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Hillary wins — does anybody care?
Politico ^ | May 14th, 2008 | ROGER SIMON

Posted on 05/13/2008 9:05:43 PM PDT by The_Republican

If a tree falls in the forest when everybody expects it to fall, does it make a sound?

Yes, says Hillary Clinton. It makes a deafening roar, says Hillary Clinton.

SHE WON THE WEST VIRGINIA PRIMARY BY A KAZILLION PERCENTAGE POINTS TUESDAY NIGHT, AND THAT, SHE SAYS, HAS TO MEAN SOMETHING!

Except the press doesn’t think so. The press is unimpressed. This may be the first time in election history in which the press has withdrawn from a race before the candidate.

As John Harwood of the New York Times and CNBC said on MSNBC Tuesday several hours before the polls closed, “The headline tomorrow will be: ‘Hillary Clinton Wins Big in West Virginia; Democratic Party Yawns.’”

Wrong! says the Clinton campaign. The party is not yawning, the party is finally waking up to the fact that Barack Obama is a loser!

As Howard Wolfson, Clinton’s communications director, said Tuesday: “I think superdelegates who have been moving toward Barack Obama in the last week are going to wake up tomorrow and say, ‘I’m a little concerned about the fact that our nominee, presumptive nominee, can’t win West Virginia. I’m a little concerned that he can’t win Pennsylvania or Ohio, or Michigan, or Florida.’”

To which the Obama campaign says: “What, us worry?”

Obama, who made only two trips to West Virginia, is doing the equivalent of flicking dust from his shoulders. He didn’t even bother making a concession speech Tuesday night. He was campaigning in Missouri instead.

Missouri is a state he already won in the primaries, but that was the point: He doesn’t care about primaries anymore. Actual voters casting ballots? That is so yesterday.

As everyone knows, the Democratic nomination is determined not by voters actually voting, but by superdelegates choosing whomever they please. (They are the Democratic Party’s equivalent of the Electoral College, a safeguard against too much democracy. Unlike the Electoral College, however, superdelegates were not created in the 18th century but in 1984.)

What counts to Obama is that since his victory in North Carolina and narrow loss in Indiana last week, he has picked up 27 superdelegates and Clinton has picked up one and a half.

Roy R. Romer, a former governor of Colorado, a former Democratic Party chairman and a superdelegate, endorsed Obama on Tuesday, saying: “The math is controlling. This race, I believe, is over.”

Why did Romer decide to back Obama? Obama’s health care plan or his policy on Iraq or his position on the Alternative Minimum Tax? Naw.

“I watched all of these primaries and caucus states and decided Barack Obama was the most electable,” Romer said. Which is what superdelegates, the party insiders, were created to do: make cold calculations instead of giving their hearts away.

His calculations are wrong, says the Clinton campaign. He doesn’t realize that Obama has all these problems: He can’t win working-class voters, he can’t win voters who lack college degrees, he can’t win all sorts of voting groups that Democrats need to win in this fall. (And he has trouble with white voters in certain states: An incredible 20 percent of white voters in West Virginia said race was a factor in their vote, according to exit polls, a percentage second only to that of Mississippi.)

The Obama campaign has three answers to this: First, just because Obama loses a voting bloc in a primary does not mean he will lose the same group in the general election. The Democratic base is going to vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is. And among general election voters, Obama aides say, Obama is doing just fine. (And, besides, no Democratic president since Lyndon Johnson has won the white vote, anyway.)

“Put your brains back in your head and look at the national polls instead of local, primary polls,” a senior Obama aide told me Tuesday in a phone interview. “In national polls, we win every income group against John McCain except those people making $100,000-plus, where we lose by one point, which is a tie.

“Among white, non-college voters, McCain leads Obama 52-40 and he leads Clinton 52-44. A four-point difference between us and Clinton, well within the margin of error.

“Overall in head-to-head matchups, we are beating McCain by more than she is. And, most importantly, we are winning independents 51-42 against McCain, and Clinton loses independents 49-46 against McCain. Se we are plus nine among independents and she is minus three.”

Obama’s second argument is that the slicing and dicing of the electorate into neat little groups misses what he is about: He is unifying figure. He represents change, he says, and he will attract the votes of people who want change, regardless of the neat boxes that pollsters put them in.

