Posted on 05/12/2008 6:48:37 AM PDT by BGHater
No federal law prohibits North Carolina from admitting illegal immigrants to its colleges and universities, officials with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said today.
The statement from federal officials contradicts a letter sent this week by the office of state Attorney General Roy Cooper.
The letter from Cooper's office advised the state Community College System that federal law bars the admission of illegal immigrants to public colleges and universities, even if they pay out-of-state tuition.
The letter said that the Department of Homeland Security, of which ICE is a part, was responsible for enforcing the law and offered to ask the department for further clarification of the law.
The department provided that clarification today, at the request of The News & Observer.
"It is left for the school to decide whether or not to enroll" illegal immigrants, the statement reads. "The Department of Homeland Security does not require any school to determine a student's status."
Cooper's office issued its advisory letter six months after the Community College System instituted a controversial new policy requiring admission of all students, regardless of their immigration status, at all of its 58 campuses.
kristin.collins@newsobserver.com
Isn't THAT lovely?
If I applied, I wonder if they'd determine my monetary status?
“No federal law prohibits North Carolina from admitting illegal immigrants to its colleges and universities”
How about the law that defines them as illegals?
Great to know that the hazmat etc in the labs of our nations learning institutions are not considered a viable risk. You are doing a wonderful job there Chertoff. (sarc)
I think everyone should then stop giving colleges and universities any information about themselves that could be used to prove citizenship, including SS numbers.
susie
I am completely 100% certain that the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is against this country. They are the ones breaking the law by not enforcing it.
PATHETIC!
True.
A college can "admit" a foreign student from Outer Mongolia if they so please.
"Congratulation! The Admissions Office of the University of North Carolina is pleased to inform you that you have been admitted to the Fall Semester ......"
However, once "admitted", it is the responsibility of that student to acquire a Student Visa in order to legally be in the U.S. What is illegal under Federal law is not "admitting" the student to a college but, rather, the foreign student attending classes on U.S. soil without any visa.
Someone needs to file a qui tam action. It has to be a violation of state and federal statutory and constitutional law for UNC to use US and NC taxes to float illegals.
Holy cr@p. So a kid from Texas that wants to go to UNC has to pay more than a kid from Tijuana and state taxes go to subsidize this? Neat. I hope 10,000 show up and flood their schools.
Cause this is the result that our taxes are going to fund foreign students on our soil. I guess there is no “illegal” in illegal alien. We are no longer a country based on “rule of law”.
So I guess this is what it felt like when the Visigoths were made “FEDERATI’’ . I wonder who gets to play Alaric this time? The only thing I’m hoping for is to live long enough to see our ruling class on their knees with the blade at their necks.
We’ll just be the little people that get shuffled around.
Like wise there is no federal law forcing the states to educate illegals and in state out of state tuition has been legal for years. The depart Of ICE has no dog in this hunt.
Nah, just use fake ones like everybody else.
Shall we assume they won’t have to pay “out of state” tuition?
Like “Sanctuary Cities” this kind of logic will perpetuate the problem and make it invincible.
And, no matter who is elected, it’s a guarantee that they will come in here and try to make this “North Mexico”. And, they will vote Democrat, so forget ever having a Conservative majority again.
“Holy cr@p. So a kid from Texas that wants to go to UNC has to pay more than a kid from Tijuana and state taxes go to subsidize this”
....when my daughter went to Chapel Hill the cost for out-of-state kids was considerably more...if illegals are paying in-state tuition, then out of-state-parents should sue.
The kid from Tijuana pays less only if he's met the residency requirements and the kid from Texas has not. If he's met the residency requirements then he's been paying state taxes somewhere either through property taxes or rent.
The Lord commanded Israel not to oppress the alien among them. If we are going to allow the illegals to stay here, we need to treat them equally. If we aren't, then we need to be about sending them home, not denying their kids an education.
“kid from Tijuana pays less only if he’s met the residency requirements “
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so you can be a resident of NC but still be here illegally?
seems that the law has a big loop hole if true.
“The Lord commanded Israel not to oppress the alien among them”
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does the command of Isreal apply to North Carolina?
Leave to Ceasar what is Ceasars seems to come to mind..
as for equal treatment of all, how is granting same citizens rights to violators of our border laws and treating those who came here legally equal any justice or fairness ??
One cannot pick and choose what law we enforce and on whom
with out creating an evil system which at it’s root denies fairness to those who came here legally and under great hardship in many cases.
Difference between “resident” and “legal resident”.
seems somebody in the federal government is working (rooting) for the enemies of the USA.
Seems this is a POLITICAL statement not a legal statement by somebody who was not elected to office.
A friend of mine called the NC Attorney General’s office and said she wanted to report a crime. When the people got online, she said she wanted Governor Easley arrested for violating the law.
This is one of the cases where the laws are a bit behind the times. The States assume if you are living in the US, then you are “legal.” So they define a state-tuition eligible resident as somebody who went to High School, or lived in the state for a few years, etc.
