the turd McCain. Unheard of.


14 posted on 05/10/2008 9:25:32 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: RonnieFan
What are you doing about it besides bitching about others.

And to answer my own question, I'm trying to kick Carl Levin out of office, and re-electing our Supreme Court Justice Cliff Taylor.

And yes, I'm holding my nose with McCain. One reason. Supreme Court.

15 posted on 05/10/2008 9:26:08 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Eurale
Soros is spending millions for paid operatives to infiltrate FR and other forums and blogs in order to create dissatisfaction and suppress the Republican vote. Why would someone rant on about not voting for McCain unless the objective is to get others to do the same.

If I weren’t voting for someone then I wouldn’t have a dog in that someone’s hunt, therefore, I wouldn’t post anything.

Wow, check it out, another newbie telling us we're Soros-paid trolls unless we shut up and/or support McCain.

16 posted on 05/10/2008 9:28:09 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: Crimson Elephant

“I’ll be sure to send you a thank you note in 2011 when Obama passes the most radical leftist agenda in American History.”

The markist or the socialist, trust me it is coming either way. Difference between you and I, when the marxist wins in November, you will be weeping for our nations fate. I started weeping the day that the socialist became the prohibitive nominee for the Repube party.


17 posted on 05/10/2008 9:29:01 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mccain praised pro-illegal protests saying that they could force the laws to be liberalized)
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To: Darren McCarty

“And yes, I’m holding my nose with McCain. One reason. Supreme Court.”

With the dems in power you and I BOTH know that if the backstabber is POTUS, Ted Kennedy is picking the judges.


18 posted on 05/10/2008 9:30:12 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mccain praised pro-illegal protests saying that they could force the laws to be liberalized)
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To: RonnieFan

It isn’t like we’re going to just suffer four to eight more years of leftism, bring in a “true” conservative, and then simply roll back the mischief created by the leftists. Things don’t work that way.


19 posted on 05/10/2008 9:31:05 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Who's worried about the Bolsheviks? They couldn't be worse than the Tsar!)
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To: xjcsa

“Wow, check it out, another newbie telling us we’re Soros-paid trolls unless we shut up and/or support McCain.”

Aren’t they just too cute?


20 posted on 05/10/2008 9:31:09 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mccain praised pro-illegal protests saying that they could force the laws to be liberalized)
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To: RonnieFan

Oh great, another “vote for the lesser of two evils” thread. These are about as bad and redundant as the anti-Rush threads. Since I doubt Obama will pick Mrs. Clinton as his running mate, I’ll let her supporters vote for McCain, and sit this one out.


21 posted on 05/10/2008 9:31:15 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Eurale

“Soros is spending millions for paid operatives to infiltrate FR and other forums and blogs in order to create dissatisfaction and suppress the Republican vote.”

With that backstabber as the nominee, Soros need not waste his money, Juanito has it handled.


22 posted on 05/10/2008 9:33:01 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mccain praised pro-illegal protests saying that they could force the laws to be liberalized)
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To: Eurale
Eurale, I understand folks that oppose him on certain issue, I do myself, but when it comes to the WOT, Supreme Court Judges,taxes, and the life issue, it aint even close.

Then when they actually cite McCain military record as being treasonist.

23 posted on 05/10/2008 9:33:36 AM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: RonnieFan

In a word...

No!


24 posted on 05/10/2008 9:34:00 AM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: RonnieFan

I’m with you. McCain gets my vote. Attempts to punish or transform the GOP by staying home or voting third party are just too risky. America can survive a McCain presidency. The America we know would be unrecognizable after a Clinton or Obama reign of terror.


25 posted on 05/10/2008 9:35:26 AM PDT by Faith
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To: xjcsa

“Wow, check it out, another newbie telling us we’re Soros-paid trolls unless we shut up and/or support McCain.”

Since “newbie” is supposed to be an insult in this forum, and you apparently believe that tenure is somehow connected to qualified opinion, then you must either be a union member, government employee or a tenured academician?

BTW, I couldn’t care less about who you vote for or don’t.


26 posted on 05/10/2008 9:35:56 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: Crimson Elephant
The big problem with McCain is that we just don't like the SOB. With the exception of immigration and CFR, I don't have problems with most of his positions. I can almost get to the point where I'm saying, okay, I can do this. Then I see him.

If McCain and Bill Belichick had a personality contest, there might not be a winner.

