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Air Combat by Remote Control
Wall Street Journal ^ | 12 May 2008 | By BRIAN M. CARNEY

Posted on 05/12/2008 10:07:01 AM PDT by shrinkermd

The sniper never knew what hit him. The Marines patrolling the street below were taking fire, but did not have a clear shot at the third-story window that the sniper was shooting from. They were pinned down and called for reinforcements.

Help came from a Predator drone circling the skies 20 miles away. As the unmanned plane closed in, the infrared camera underneath its nose picked up the muzzle flashes from the window. The sniper was still firing when the Predator's 100-pound Hellfire missile came through the window and eliminated the threat.

The airman who fired that missile was 8,000 miles away, here at Creech Air Force Base, home of the 432nd air wing. The 432nd officially "stood up," in the jargon of the Air Force, on May 1, 2007. One year later, two dozen of its drones patrol the skies over Iraq and Afghanistan every hour of every day. And almost all of them are flown by two-man crews sitting in the air-conditioned comfort of a "ground control station" (GCS) in the Nevada desert

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Nevada; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; creechafb; drones; iraq; miltech; uav; usaf; wot
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Knowing that the SOB firing at the Marines is dead brightens my day.
1 posted on 05/12/2008 10:07:01 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Powered by Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator?

Nothing like the Blue Screen of Death on the instrument panels.


2 posted on 05/12/2008 10:09:50 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: shrinkermd

From 8,000 miles away. Gives new meaning to, “reach out and touch someone”.


3 posted on 05/12/2008 10:10:00 AM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: Larry Lucido; SLB; Squantos; Travis McGee; hiredhand; sit-rep
Things sure have changed a lot since I was in the service. I'd hate to see these capabilities turned against American citizens, IYKWIM...
4 posted on 05/12/2008 10:11:36 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: shrinkermd

As my grandpa would have said ... if he had said it... Not enough of em to spread on toast.


5 posted on 05/12/2008 10:15:33 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Joe Brower
I'd hate to see these capabilities turned against American citizens

The drones tend to work best in a situation of high-tech vs. low tech combat. I'm sure some advanced missiles could take down a squadron of drones if used against us.

6 posted on 05/12/2008 10:15:56 AM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: shrinkermd

It does me too, but damnit I don’t really want so much information to be aired in public. There are just some things I’d rather have left unsaid. It’s controled from iside the United States 8,000 miles away. That’s very cool, but why is it necessary to broadcast the exact base?


7 posted on 05/12/2008 10:18:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: shrinkermd

“One year later, two dozen of its drones patrol the skies over Iraq and Afghanistan every hour of every day.”

Money well spent. I’d blanket the country with them..


8 posted on 05/12/2008 10:19:12 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: dan1123
"advanced missiles"

are those available at the local 7-11 these days? :)

9 posted on 05/12/2008 10:19:20 AM PDT by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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To: shrinkermd

With compliments to the Discovery Channel commercial ... “BOOM DE ADDAH”


10 posted on 05/12/2008 10:19:44 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: Joe Brower

That’s something I think about on at least a weekly basis, sometimes on a daily basis.

I had already thought of it this morning on another topic here.

I wish it weren’t so necessary to think along these lines in this day and age.


11 posted on 05/12/2008 10:21:15 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: wastedyears

Interesting that you say that. When I’m involved in govt specs for anything other than trivial desktop machine stuff, I specify some Unix variant, or even Apple. Microsoft products are strictly forbidden for exactly what you joked about. No one in their right mind trusts that company for anything approaching quality.


12 posted on 05/12/2008 10:21:23 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: shrinkermd

Bump for later reading.

GET SOME!


13 posted on 05/12/2008 10:21:57 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: wastedyears

“Nothing like the Blue Screen of Death on the instrument panels.”

Funny, that’s what the AF pilots sitting in the team chairs call it when they tell the Predator to fire the missile.

“Say goodbye Ahab, here comes the Blue Screen of Death”.


14 posted on 05/12/2008 10:22:31 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: shrinkermd

I love it. Zap the bad guys with a robot from twenty miles away without risking one of our boys. We should be cranking these babies out like cans of tuna fish until they blacken the skies over Afghanistan and Iran.

