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McCain Lost Me Today [vanity]
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Posted on 05/12/2008 3:00:52 PM PDT by davidtalker

McCain Breaks with Bush on Climate Change

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) speaks to employees about alternative energy sources at the Vestas Wind Technology plant in Portland, Oregon May 12, 2008. (Reuters)

Updated 4:40 p.m. By Juliet Eilperin PORTLAND, Ore. -- Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) outlined his proposal to address climate change this morning, offering plans that would go beyond President Bush's but fall short of the bipartisan bill headed for a Senate vote next month.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.washingtonpost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 110th; bush; climatechange; greens; mccain; rino
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Sorry for the vanity. However, I need to get this out there. I have defended McCain on these forums recently. Took some of the "McCain haters" to task for their bashing. I responded with the standard argument that not voting for McCain is a vote for Obama. Yada Yada Yada.

Just wanted you to know I was wrong. You "haters" (I am a hater now too) are correct. No self respecting conservative can vote for this guy. I have always known of the litany of offenses he's committed. I have never considered him a movement conservative. However, I felt it imperative in time of war to go the lesser of evils route. But, that's over. The guy doesn't want my vote. He insists on forcing me to abandon my principles. I can't do it.

I just got finished with the Washington Post story with McCain in Oregon hugging on Dem Gov. Ted Kulongoski. Talking about limiting my freedoms by cutting down on carbon emissions. All based on global warming junk science. I knew he was embarking on this "green" tour. However, mandatory emission cuts and hugging on a lib Gov. Forget it Senator. You just lost me. You have no use for us. We have no use for you. Got help us. We are so screwed.

BTW. I admire the guy. I respect his heroism. I have interviewed him numerous times. Nothing personal. He just isn't my idea of what a GOP Presidential candidate is supposed to represent. Over and out.

1 posted on 05/12/2008 3:00:52 PM PDT by davidtalker
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To: davidtalker

Good for you. Glad to have you on board!


2 posted on 05/12/2008 3:02:48 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: davidtalker
Roger davidtalker. McCain's the only one we got. Over...
3 posted on 05/12/2008 3:02:52 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: davidtalker

McCain lost me with his past 7 years of antics..


4 posted on 05/12/2008 3:04:16 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: davidtalker

I’m with you. The global warming bullsh!t he was spewing today has completely erased any chance of my voting for him.


5 posted on 05/12/2008 3:04:19 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Save the earth. Make biofuels out of eco-fascists.)
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To: davidtalker

It’s not about hating John McCain. I just don’t see the point in voting to encourage the GOP even further leftward.


6 posted on 05/12/2008 3:04:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: davidtalker

At least he said that we need to expand nuclear energy.

Every time I make that point with the hippies who populate my town, they freak.


7 posted on 05/12/2008 3:04:38 PM PDT by SeanOGuano
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To: davidtalker
I actually do believe that McCain is going to win the election in November. I also believe that he'll probably end up being an even worse President than Bush is.

By the time we're done with him, there probably won't be a conservative movement left to speak of.

8 posted on 05/12/2008 3:04:59 PM PDT by jpl ("Don't tell me words don't matter." - Barack Obama, via Deval Patrick)
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To: davidtalker

McCain actually believes the tripe about human global warming (and if true it’s mostly because of meat-eating, so will McCain give up steak?). He’s lost me for years, and I await his VP choice to judge the ticket.


9 posted on 05/12/2008 3:05:16 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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To: davidtalker

Sadly, McCain has now given me a compelling reason to ‘stay home’. I won’t won’t Dem, but I may not pull any lever for POTUS come November. I’ll still vote in state and local elections.


10 posted on 05/12/2008 3:05:45 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: davidtalker
As soon as I work myself up to support ol' John, he goes & says something really stupid. Its as if he's doing it on purpose.

So, basically, I'm about a half-step behind you.

11 posted on 05/12/2008 3:06:35 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Crim

McCain is going to make Woody Allen look like John Wayne before this is over.