The law needs to be changed - but until then, while others may break the laws, we still need to follow them.
Of course, I perpetually follow the rules, but what happens to someone if they do use a wrong ss number?
susie
Hmmmm.....I think I’m going to help my niece go to WHICHEVER college she desires (she’s pretty smart, too and her family doesn’t have the $$ to pay full tuition).....and, she’s 1/2 Mexican and can pass for Hispanic....wants to go to a really expensive college in Oregon (liberal...aaggghhh)....I think I’ll tell her to change her name to a hispanic last name and start applying ANYWHERE for IN STATE TUITION (she lives in Alaska right now with her parents.) Think it’ll work???
<< Shall we assume they won’t have to pay “out of state” tuition? >>
How about any tuition?
Well, it wasn't said to North Carolina. But the Lord did kind of set an example in requiring that of Israel.
"One cannot pick and choose what law we enforce and on whom with out creating an evil system which at it’s root denies fairness to those who came here legally and under great hardship in many cases."
True, but the problem here is that the immigration law has been ignored for so long, by both Democrat and Republican presidents. And it's continuing to be ignored.
I don't think we are prohibited from preventing them entering our country or from sending them packing when we find them. But where I think the line is drawn, is letting them stay here and work for us for years, and then treating them second class.
“True, but the problem here is that the immigration law has been ignored “
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and how does that differ from what you advocate?
(ignoring laws and treating a great group of law abiding
citizens who did it the right way the same as illegals)
you did not have to write” TRUE, BUT”..it’s true and no BUTS can change that. When you try to spin away from the truth you end up with these “true but” moments where the logic of your position must lead.. your position has no consistancy at all..a great start for evil to manifest itself in public policy.
What a joke this government is.
The fish rots from the head.
The Lord commanded Israel not to oppress the alien among them. If we are going to allow the illegals to stay here, we need to treat them equally. If we aren't, then we need to be about sending them home, not denying their kids an education.
If you don't mind me asking, How can he verify his residence if you can't verify his true identity, his true length of stay, his true country of origin or even his true age? With affirmative action still in place he can still move to an area in the last semester of high-school and qualify for in state tuition. In Texas if you're in the top 10% of ANY high school you are guaranteed admission to the state university. Has nothing to do with SAT's or grades...just top 10%. Therefore some schools in the Valley have kids going to UT with lower SAT's than other kids in the state. Kewl, huh?
Now the Bible quotations are very applicable. Now what was it about "lying" that I read about.... or "stealing" (money from legal residents of this country)... or "coveting you neighbors (whatever)"... I'm a little foggy on that you see, since your all for it, how about this. Start a fund, put your name on it and give it to every illegal alien kid's university to help pay his way.
That way you can "feel" good about yourself and the citizens of the state of North Carolina and the USA can spend money on the charity they want to spend it on.... say indigent health care in the emergency room, buying more jail space for illegal alien criminals, ... you see I can spend money on what I want to and you can spend money on what you want to. Neat, huh?
I'm just saying that I believe if you allow them to live here and work here, but deny them things like an opportunity to educate their kids, you will incur the Lord anger.
You can spend your money on whatever floats your boat. Just don't let your greed for cheap labor bring down the Lords wrath on the whole country.
What undocumented students should know about going to college.
“1. Send home the illegal aliens, which would restore fairness. “
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I opt for option one, thank you.
However: with the logic you present, would that not be oppression of the aliens long here??
ergo :you must fight this option.. once again problems when we spin truth and Are not truthful with yourself:
I Feel you do not want a solution that corrects the problem.
What you want is charity to the illegals no matter what burden on our fellow citizens and unfairness visited on those who came here legally.
Should my tax dollars be used to support education/medical care/food/shelter of someone’s child , when that person is free to leave this country and return to his homeland.
Think about that..does G-d command those that steal and break our laws be exempt from result of THAT SIN?
I don't see it that way. You're enforcing the current law, albeit late. And I'm very much for that solution.
But what a lot of people want to do, is create all these laws that oppress illegals, and keeps them down, but they are ok if they stay here so they can take advantage of their cheap labor.
And there are other people like you, that want to send them home, but see oppressing them while they stay here as the next best option. But in my opinion, the Lord has said don't do that.
If he meets the residency requirements then his parents have been paying tax for a number of years too. Otherwise, he'll be paying out of state tuition.
If he's lying about being a resident then he should be prosecuted for theft and fraud. Just as anybody from Texas that tries to commit that same fraud to get out of paying out of state tuition.
Just Assuming that you havent’t heard of the NAU. All of this crap comes together when you research it. Now whether or not you or I will put up with it is another story.
given the Hispanic high school dropout rate, there should be quite a bid of federal and scholarship money available for a legal Hispanic woman who wants to attend college. OTOH, the groups which purportedly champion the "rights" of Hispanic students (MALDEF, La Raza, etc.) probably don't have a dime for those students as they spend most of their time and money agitating.
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