27 posted on 05/10/2008 9:36:07 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: RonnieFan
All indications are the Democrats will pick up seats in both the House and Senate,

I believe that is correct. The Republicans are going to suffer a bloodbath this fall. Blame it on McCain. Voters will be staying away from the polls in large numbers.

28 posted on 05/10/2008 9:36:23 AM PDT by upsdriver (My kingdom for an acceptable presidential candidate!!)
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To: fantom
You can't just concentrate on the House and Senate. The national Presidential election will drive the issues and if the base stays home where there's not a key house or senate race, it will give Obama a big victory and the ability to claim a mandate. Then really look out!
29 posted on 05/10/2008 9:37:01 AM PDT by RonnieFan
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To: fantom
Right . What a way to sell a candidate. It's mccain or death ! Forget that old fart . Spend time and money on the house and senate. Thats were the power will be , no matter which one of these posers slithers in

AGreed. F___ MacCain and f___ the GOP. I'm a conservative and will no longer support leftists.

First, MacCain always says what he thinks will draw the largest support, but then turns around and screws over his supporters. MaCain doesn't give a s__t about the country beyond his ability to get what he can from it.

Second, even if he's elected, he's going to be a very, very, very, very, very weak President and a one termer at that. So, in order to maximize his "legacy", within weeks of being inaugurated he'll play Monica to Teddy Kennedy and embrace the left's policies. Meanwhile, while the MSM excitedly pants about how he's grown in office and how the country has reached a new more mature spirit of bi-partisanship, conservatives will, yet again as ALWAYS has happened with MacCain, be left out in the cold.

The last time the GOP put up a good candidate was Reagan in 1984. For the least 24 years they've forwarded only mediocrities, and if we'd demanded quality from them since they first foisted the half-wit Poppy Bush on us in 1988, we wouldn't be in this mess today.

30 posted on 05/10/2008 9:37:17 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Ronald Reagan's single biggest mistake: Picking Poppy Bush to be his veep.)
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To: Faith
I hear ya Faith, we are talking about two Supreme Court Judges in those 4 years.

As it is now we are lucky to have a shaky 6-5 in the SCOTUS.

31 posted on 05/10/2008 9:37:28 AM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: Grunthor
With the dems in power you and I BOTH know that if the backstabber is POTUS, Ted Kennedy is picking the judges.

Precisely!

32 posted on 05/10/2008 9:38:41 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Ronald Reagan's single biggest mistake: Picking Poppy Bush to be his veep.)
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To: Eurale
BTW, I couldn’t care less about who you vote for or don’t.

I know, you just want to come on here and tell us to shut up unless we support the useless RINO McCain.

33 posted on 05/10/2008 9:39:06 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: Faith
Hey Faith, take a look at some of the sign on dates when you run into one of those real real negative posts.

When I see them signing on less than a year ago, red flags go up.

34 posted on 05/10/2008 9:39:37 AM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: Grunthor

LOL who you calling a newbie, newbie.


35 posted on 05/10/2008 9:40:34 AM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: Grunthor
Here's our situation. The dims control the senate. Anyone Obama picks is sailing through. Obama showed his stance on SCOTUS by voting against John Roberts and fillibustering Alito. He said this to Planned Barrenhood.

"We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."

Right now, McCain's judicial advisers are Ted Olson and Dan Coates (Indiana Senator before idiot Bayh). He voted for Thomas, Alito, and Roberts. Now McCain is not my first choice (Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter), nor was my last, (Giuliani and Huckabee). We COULD get good judges by him. We WON'T by Obama. That's why I'm voting for McCain.

36 posted on 05/10/2008 9:41:43 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: mware

AH, but if you read close, it was not I that used the word “newbie.” I was simply commenting on someone elses very apt usage.


37 posted on 05/10/2008 9:42:08 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mccain praised pro-illegal protests saying that they could force the laws to be liberalized)
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To: Crimson Elephant
It may not be inspiring, but the fear of Obama’s leftist policies is enough to motivate me.

Therein lies the problem. Most people aren't this engaged in politics. They show up to vote BECAUSE they are inspired. McCain does not inspire. Not one bit.

38 posted on 05/10/2008 9:43:06 AM PDT by upsdriver (My kingdom for an acceptable presidential candidate!!)
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To: Grunthor

“Screw McCain, and screw anyone trying to coerce, threaten or cajole a vote for that bastard. He doesn’t deserve it.”

It seems like you are saying that OBAMA DESERVES TO BE PRESIDENT. Because that’s the choice: McCain or Barack Hussein Obama.