12 posted on 05/12/2008 3:06:39 PM PDT by unkus
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To: cripplecreek
It’s not about hating John McCain. I just don’t see the point in voting to encourage the GOP even further leftward.

I agree. It's not about hate. It's about disgust and a sense that McCain will quickly throw us under the bus.

Have you watched him during interviews? He sits there with an almost psychotic smile and then giggles after every answer. I really think the guy is unbalanced.

13 posted on 05/12/2008 3:07:03 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: davidtalker

Enjoy 8 years of Hilabama and 20 to 30 years of a liberal activist supreme court.


14 posted on 05/12/2008 3:07:12 PM PDT by Perdogg (Four years of Carter gave us 29 years of Iran; What will Hilabama give us?)
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To: davidtalker

This cinched it for me. I was on the fence.. Now there is no way I can vote for this guy. none..


15 posted on 05/12/2008 3:07:59 PM PDT by tje
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To: davidtalker
No vanity in that post.

The only one that demonstrates an excessive ego and pure, unadulterated vanity is Sen. Juan McCain!

What does this say about a nation who offers up three ninnyhammers to the voters?

One of them belongs in a orange jump suit. Another is truly an America hater and the third one is in the mid-stages of dementia.

Gorebal Warming indeed!

16 posted on 05/12/2008 3:08:42 PM PDT by fweingart (It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in!)
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To: davidtalker
US needs two national programs. 1st goal, 20% of the national grid to be provided by Nuke power. 2nd goal, produce enough bio-diesel from algae to lower the national average price to $2.00 per gallon for diesel.

Build both as Nationalized projects and then sell to the market.

17 posted on 05/12/2008 3:08:52 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: davidtalker
Good to hear from you again.

Having McCain as the only choice for conservatives is bizarre. I guess that was the purpose of the liberal media campaign against Romney from the start.

I watched a coupl of years ago when Hillary and Russ Feingold dragged McCain to the Exit Glacier near Seward, Alaska on the Pacific coast and convinced him he was in ANWR, the wasteland in the farthest NE corner of the state. The poor guy may mean well, but he is just not on top of things and it will likely show during the hard parts of the coming campaign.

Ain't it funny that the media doesn't mention the price of oil when Clinton signed the liberal bill making ANWR a national Monument which effectively told OPEC that we won't harvest our own fruit, even at the expense of our own economy and maybe our future.

18 posted on 05/12/2008 3:09:25 PM PDT by Baynative (www.motorlinellc.com)
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To: davidtalker

BTW. I admire the guy. I respect his heroism. I have interviewed him numerous times. Nothing personal. He just isn’t my idea of what a GOP Presidential candidate is supposed to represent. Over and out.


So we will get either Hillary or Obama, correct?

Can you give a senario that is plausible that someone other than a Rep can defeat the Dem nominee? I don’t think that is possible with the likes of Barr, Keyes, Baldwin, Nader, etc. etc. So in my book it’s either McCain or the Dem and our best hope is for down ticket support to hold either of them in line once elected.

Thanks but I’ll take McCain of the Dems for two reasons:

1] The men and women of our Military

2] The next SCOTUS nominees


19 posted on 05/12/2008 3:09:44 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: davidtalker

If McCain loses, the GOP will claim it was because McCain wasn’t far enough left. If he wins, they will claim that the nation wants the GOP to move left. It is a lose-lose for conservatives.

And the whole nation suffers under Obama.

If you can’t vote for McCain, at least show up and vote for your GOP senator and representative.


20 posted on 05/12/2008 3:10:18 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: cripplecreek
Exactly. If conservatives stampede out in droves to vote for McCain this fall, who will they (the RNC, and the liberal primary voters in the NE) put on the Republican ticket next time, after either the McCain or Obama presidency?

Lindsay Graham?

Voinovich?

Either senator from Maine?

This stops NOW.