Of course, what can be used can also be abused. Let’s hope that such systems are used only for good, never for evil.


15 posted on 05/12/2008 10:23:51 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: mgc1122

With Mack firing his 40mm grenade and a smile on his face.

To be honest as liberal as they are I am surprised they put that in the commercial.


16 posted on 05/12/2008 10:23:53 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: shrinkermd

I absolutely LOVED reading this story.


17 posted on 05/12/2008 10:27:55 AM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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To: dan1123; Joe Brower

The drones are good in an area where we have absolute air superiority. They wouldn’t live a minute in an area protected by effective AA missiles.

I saw an interesting show on the History Channel Saturday. It was about future air combat. The Predators would be used as decoys for the real bombers to come in and destroy the AA sites. However, it seems to me that the Predator itself could be used as an expendable platform to launch HARM (High-speed Anti Radiation) missiles as soon as the AA radar sites came on line. Expendable because, as the AF pilot said, a Predator doesn’t have a mother or wife or kids.


18 posted on 05/12/2008 10:31:27 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Joe Brower

When that happens, the fact that the targets are “citizens” will be secondary to the excuse that they use.


19 posted on 05/12/2008 10:36:23 AM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: Joe Brower
Things sure have changed a lot since I was in the service. I'd hate to see these capabilities turned against American citizens...

I was in the Marines '74-'78. Was a radio tech. Never saw any combat.

Yes, things have sure changed since then. Much more sophisticated stuff.

The day that stuff gets used against American citizens (by a socialist future President dealing with states that want to leave the union or perhaps enforcing gun control confiscation laws against radicals who just won't get with the program, or whatever Civil War Two type situation anyone can think of) this country and it's individual citizens will have much bigger problems than the tactics of hiding from and dealing with remote controlled missiles.

20 posted on 05/12/2008 10:37:41 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: Joe Brower

I understand your concerns and share them.


21 posted on 05/12/2008 10:38:51 AM PDT by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, and Guns more then ever.)
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To: Joe Brower
On a related note...the "sniper" was definitely an idiot. Who in their right mind "pins down" anybody with first-world fighting capabilities? Did the moron think that because they were pinned down by him that he had the upper hand? Sheesh...He should have "unassed the AO" once he realized that they weren't moving. What did he think they were doing? But I'm grateful in this case that he got the Darwin Award for Stupid Terrorists.

The only time a sniper should "stay put" is if he knows that his support elements have control over the ground and the air. This guy's "support elements" obviously didn't. :-)
22 posted on 05/12/2008 10:40:58 AM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: shrinkermd

I can only hope that the video becomes public.


23 posted on 05/12/2008 10:43:17 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: Walkingfeather

Or... as I’m fond of saying,

“nothing left but hair, teeth, and eyes...”; or,
“not enough to scrape up with a stick and a spoon.”

:D

Hoss


24 posted on 05/12/2008 10:47:13 AM PDT by HossB86
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To: vietvet67

The interesting thing about blanketing an entire country with them....is that you have to have a real pilot (who makes in the $60-$90k range of pay) flying each one of those. The AF won’t accept the idea of a lesser ranked guy (like the Army does it)....and they currently run around and talk of the vast shortage of Predator pilots...because real pilots don’t want to fly UAVs.


25 posted on 05/12/2008 10:54:53 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: HossB86

Ick!


26 posted on 05/12/2008 10:56:46 AM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: potlatch







THE NIGHT STALKER



27 posted on 05/12/2008 11:01:03 AM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: pepsionice

That’s always been a problem with the AF; 21st century generals with 1940s brains. Take the Predators away from the AF and let the Army and Marines have them with NCO controllers.


28 posted on 05/12/2008 11:06:27 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: pepsionice

It isn’t the salary of a pilot against a private that’s prohibitive, it’s the two or three million dollars they spent training the pilot to fly real planes.

Your tax dollars at work.