Third, Obama believes he is the victim of a dirty trick. He used that phrase. And all he needs to do, he believes, is get the truth out in order to build his numbers.

He was at Schultzie’s Billiards in South Charleston, W. Va., on Monday when a reporter asked, “How problematic are those rumors ... that you don’t pledge allegiance, that you’re a Muslim? They are out there.”

Obama replied, “They’ve been out there since the beginning of this campaign. This is something that has been systematically fed into the bloodstream. We notice these e-mails get sent out in each successive state that we were campaigning in, which indicates that it is not just a random sort of viral thing. I think you know this is a dirty trick that folks are playing on voters.”

As an antidote to dirty tricks, Obama stated -- once again -- that he is a Christian.

Given the long odds of actually defeating Obama, however, why does Clinton keep running?

Because, she said, Tuesday night, “I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard.”

She has no alternative. Just as sharks swim in order to breathe, candidates run in order to exist.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: hillary; hillarystillaloser; obama; operationchaos; wv2008
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1 posted on 05/13/2008 9:05:43 PM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican

The Dimocratz could make a couple of bucks if they designed a bobble head of Her Thighness. She always just bobs that noggin when trying to make a point.


2 posted on 05/13/2008 9:09:30 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: The_Republican

Awesome!

Hillary Clinton must take the race all the way to the Democrat convention. To do anything less would be a slap in the face to all those who have supported her and donated to her campaign.

Go, Hillary, GO!


3 posted on 05/13/2008 9:09:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: The_Republican

‘nother

clinton

ego

trip.


4 posted on 05/13/2008 9:09:43 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: The_Republican

The press already received the memo from the agenda for change:

Ignore Hillary and she will soon be history.
IOW, moveon is now a cruel irony. - considering that it was a Clinton invention.


5 posted on 05/13/2008 9:10:21 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: The_Republican


Walter '08!
6 posted on 05/13/2008 9:10:56 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: The_Republican

Nobody cares about West(by God) Virginia aside from the people living there and Robert Byrd.


7 posted on 05/13/2008 9:10:59 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: The_Republican

If Obama is so dang sure he has it wrapped up then why is he calling us here in Oregon.

And flooding our Oregon tv channels with ads?


8 posted on 05/13/2008 9:12:13 PM PDT by Global2010 (Waiting for Hillary to pull the Rabbit outa the Hat)
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To: The_Republican

The longer the deadly duo of Bill and Hill stick around, the greater the chance to still pull it off. I will not count them out until I hear the sobs during her (their) concession speech.


9 posted on 05/13/2008 9:14:23 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels is like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: Global2010

I care.

Tonight proves once again that Obama’s not winning the white working class vote. There aren’t enough guilt-ridden liberals and college kids to put Obama in the WH.


10 posted on 05/13/2008 9:15:12 PM PDT by Jaguarmike
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To: Lancey Howard

She may ask for Florida if need be.

Go Hillary Go (ditto)


11 posted on 05/13/2008 9:15:16 PM PDT by Global2010 (Waiting for Hillary to pull the Rabbit outa the Hat)
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To: The_Republican

Super delegates were conceived to prevent another Musky.

what did it reap? Mc Govern, Dukakis, Obama


12 posted on 05/13/2008 9:16:26 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: The_Republican

The headline should not be “Hillary Won!” it should be “Barack Obama loses AGAIN”.

As annointed as the Golden Child is, his support is NOT universal.


13 posted on 05/13/2008 9:18:37 PM PDT by weegee (Osama Obama claims to have visited 57 states now. Can you say Potatoe Head?)
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To: Jaguarmike

I agree 100 %


14 posted on 05/13/2008 9:19:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: weegee

Operation Chaos is working beautifly


15 posted on 05/13/2008 9:21:56 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: The_Republican

Obama still can’t close the deal, and that should worry the Dems.

McCain still can’t get about 76% of his own party even though he is the presumptive nominee, and that should worry the Pubbies.


16 posted on 05/13/2008 9:25:08 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Rembrandt

17 posted on 05/13/2008 9:29:03 PM PDT by weegee (Osama Obama claims to have visited 57 states now. Can you say Potatoe Head?)
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To: Global2010
She may ask for Florida if need be.