If McCain can get enough Sierra Club voters and La Raza voters to put him in office, I wish him well. At this rate, he's going to get about 10 conservative votes nation-wide.

21 posted on 05/12/2008 3:11:37 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: davidtalker
what choice do we have? Obama? Clinton?

Our choices are absolutely the worst choices of presidential candidates in all of human history. Not just US history.

22 posted on 05/12/2008 3:11:37 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: davidtalker

Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies.


23 posted on 05/12/2008 3:11:41 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: davidtalker; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; Normandy; Delacon; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

24 posted on 05/12/2008 3:11:48 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Baynative
Mark Levin is talking specifics on McCain plans right now, good show!
25 posted on 05/12/2008 3:11:56 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: Perdogg
Enjoy 8 years of Hilabama and 20 to 30 years of a liberal activist supreme court.

Yep, you'd think McCain would appreciate the stakes involved.

26 posted on 05/12/2008 3:12:24 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: davidtalker

So who’s our viable alternative?


27 posted on 05/12/2008 3:13:13 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: lesser_satan

Put me down as another life long Republican, and a physicist, who cannot support a man foolish enough, or power hungry enough, to sign on to the GW hoax just to get elected.

He has lost me for good!


28 posted on 05/12/2008 3:13:25 PM PDT by Laserman
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To: Perdogg
I suggest you review what supreme court justices McCain has already voted for and are sitting on the court now.
29 posted on 05/12/2008 3:13:25 PM PDT by DB
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To: Blueflag

Don’t stay home. Go and vote for your GOP congress critters. If the ‘Rats take a 60 seat majority in the Senate and the WH, there is no part of the Constitution that will be safe. Obam will certainly not veto anything that will come through and you can GUARANTEE that higher taxes, higher fuel prices, a weaker military, kowtowing to tin pot dictators and terrorists, and socialized medicine will be just the start.


30 posted on 05/12/2008 3:14:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Jim 0216

Then we got nothing. We’re not even bringing a knife to a gunfight. It’s more a limp noodle to what should have been a barrel of fish.


31 posted on 05/12/2008 3:14:11 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: davidtalker

For me it was McCain-Feingold. Then the incessant pushing to close the “Gunshow Loophole”. Then his actions as leader of the “Gang of 14” further reinforced my views. Then his remarks that Alito was too conservative. Now this. I believe in stewardship & conservation, but don’t abide environmentalists. As standard bearer and leader of the GOP, he could easily do more damage than a dem president.


32 posted on 05/12/2008 3:14:44 PM PDT by FreeInWV
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To: jpl
By the time we're done with him, there probably won't be a conservative movement left to speak of.

I strongly disagree! There will always be a "conservative movement"! McCain's ego will likely completely destroy the Republican Party as the "conservative party"! Hopefully, in a relatively few years, the conservative movement will emerge once more as a viable political party (and they won't be called the GOP). Likely though, it will be many years of liberal rule regardless of what party is in power in Washington.

33 posted on 05/12/2008 3:15:26 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: unkus

And Obama will look so marxist that you’ll scammer right back to McCain....I HATE all this global warming BS...but I guess a mighty high percentage of Americans now believe it....the public schools keep teaching this drivel.....

McCain will be fine...we just need to slap him around like we did on immigration.


34 posted on 05/12/2008 3:16:18 PM PDT by HappyinAZ
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To: davidtalker
He just isn't my idea of what a GOP Presidential candidate is supposed to represent.

Why is this surprising?

Can you name any other GOP Presidential candidate that has considered switching to the Democratic Party?

35 posted on 05/12/2008 3:16:24 PM PDT by stockstrader (CHANGE--a euphemism for further dividing our country along racial, social and economic lines)
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To: taxcontrol
20% of the national grid to be provided by Nuke power

Pretty close already on your first goal.

