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Violence in Mexico spills across US border
Associated Press ^ | May 14, 2008 | EILEEN SULLIVAN

Posted on 05/14/2008 8:32:34 AM PDT by dvan

WASHINGTON - Three Mexican police chiefs have requested political asylum in the U.S. as violence escalates in the Mexican drug wars and spills across the U.S. border, a top Homeland Security official told The Associated Press.

In the past few months, the police officials have shown up at the U.S. border, fearing for their lives, according to Jayson Ahern, the deputy commissioner of Customs and Border Protection.

"They're basically abandoned by their police officers or police departments in many cases," Ahern told AP.

Ahern said the Mexican officials — whom he didn't name — are being interviewed and their cases are under review for possible asylum.

In the most recent high-level assassination, a top-ranking official on a local Mexican police force was shot more than 50 times and killed. Drug-related violence killed more than 2,500 people last year alone in Mexico.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: border; crime; immigration; mexico; violence
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1 posted on 05/14/2008 8:32:34 AM PDT by dvan
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To: dvan
Send the f*&%#() UN down there to set up a ‘refugee aid station” Then we can send these asylum seekers home when the dust settles instead of absorbing them into our already bursting ranks of illegals here.
2 posted on 05/14/2008 8:35:38 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: dvan

Pretty soon all illegal aliens will be seeking political asylum if these former police chiefs are allowed to stay.


3 posted on 05/14/2008 8:37:04 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: dvan

clone “blackjack” Pershing now!!


4 posted on 05/14/2008 8:41:24 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: dvan

“Violence in Mexico spills across US border”

Savagery generated in fundamentally corrupt, lawless, third-world hellhole spills across into civilized country, paragon of western civilisation development.


5 posted on 05/14/2008 8:43:00 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: dvan

If you ask me, it’s disgraceful that we don’t militarize that border, with orders to shoot back with overwhelming firepower when fired upon, and even make incursions into Mexico to chase down and eliminate some of the SOBs.


6 posted on 05/14/2008 8:48:15 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: dvan

Why don’t Mexicans fix Mexico?


7 posted on 05/14/2008 8:48:52 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: dvan

In this May 9, 2008, file photo, Mexican army soldiers
patrol the area near the site of a high level security
cabinet news conference after meeting with various sectors
of society to address the growing violence in the region
in Tijuana, Mexico. (AP Photo/David Maung)
8 posted on 05/14/2008 8:55:14 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: SwinneySwitch

This is about 15 miles from my home.. comforting thought...


9 posted on 05/14/2008 9:01:17 AM PDT by JoanneSD (illegals represented without taxation.. Americans taxed without representation)
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To: Man50D
And Mexico is the country that La Raza or Aztlan wants to join?
10 posted on 05/14/2008 9:08:54 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: dvan

Violence in Mexico

BUT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. Mexico has "reasonable restrictions" (ie a near total ban) on civilian gun ownership. Jackass Schumer, Jackass Obama, Jackass Feinstein, Jackass Boxer, Jackass Kennedy, etc. have all been telling us that they vote for gun control to make us safer. If they weren't lying then Mexico would be one of the safest countries. Hmm I wonder what went wrong.

I KNOW!!! They "Just didn't go far enough.*" A total ban isn't far enough. or maybe "It's the ready availability of guns in the USA.**" Yep that's the ticket.

* A frequent bray from gun controlles when backed into a corner with facts about the failure of their idiotic civilian disarmement schemes

** I think moron Fenty, Mare of Wash DC blamed the ready availability of guns in VA (with a violent crim rate of about 1/6th that of DC) for the violence in DC.

11 posted on 05/14/2008 9:19:56 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Fido969

“Why don’t Mexicans fix Mexico?”

Because those who ARE in a position to actually do something about this mess, either are benefitting from the present situation, or they are in mortal fear of the consequences if they try.

There is not a lot of personal courage among the ruling class in Mexico, and they do not have to be particularly responsive to the underclass. The underclass can always be persuaded to flee to the United States and live off our largesse.

Time we entered the country and instituted a “regime change” on the order of what was done in Iraq and Afghanistan. And since Mexico is much closer, it would be much simpler just to annex the entire country, and run it as a US territory.

Worked with Hawaii. THAT was an independent country at one time.

As was Texas, and the “Bear Flag Republic” of California.


12 posted on 05/14/2008 9:32:17 AM PDT by alloysteel (Is John McCain headed into the Perfect Storm? You bet he is.)
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To: quadrant

“And Mexico is the country that La Raza or Aztlan wants to join?”