Well, she BETTER ask for Florida, and Michigan as well. It would be unfair to leave that many voters disenfranchised, otherwise you end up with a candidate who is "selected, not elected", etc., etc., harumph, etc.
/Democrat

Hillary needs to win the national vote total, and then she will have a legitimate argument to take to the convention floor. Go, Hillary, GO!

18 posted on 05/13/2008 9:31:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: TomGuy

19 posted on 05/13/2008 9:33:03 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: The_Republican
Hillary wins — does anybody care?

I care. Obama will never beat McCain.

20 posted on 05/13/2008 9:36:47 PM PDT by upsdriver (the maverick upsdriver is writing in Duncan Hunter for president)
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To: Liberty Valance

I’d vote for him. He makes sense:


Jeff Dunham: How are you doing, Walter?
Walter: What the hell happened to your hair? It looks like you were in a freakin’ car wreck.
Jeff Dunham: Well, they said it makes me look hip.
Walter: I think it makes you look homeless! Been in D.C. for two days and you’re already freakin’ homeless!

Walter: I used to chase skirts all over the world, until I got to Scotland, and, Boy, was I surprised!


Walter: Aw, kids with their hipping and their hopping and... Pull up your damn pants, you morons!


Walter: They say women age like fine wine. She’s aging like milk!


And Jeff seems to be tackling some jokes that others aren’t these days...

Achmed the Dead Terrorist: Knock, knock.
Jeff Dunham: Who’s there?
Achmed the Dead Terrorist: Me, I kill you!

Achmed the Dead Terrorist: Two Jews walk in a bar...
Jeff Dunham: No. No.
Achmed the Dead Terrorist: What?
Jeff Dunham: No.
Achmed the Dead Terrorist: What? You don’t let Jews in your bar? You racist bastard!


21 posted on 05/13/2008 9:40:27 PM PDT by weegee (Osama Obama claims to have visited 57 states now. Can you say Potatoe Head?)
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To: Lancey Howard

with SOOPER Delegates in play, it is certain that the nominee will be “selected” and not elected.

Did either Hillary or Barack ever go on record against the Electoral College?


22 posted on 05/13/2008 9:41:47 PM PDT by weegee (Osama Obama claims to have visited 57 states now. Can you say Potatoe Head?)
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To: weegee
Did either Hillary or Barack ever go on record against the Electoral College?

Good question....

23 posted on 05/13/2008 9:43:31 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: upsdriver; The_Republican; penowa; porter_knorr; potlatch; justiceseeker93; ...
Political picture - John McCain
24 posted on 05/13/2008 9:51:30 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT; potlatch; devolve; MeekOneGOP

25 posted on 05/13/2008 9:59:26 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmp !!!


26 posted on 05/13/2008 10:02:08 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO makes me wanna reach across the aisle, too. And SLAP some sense into the fools !!)
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To: LucyT

Ain’t THAT the truth !!!

Amen!

- - - - -

I do NOT look forward to a McRINO Administration. :(


27 posted on 05/13/2008 10:05:51 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO makes me wanna reach across the aisle, too. And SLAP some sense into the fools !!)
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To: TomGuy
McCain still can’t get about 76% of his own party even though he is the presumptive nominee, and that should worry the Pubbies.

Seems to me that he would be thrilled that many Republicans are crossing over to vote for him.
28 posted on 05/13/2008 10:07:24 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (QMC(SW) USN........ CG21 DD988 FFG34 PC6 ARS53)
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To: PhilDragoo; potlatch; MeekOneGOP; ntnychik




29 posted on 05/13/2008 10:16:55 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: The_Republican

According to RCP, this mammoth win has put Hillary in the disputed popular vote lead for the FIRST TIME—by 18,000 votes. Of course that includes FL and MI, but it is still significant. She beat all pre-vote poll estimates with her 41% margin. WV was a huge warning sign to the RATs of Obama’s unelectability in November. Let’s hope they stay the course and nominate him.


30 posted on 05/13/2008 10:19:53 PM PDT by montag813
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To: devolve; porter_knorr

Check out this terrific graphic.


31 posted on 05/13/2008 10:20:38 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: devolve

Dat iz one PARful animation there, DV !!

Excellent!