29 posted on 05/12/2008 11:20:01 AM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: CGTRWK

The beautiful thing about the Reaper is, it can tool around at high altitudes, for hours at a time, say 14 hours, and the enemy has not idea that the Reaper is there. I live in Las Vegas, and we are very proud of the Creech facility and the people that man the instillation


30 posted on 05/12/2008 12:01:23 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: CGTRWK

The beautiful thing about the Reaper is, it can tool around at high altitudes, for hours at a time, say 14 hours, and the enemy has not idea that the Reaper is there. I live in Las Vegas, and we are very proud of the Creech facility and the people that man the instillation


31 posted on 05/12/2008 12:01:37 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: shrinkermd; freema; jazusamo

PINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!


32 posted on 05/12/2008 12:11:44 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Joe Brower
I'd hate to see these capabilities turned against American citizens, IYKWIM...

That's a big part of my new novel. I'm even considering a Predator silhouette over the USA for the book cover.

33 posted on 05/12/2008 12:26:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: hiredhand
Snipers with a 72 virgin death wish might not be using our SOPs.
34 posted on 05/12/2008 12:28:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Joe Brower
Things sure have changed a lot since I was in the service. I'd hate to see these capabilities turned against American citizens, IYKWIM...

Exactly what I was thinking...all skirmishes are now worth engaging.
35 posted on 05/12/2008 12:29:06 PM PDT by TxAg1981
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To: CGTRWK; Squantos

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the pilot rank irony goes even further. I believe that the actual take offs and landings are conducted by NCO’s at the local Iraqi air base, and the Predators are only “handed off” to the distant controllers when they are safely airborne.

So the “hard part” of the flying is not even done by the pilot officers, (USAF Pilots Union), that is 7,000 miles away.


36 posted on 05/12/2008 12:31:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

You are correct.......


37 posted on 05/12/2008 12:34:17 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: UCANSEE2
“Nothing like the Blue Screen of Death on the instrument panels.”
Funny, that’s what the AF pilots sitting in the team chairs call it when they tell the Predator to fire the missile.
“Say goodbye Ahab, here comes the Blue Screen of Death”.

Sounds more humane than "Death by PowerPoint"...

38 posted on 05/12/2008 12:35:54 PM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (Always bring a liberal to a gunfight)
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To: Squantos

Evryboddy nows you ken’t hav mere inlisted swine fliyng areoplanes. It jest woodent werk. No way, no how.


39 posted on 05/12/2008 12:36:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: dcwusmc; shrinkermd; freema

Excellent! That Hellfire ruined the snipers whole day and then some. :-)

Thanks for the ping.


40 posted on 05/12/2008 12:44:28 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Da Coyote
"I specify some Unix variant, or even Apple. "

I thought that, these days, those were pretty much the same thing.

41 posted on 05/12/2008 1:07:35 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: devolve

I love this, a beautiful graphic!!


42 posted on 05/12/2008 1:16:04 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

.

Thanks potlatch -

I could not resist it with this thread title!


43 posted on 05/12/2008 1:24:48 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: DoughtyOne
why is it necessary to broadcast the exact base

Assumes that a)The Reporter was given the correct information. and b)The reporter reported it right.

Two big assumptions, to be sure.

44 posted on 05/12/2008 1:36:42 PM PDT by wbill
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To: dan1123; Joe Brower

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Joe means this technology used against us by our government.


45 posted on 05/12/2008 1:57:40 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.)
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To: wbill

I guess that’s fair. I just don’t like the idea of an enemy knowing where to go looking if they want to try to compromise an operation. The next thing you know they’ll name one of the men in this operation in a story about what an interesting job he has.


46 posted on 05/12/2008 1:59:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: devolve

Perfect spot for it!


47 posted on 05/12/2008 2:20:49 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: DoughtyOne
The next thing you know they’ll name one of the men in this operation in a story about what an interesting job he has.

You forgot your /sarc tag since the article did just that.

48 posted on 05/12/2008 2:31:52 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (If my dog had hands, he could be a surgeon. He's already smart enough.)
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To: CholeraJoe

That figures. I flit around to som many subjects here, that I sometimes miss parts of the articles.

Thanks for pointing that out. I do find that disconcerting.


49 posted on 05/12/2008 2:40:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: devolve

Thanks for that Devolve. I don’t think folks will ever acuse me of having too much time on my hands after this.

That’s quite clever.


50 posted on 05/12/2008 2:42:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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