Posted on 05/12/2008 6:59:24 AM PDT by BGHater
Texas authorities have asked foster care providers to immunize every FLDS child - despite some parents' concerns about possible negative effects.
The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services sent letters to 16 group homes and shelters this week asking them to line up shots for the children.
"It appears to be a totally unimmunized population," said Patrick Crimmins, department spokesman. "We're the legal parents of the children and we would like for them to be immunized."
Crimmins said the state requires all children in custody to be immunized for their "health and safety." He said no one would be forced to get inoculations; older children specifically would have the opportunity to decline the shots.
A Dallas attorney called the demand "outrageous."
"The truth is [FLDS parents] don't kow what to do," said Polly R. O'Toole, who represents one child. "They would prefer to make that decision. But they are afraid to exercise any options out of fear they will be perceived as uncooperative by CPS."
Rod Parker, a Salt Lake City attorney who has acted as a spokesman for the FLDS, said some children have been immunized but their health records are in Utah.
Willie Jessop, an FLDS member and spokesman, said some parents have immunized their children and some have not. "It's an individual decision," he said. But the parents "oppose forced mandates of things happening to their children they don't even know don't even know about."
I don’t think the older kids are going to catch autism at this point but they could catch one of the diseases, especially in Texas
LOL, just another crook dancing for his money.
Wow. Now this is a hearty stew. Parental rights, children’s rights, the authority of the state, the authority and responsibility of the temporary guardians not to mention a little health and welfare of children thrown into the soup for flavoirng. Should be interesting.
No, you've them in your care and custody, you are not the legal parents of these children. But like most things in this case, laws do not apply, as it's for the children... I do not agree with the beliefs, nor the accused actions of the FLDS group, but nothing frightens me more than government agencies who have no care for constitutional guarantees.
The children are pretty well isolated so I don’t see the urgency of this. While many things are/may be wrong with this whole cult situation, if I were to write a book about the state taking “right now”, I’d probably call it “Stolen Children”.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! More autistic kids for the Government to support.
they are no longer isolated.
They are in one of the wost situations, foster care.
(though vaccines no longer use mercury in their mix)
Perhaps they should just hold off til the DNA comes back then they would know WHICH parents to ask.
Is the CPS rushing to jackboot the issue?
This is not a crisis issue at this point and will hold for a few weeks.
Abuse of power will destroy the United States as it has so many nations throughout history......
vee are from ze government vee arrrre heeere to help you...
But the government knows what is best for us though.
/s
The parents gave away their rights a long time ago when they sacrificed their children to the cult.
Period.
I completely agree with you! Truly frightening that this “agent of the state” sees himself/state agency as the “legal parents” of these children. I haven’t seen any court orders terminating the parental rights of the REAL parents.
I totally condemn child abuse in any way but I believe that what has been done in this case is a substitution of “supposed abuse” by the true parents to absolute abuse by the system.
I agree
What is scary is the people that will go to amazing efforts in defending anything the almighty government and the Texas CPS decides to do.
Spoken like a man who does not know the delicacy of the situation he is managing. Reminiscent of the much-maligned statement of Al Haig when Regan was shot.
It also de-emphasizes the ostensible good will on the government's part to "sort out the confusion" and return as many children to parents as possible. I would say "deserving parents," but that is too wide open for interpretation.
The picture seems to be becoming more complex than any single blanket characterization initially presented. Criminal investigation and prosecution might have clarifieds what now looks like a big snarl of yarn with about 40 different, tangled leagal threads running in and out of it and people wanting to attack it as a gordian knot. There was sufficient lead time, suspicion, and resources.
I view these people like I view illegal aliens. If you live illegally, you cannot demand your rights.
How do you immunize against inbreeding?
Well said!
Bingo.
50+ your girls knocked up and/or have children and you call that supposed abuse. Well la de da!
Not much of a legal argument. The terms are too vague and could be used against, say, Baptists or Catholics. But it's fun to stir up the blood. Sans mob rule, we need clear criteria of criminal activity and transparent prosecution thereof. I think these are forthcoming, after a trainwreck of a start.
Will the state accept responsibility for serious side effects including death?
the “Norm” is what they want you to accept that EVERYONE without question gets vaccinated.
There are contraindications which I’m sure they will overlook NOT to give some of those vaccinations.
"The terms are too vague and could be used against, say, Baptists or Catholics."
How?
They will no doubt get their vaccinations right before the Heather has Two Mommies class and right after Transgenderism in the 21st Century.
This is horrifying and sickening.
I am shocked that Freepers who claim to support smaller government and individual liberty are stretching for ways to justify this abuse.
I really hope you’ll enjoy your fascist state.
That is frightening, isn’t it? Sort of like Nazi Germany.
It’s one thing to say you are protecting the children. But this is part of the problem I always have with DCF. They suddenly think they are the parents, and try to forct the kids into the mold that they think kids should be in nowadays.
I’ve had friends who have had run-ins with DCF. They take kids that have been carefully kept out of a secular, liberal worldview and throw them ruthlessly in it. And they have a very arrogant view about it, with the same “we are the parents now” attitude.
” Sort of like Nazi Germany.”
Except for the labor camps, ovens, gassing, shooting, mass graves, 6 million Jews killed, marching on Poland and France, I guess it is like Nazi Germany.
To the power mad liberal elites, anyone who believes in God is in a cult.
The power CFS has is total, and has and will abuse innocents when ever they get the chance. Specially those who dare not to worship the God of Government.
Yeah, about once a week, they sweep through the Methodist Church and take away the children. We usually go out to eat on those nights.
How?
Google search: Cult + Catholic , Cult + Baptist
It all depends on who has the power to define what is a cult.
Cults are legal
Abusing children and having sex with minors is not.
Do you agree?
No, seriously, nobody ever faces a charge based on whether you call it a cult or not.
Cults that practice criminal behavior get busted.
Labeling your group a religion or a cult does not give you a pass to violate the law and when your religion involves the use of underage girls for sexual purposes then you draw the attention of the law.
Next?...since the state are now the “parents” ....
Forced abortions for the pregnent minors!
WOOHOO!
The unborn have been “poisoned” by their “former” parents “belief system”...the unborn have been “abused” too....better to off them than take the chance...
KILL THEM CULT BABIES!!!!!!!
/sarc
“The parents gave away their rights a long time ago when they sacrificed their children to the cult. to abortion.
Do you agree?”
Agree? We don’t even know what it means.
In Texas the mommies and daddies came for the female children’s bodies and Texas said ‘hell no’ you sick bas*ards, that don’t fly in our state.
Ping
That clarifies.
God is not a source of truth to you, and the Government is your God.
At least, I believe this assumption follows you posting philosophy.
So, killing babies is something you don’t know what it means. OK. Got it.
Do you even know how sad that is?
Yet the “family” lives in Texas, presumably for several years, and the intervention was six weeks ago. Six weeks and the “parents” still can’t identify their children and provide basic documents?
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Will you stop making sense ??????????????????
:)
I haven’t seen the “50+ your girls knocked up and/or have children “ figure anywhere. Do you have a link to that?
Look, I’m not saying that there wasn’t abuse but I believe that the government is also abusing these children. There is no simple answer to this situation but I’m totally suspect of the government and DCF in particular!!!
When are you going to start speaking English?
This thread is about a child rape cult being busted and the children being rescued but you are mumbling something about abortion and government being God.
The government is God crowd is small but loud on this website.
AMEN!
RE posts 31 and 34...you are on a roll today...and its only lunchtime!!!
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