39 posted on 05/10/2008 9:43:49 AM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Eurale
Soros is spending millions for paid operatives to infiltrate FR and other forums and blogs in order to create dissatisfaction and suppress the Republican vote. Why would someone rant on about not voting for McCain unless the objective is to get others to do the same.

So, how do I get a hold of Soros and how much is he paying? After all, whyever should I voice my opinion against MacCain for free when Soros will pay me for it???? {/sarcasm off}

But seriously, to make a good tin-foil hat to block the thetans from stealing your brainwaves, do you have to use brand name foil or will generic work?

40 posted on 05/10/2008 9:43:53 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Ronald Reagan's single biggest mistake: Picking Poppy Bush to be his veep.)
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To: RonnieFan
I just wish McCain would stop using his campaign coffers (which need replenished badly!) to support other Senate Rinos like Olympia Snowe.

SNOWE FOR SENATE PORTLAND, ME $1,986 contributed by McCain campaign.

ttp://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/expend_detail.asp?id=N00006424&code=R20&cycle=2008&descrip=Candidates+%28Fed+%26+Non%2Dfederal%29

41 posted on 05/10/2008 9:44:28 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: Darren McCarty
Hell Darren, Barak could not even bring himself to vote for the Born Alive Act, when he was a state senator.

That same bill passed the US senate with 0 nay votes.

barak is more pro abortion that Planned Parenthood.

42 posted on 05/10/2008 9:45:07 AM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: mware
As it is now we are lucky to have a shaky 6-5 in the SCOTUS.

6-5? Are you still counting Earl Warren? Because she's been dead for over 30 years. Her ghost doesn't count either.

43 posted on 05/10/2008 9:45:29 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: fantom

“. Spend time and money on the house and senate. Thats were the power will be , no matter which one of these posers slithers in”

Agreed.


44 posted on 05/10/2008 9:46:28 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: Darren McCarty

Here’s the REAL situation;

The Dems will retain control of the Senate.

Juanito, not wanting a fight with his bestest buddies in the whole wide world, the Liberals, will ask nee, BEG Ted Kennedy to pick his judges for him.

No judge will be approved or even moved to the floor lest Fat Teddy gives Juanito the green light.

And the absolutely biggest laugher of this whole experience will be that without that backstabbing pr*ck and his gang of 14, this will not have come to pass. I plan on laughing whole heartedly if he whines about those mean ole liberals not letting his judges through.


45 posted on 05/10/2008 9:46:46 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mccain praised pro-illegal protests saying that they could force the laws to be liberalized)
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To: Crimson Elephant

“The thing is, McCain compared to the far far left Obama isn’t even a lesser of two evils. For all the irritation of McCain, he is still pro life, pro guns, pro military and generally pro economic growth. I know he has wandered around, but Obama with a huge advantage in congress? That is scary. People throw the socialism word around lightly, but this is the real deal, and everyone seems asleep at the switch.

Those that say McCain is no better than Obama have their heads somewhere other than where they need to be.

Even if McCain is just a stop gap until 2012, it likely prevents a wildly liberal addition or two to the Supremes, and won’t cause a disaster in the Iraq and tax policies.

It may not be inspiring, but the fear of Obama’s leftist policies is enough to motivate me.

Hopefully McCain has an inspired choice for VP. Most of the time the VP is irrelevant, but this time he may be handpicking the de facto front runner for 2012 on the GOP side.”

An excellent post! You are 100% correct. I hope sensible people will read your post and seriously think about what you said.


46 posted on 05/10/2008 9:48:06 AM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: FocusNexus

“Because that’s the choice: McCain or Barack Hussein Obama.”

That’s no choice, that is a damned THREAT!


47 posted on 05/10/2008 9:48:11 AM PDT by Grunthor (Mccain praised pro-illegal protests saying that they could force the laws to be liberalized)
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To: RonnieFan
with the Senate likely being a couple of RHINOs away from the magic 60

Isn't McCain the living definition of a RHINO?

48 posted on 05/10/2008 9:48:45 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: RonnieFan

This has been posted quite a few times already. Either we vote for McCain or we lose the Supreme Court. I’m not voting for McCain. He has stabbed all conservatives in the back and we are supposed to reward him by voting him in as POTUS. Screw him.


49 posted on 05/10/2008 9:49:28 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: xjcsa
Since Roberts became Chief Justice, most of the issues have gone 6-5 on conservative issues.

Roberts has been able to swing an occasion moderate/left to our side of the case.

There is no question what kind of judges Barak would nominate.

50 posted on 05/10/2008 9:49:52 AM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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