U.S. Electric Power Industry Net Generation, 2006

EIA, Electric Power Annual
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epa_sum.html

36 posted on 05/12/2008 3:17:56 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DB

I suggest that you review them as well. Also, I suggest that you review all of the SCOTUS candidate he voted for including Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts, and Sam Alito (two people Ann Coulter didn’t support). I will also suggest you check to see that historically the Senate has voted to confirm the President’s nominee.In fact, Ruth Baader Meinhoff Ginsberg got only 2 nay votes.


37 posted on 05/12/2008 3:17:59 PM PDT by Perdogg (Four years of Carter gave us 29 years of Iran; What will Hilabama give us?)
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To: stockstrader

Can we take him out at the Convention somehow?

Any ideas?

Anybody?


38 posted on 05/12/2008 3:18:24 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: jpl

That’s one possibility. Another is that conservatives will come to their senses and leave the RINOs to choke in the dust. Maybe I’m being naive, but I hope not.


39 posted on 05/12/2008 3:18:27 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: davidtalker

It’s always been a question of how badly we want to lose once McCain secured enough delegates.

I’ll still vote for McCain in hopes that he won’t hurt me as bad as Obama plans to.

There is no viable alternative to getting screwed, though.


40 posted on 05/12/2008 3:18:31 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: davidtalker

I despise that man so much - worse than Hillary.


41 posted on 05/12/2008 3:20:33 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (Fred Thompson 08)
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To: HappyinAZ

McCain will be elected because Israel will not allow Iran to obtain Nuclear Weapons and Israel will hit Iran sometime before the election. This will scare hell out of the American people and make them realize our National Security has to be # 1.


42 posted on 05/12/2008 3:20:44 PM PDT by unkus
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To: thackney
Really, hmmm, I thought it was only about 10%... Ok, change of plan 50% Nuke power.
43 posted on 05/12/2008 3:21:16 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: davidtalker

This whole fu***ng country has deserted me. I don’t give a rat’s tuckus about any of it any more, and neither should any of you readers. This is the most serious breach with reality that any of us could imagine, and it’s really all over; no kidding.


44 posted on 05/12/2008 3:21:42 PM PDT by Carl from Marietta
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To: davidtalker
Welcome to the club!

(though, unlike you, I do not admire McCain.)

45 posted on 05/12/2008 3:21:43 PM PDT by KevinB (John McCain is to the Republican Party as James Taylor is to the the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame)
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To: davidtalker

Klimate Change is the “2” of the 1-2 punch McCain is set to deliver to America if he is elected. The “1” is, of course, Amnesty. Amnesty will ensconce the socialists in power permanently then Klimate Change legislation will permanently throttle the economy. After that Socialized Medicine is just putting a pillow on the sick man’s face.


46 posted on 05/12/2008 3:22:23 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: unkus
scare hell out of the American people and make them realize our National Security has to be # 1.

Scuse me if I read that, look at our border and laugh.
47 posted on 05/12/2008 3:22:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: davidtalker
That's all right so long as he doesn't actually do anything like that. This is what happens when we don't have any ideas or they have all been discredited or for that matter enacted. You have to borrow the Dem's ideas. There really is a need the for the GOP to reinvent itself or we are just going to see more of this and there really won't be any alternative. When you deserve to lose, as we plainly deserve to, then there is a good bet you will. Problem is, is that the Dem's deserve to win less. If it were not for the three SCOTUS seats that will probably open in the next term I would vote for Obama just so our side could do a change over and come up with something to stand for that we could be proud of.
48 posted on 05/12/2008 3:23:36 PM PDT by bilhosty
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If McCain loses, the GOP will claim it was because McCain wasn’t far enough left.

I disagree. The GOP will know it's because he couldn't motivate the base.

49 posted on 05/12/2008 3:24:24 PM PDT by KevinB (John McCain is to the Republican Party as James Taylor is to the the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame)
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To: davidtalker

http://www.alankeyes.com


50 posted on 05/12/2008 3:24:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Politics is in the truest sense the business of the citizen." - Alan Keyes)
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