32 posted on 05/13/2008 10:20:55 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO makes me wanna reach across the aisle, too. And SLAP some sense into the fools !!)
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To: PhilDragoo; porter_knorr

Check out this great photo.


33 posted on 05/13/2008 10:21:24 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: The_Republican
Missouri is a state he already won in the primaries

If the voter ID amendment they are pushing in MO was already law, Obama would have lost that state to Clinton by 5% or more (and of course Ashcroft never would have lost his Senate seat).

34 posted on 05/13/2008 10:22:19 PM PDT by montag813
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To: The_Republican

35 posted on 05/13/2008 10:23:15 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Lancey Howard
Hillary Clinton must take the race all the way to the Democrat convention. To do anything less would be a slap in the face to all those who have supported her and donated to her campaign.

Not to mention making for a couple weeks worth of 'Must See TV'! ( There's nuthin' on in August but repeats, anyways.)

Repeat 68!

36 posted on 05/13/2008 10:35:34 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: The_Republican

You just knew the Old Crow would caw.


37 posted on 05/13/2008 10:36:29 PM PDT by pankot
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To: devolve

Great work, as usual.


38 posted on 05/13/2008 10:45:37 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: devolve

Wow. That’s downright impressive.


39 posted on 05/13/2008 10:54:39 PM PDT by Allegra (TEHRAN DELENDA EST)
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To: LucyT

;’)


40 posted on 05/13/2008 10:59:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: doug from upland; potlatch

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Thanks

It’s always evolving

Obama & Ayers are 2 of potlatch’s latest

The large WTC/911 is a larger version of an impressionist Manhattan night graphic I made long ago and we animated to a “flicker” 2-frame image last year

Amazing how it becomes so relevant once again


41 posted on 05/13/2008 11:00:05 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: LucyT
Weak as his opponents may be, as long as McCain is giving speeches the Democrat candidate (Obama or Clinton) has a good chance. His ego will not allow him to take advantage of weak competition. If he would just shut up, he might pull it off ...but alas, his deep-rooted liberal bent and unquenching desire to snub conservatives will be his undoing.

McCain 2008 - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

42 posted on 05/13/2008 11:03:18 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (Electing a bad Senator will not produce a good President. - Clinton, Obama or McCain)
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To: Allegra; potlatch

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Thanks -

The large graphics are are result of potlatch’s PC in Texas and my WebTV Plus in an undisclosed location

I just enhanced and enlarged that animated BG to 980x735 earlier tonight from an earlier version 3.0


43 posted on 05/13/2008 11:05:44 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: montag813

If she could win the popular vote excluding Michigan, she’d have a legitimate claim on the nomination.


44 posted on 05/13/2008 11:36:04 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney
I believe what you say. The Clintons have always managed to get what they want. They scare me, I want to be rid of her so we can start dealing with Obama.

I don't think he can win the Presidency.

45 posted on 05/14/2008 12:10:32 AM PDT by BlueVelvet
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To: BlueVelvet

He can’t. If for no other reason than the majority of whites and hispanics just plain aren’t going to vote for somebody black for president. Not ready yet. But the Clintons can win. If they come back from this and steal the nomination after everything, the general election would be child’s play for them. And to think-conservatives who hate them kept them alive back in Texas.


46 posted on 05/14/2008 1:24:11 AM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels is like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney
If for no other reason than the majority of whites and hispanics just plain aren’t going to vote for somebody black for president.

That's absurd. I believe well over 90% of white voters would be willing to vote for a black candidate, and some are looking for any reason to vote for one.

47 posted on 05/14/2008 1:47:07 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (Election 2008 - American Idol except no one can sing.)
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To: doug from upland

Thanks, West Virginia, for showing that all of the people in the USA are not crazy.


48 posted on 05/14/2008 1:56:05 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: Jaguarmike

bingo...you said it...he has big problems and he is fool if he thinks he can, excuse the pun, white wash it


49 posted on 05/14/2008 3:06:13 AM PDT by Irishguy (How do ya LIKE THOSE APPLES!!!!)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney

Re; And to think-conservatives who hate them kept them alive back in Texas.

But wasn’t that the Rush Chaos thing that helped Hillary there?


50 posted on 05/14/2008 3:39:06 AM PDT by BlueVelvet
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