I doubt that LaRaza has any great love for Mexico or Hispanic culture in general. They are driven by disdain of the gringo, specifically the undeniable ascendency and superiority of white-man driven western civilisation.

A better strategy would be to emulate rather than attack, but that requires work, and lacks the reassuring comfort of hatred.


13 posted on 05/14/2008 9:40:36 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: dvan

“Three Mexican police chiefs have requested political asylum in the U.S.”

Nice of them to ask first before just coming in.


14 posted on 05/14/2008 9:44:45 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: dvan
While news of drug wars are reported south of the border -- there is no reporting of the matter north of the border. A check of wanted for murder posters of any of the biggest cities in the USA will show that hispanics are hugely represented. In some places like LA they vary from 90-100% of the people wanted for murder. Until early last year their nationalities were listed. They were all illegals.

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. He said further that most of illegals in the federal prisons were in for drug related charges. Most of the illegals in jail for murder were in the state prisons. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. If you check the links you'll notice that its McCain who cites Chertoff. See also here and here Here is more info from Judicial Watch.

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower.


15 posted on 05/14/2008 9:48:49 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: alloysteel
Time we entered the country and instituted a “regime change”...

Actually this is what they are already doing to us and we don't like it. Invading other nations to "straighten them out" doesn't seem very conservative to me.

16 posted on 05/14/2008 9:52:23 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: dvan

If it hadn’t been for the Army Of The West liberating the Southwest, those same police chiefs would be climbing the Rockies to get out of Mexico. Let’s keep the Southwest liberated.


17 posted on 05/14/2008 9:54:26 AM PDT by pallis
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To: EyeGuy
I agree that envy drives the motives of most - if not almost all - of those who support La Raza or Aztlan, but so does pride. Supporters of these causes would rather wallow in their own lack of development than emulate the hated gringo.
18 posted on 05/14/2008 9:54:36 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: Fido969
Why don’t Mexicans fix Mexico?

The drug cartels have more resources than the Mexican government.

They are a little like the middle east jihadist except their gods are drugs & money.

Wouldn't it be a surprise if the same enemies that are lined up against us around the world are also tied to the narco terrorists?

19 posted on 05/14/2008 9:56:31 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Few things are more dangerous than articulate superficiality.)
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To: dvan
As this continues I will bet the only thing that will solve this is when some sort of strongman with a populist/fascist ideology emerges in Mexico, like a Mussolini type.

He will use the army against the Cartels like Mussolini crushed the Mafia in Sicily. You will see mass migrations of Mexicans into the US trying to avoid the fighting. It will be far worse than today.

Sections of the US border region will resemble southern Lebanon with refugee camps like the Palestinians have now. The US will be forced to deploy the military to the border to quell the disorder and only then will we have effective border control.

20 posted on 05/14/2008 9:58:36 AM PDT by Polynikes (Yo, homie. Is that my briefcase?)
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To: quadrant

“I agree that envy drives the motives of most - if not almost all - of those who support La Raza or Aztlan, but so does pride. Supporters of these causes would rather wallow in their own lack of development than emulate the hated gringo.”

Well then perhaps a history lesson is in order then.

After all, their ancestors, at least the Spanish ones, were at one time a large contributor to the success and traditions of Western Civ.


21 posted on 05/14/2008 10:00:07 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: LibWhacker
If you ask me, it’s disgraceful that we don’t militarize that border, with orders to shoot back with overwhelming firepower when fired upon, and even make incursions into Mexico to chase down and eliminate some of the SOBs.

It only a matter of time before they start using IEDs on our Border Patrol Agents, I have been predicting it for a year now.

22 posted on 05/14/2008 10:23:39 AM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: alloysteel
And since Mexico is much closer, it would be much simpler just to annex the entire country, and run it as a US territory.

LOL Just start a guest-worker program and train and equip them to occupy Mexico. 3/4th of the Mexican military would join up as they pay would quadruple.

The scary part is that it would probably work.

23 posted on 05/14/2008 10:31:07 AM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: EyeGuy
Lessons, no matter how truthful, would not work. These groups have developed their own narratives of history based on their desires. Of course, these narratives are mostly distortions or outright fabrications, but they have the force of truth to believers. As these narratives are considered “truth”, attempts to dissuade will be resisted fiercely.
24 posted on 05/14/2008 10:41:18 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: alloysteel
“As was Texas”

Just for the record (and any misunderstanding), Texas was never *occupied* by US forces nor, was it involuntarily annexed.

“either are benefiting from the present situation, or they are in mortal fear of the consequences if they try.”

Same problem on this side of the border.

25 posted on 05/14/2008 12:41:23 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: dvan

bttt


26 posted on 05/14/2008 10:58:29 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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