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What Does $120 Oil Mean for the Global Economy?
The Oil Drum ^ | May 11, 2008 | Chris Vernon

Posted on 05/12/2008 4:34:46 PM PDT by freerepublic_or_die

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To: trumandogz
BTW-You do realize that you do not have a right to cheap oil?
With all due respect, you make a specious argument,one that is logically flawed, tautologically fallacious, misleading, a red herring, a debating/literary device that erroneously detracts, asymmetrical argumentative.
21 posted on 05/12/2008 6:09:29 PM PDT by freerepublic_or_die (Islam:Truly the opium of the morons with apologies to Karl Marx)
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To: gogogodzilla

The author is correct in that we cannot sustain the price of oil climbing $10.00 a month for all that long. There is a breaking point somewhere and it would be optimal for oil to settle at somewhere between $75 and $85.


22 posted on 05/12/2008 6:11:26 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

I shouldn’t HAVE to say it again, but to reduce oil prices:
1) Decriminalize Atlantic coast drilling,
2) Decriminalize Pacific coast drilling,
3) Decriminalize ANWR drilling,
4) Decriminaize Florida Gulfcoast drilling,
5) Wait 10 years, and
6) Raise the value of the dollar in world currency markets.


23 posted on 05/12/2008 6:16:33 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

It means that terrorists are raking in record profits...


24 posted on 05/12/2008 6:33:31 PM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: river rat

What are you smoking? Name one candidate or current politician who would even THINK about making such statements?

And I don’t think $25/barrel is a good price - our own oil industry would be discouraged from drilling. $40 per barrel would likely be enough to be able to make a profit. That would be less than 1/3 of the current price.

Current price locally for regular unleaded - $3.59. That should then be somewhere less than $1.20 per gallon (except for those pesky gas taxes).


25 posted on 05/12/2008 6:38:29 PM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: kinghorse
Modern manufacturing will have no problem keeping up.

Yeah - manufacturing everywhere except the US where we have let nearly every major industry go overseas (or south of the border). It isn't just our stupid-low interest rates causing a plunge in the value of the US $, it is our lack of manufacturing. We import so much... folks just thought we were importing a lot 20 years ago.

Anyone remember FORMER Wal-Mart slogan under Sam Walton? We buy American, so you can".

Now, their unspoken slogan is - we buy as much from China as we can, so you can get cheap stuff... even if you are pissing your job and standard of living away... Oh - and have you applied for our Wal-Mart Credit Card? Pay 24% interest for your Chinese junk...

26 posted on 05/12/2008 6:44:54 PM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: TheBattman
It's all tongue-in-cheek, not meant to be taken literally. More of why are we allowing them to wreck our economy, let's do something mindset.
27 posted on 05/12/2008 6:46:28 PM PDT by freerepublic_or_die (Islam:Truly the opium of the morons with apologies to Karl Marx)
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To: RightWhale

I wonder what the pump price has to be until all the environazis and the Fools on the Hill are told to get the he!! out of the way and LET US DRILL FOR OUR OWN OIL. Drill ANWAR, off our coasts, justg suck it dry, and build the refineries to handle the stuff. When are we going to tell all those involved with this situation ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!


28 posted on 05/12/2008 7:31:00 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die
That fact is that the world contains 82,000,000 fewer barrels of oil today then it did at this time yesterday. Now, compound that with the fact that India and China are increasing their consumption each and every day while oil production is increasing at a smaller rate.

The end result very well may be a faltering world economy that will cause a decrease in consumption and lower prices. However, there is a good chance that the faltering world economy will be more painful than the current and future price of oil.

29 posted on 05/12/2008 7:38:47 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: DHerion

You think a 10% drop in the $ causes a 100% increase in oil? Ok, then why is oil up almost 40% on gold in the last year?


30 posted on 05/12/2008 8:47:32 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: TheBattman
Current price locally for regular unleaded - $3.59. That should then be somewhere less than $1.20 per gallon (except for those pesky gas taxes).

I was not aware that we were paying $2.39 in gas taxes.

What is your source for that tidbit?

31 posted on 05/12/2008 9:17:15 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

did his report in 2006 take into account dollar devaluation as part of the price move in oil? If he assumed a stable dollar from 2006, his chart would tend to overstate the % of world gdp spent on oil due to the currency devaluation in the US.


32 posted on 05/12/2008 9:37:28 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: trumandogz

Where did YOU get that we are paying $2.39 in gas taxes?

If you read my post, you would see I was making a point about the price of oil - were it to be $40 per barrel, that would be 1/3 the current price. 1/3 of the current price of gasoline would be $1.20 (at least based on the price at the pump here).

But, as gas taxes total up to around 40 cents, and that is not reduced as the price of gas goes up or down, the price of gasoline would not be 1/3 the current price because of those taxes.

So I ask - what the heck were YOU thinking?


33 posted on 05/12/2008 10:02:56 PM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

Iran’s OPEC terrorist thugs should have been sent to Shi’ite ‘paradise’ after we bagged Saddam. Now Tehran’s oil-rich, jihad exporting tyrants are even more dangerous, in part, thanks to Putin’s ongoing advanced weapon’s shipments, coupled with Russkie nuclear fuel, complete with Moscow’s advisor’s stationed in Iran, ironing out any ‘nuclear technicalities’.


34 posted on 05/12/2008 10:21:38 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: rb22982
"You think a 10% drop in the $ causes a 100% increase in oil? Ok, then why is oil up almost 40% on gold in the last year?"

Excellent point!

35 posted on 05/12/2008 10:22:53 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: TheBattman

I now see the rest of your post and understand what you meant.

However, $40.00 a barrel is still too low of a price to sustain the domestic industry.


36 posted on 05/12/2008 11:01:29 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: freerepublic_or_die; All
When I first started compiling this gas was US $1.45 a gallon:

Sticker Shock-$3 a gallon gas? Click the picture:

And I still stand by my vest-pocket summary:

I've been saying for years the way to revive and restore the economy ( and it would have headed off these oil price problems as well ) was to-
1- drill for gas & oil like crazy- onshore, offshore, and in Alaska
2- go nuclear for power
3- convert stationary plants to clean coal technology
4- slash taxes and regulations like crazy

37 posted on 05/13/2008 1:03:55 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderinÂ’ his way across the WWWÂ…)
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To: 2harddrive

Not to mention... start building ‘coal-to-oil’ facilities and ramp up the use of the Canadian tar sands.


38 posted on 05/13/2008 3:55:47 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: trumandogz

You may have a point on the $40 per barrel price point.

What is the actual production cost of a barrel of domestic oil right now? I have heard the figure before but cannot for the life of me remember it.


39 posted on 05/13/2008 4:22:32 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: DHerion

The dollar has been involved, but less so as time goes on. The True Cause is elsewhere.


40 posted on 05/13/2008 7:29:46 AM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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