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Smoke Nazis Roll Over Pipe Smokers Convention, Individual Rights
DBKP ^ | May 14, 2008 | Mondoreb

Posted on 05/14/2008 10:07:58 AM PDT by mondoreb

SMOKE NAZIS On the March in: Chicago

Smoke Nazis in the Chicago area rolled over the right of free association, when they forced attendees to the Chicagoland International Pipe and Tobacciana Show to go outside to smoke.

At the Chicagoland International Pipe & Tobacciana Show in St. Charles, IL, attendees have been told that, due to a statewide smoking ban that went into effect in January, they may not light up even though theirs is a private gathering of only willing participants. This, despite the fact that the conventioneers bent over backwards to try to reach an accommodation.
There was a time--years in the past--when one could volunteer for the American Cancer Society fund raisers without feeling like a fascist. Now, the ACS is one of the leading components of the Nanny State.

Mike Grady, the ACS's Illinois director of public policy, illustrated the Cancer Society's belief that they are on the side of right--and your rights be damned.

"This is the first time we've seen such a blatant attempt . . . to actually undermine the law through legal sophistry. We're very happy with the outcome. This is the perfect example that the law is being enforced."
Some officials are more insufferable than--cancer?

At least in Illinois, the smoking ban was passed by the legislature and signed by the governor. They can be held accountable for their actions in the next election.

In many locales, smoking bans are administered by Health Departments and Health Boards: groups of unelected officials who can write citations, levy fines and, in some cases, order jail time for offenders. In these cases, voters have no recourse.


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KEYWORDS: chicago; convention; pipesmokers; smokenazis
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Smoke Nazis will not stop--even if every smoker quit today. They would only transfer their need to control and regulate to another behavior, another cause.
1 posted on 05/14/2008 10:07:59 AM PDT by mondoreb
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To: mondoreb

Man, that’s a shame.


2 posted on 05/14/2008 10:09:31 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: mondoreb; Gabz

Quite correct.


3 posted on 05/14/2008 10:09:35 AM PDT by sauropod (I'd rather be waterboarded than vote for Juan McCain)
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To: sauropod

Indian Casinos are the only place in Washington State you can have a beer and a cigar. Needless to say business is booming. I think it’s very ironic that the only people who are really free in the state are the Indians.

Good for them!


4 posted on 05/14/2008 10:11:56 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: mondoreb

I know too many people who smoke who HAVE NOT gotten cancer to have faith in the reports anymore.

There is a population of people who never smoked who get lung cancer- can we conclude that NOT smoking causes cancer? Of course not.

Everything in moderation.

Oh and I quit a long time ago. I am not suggesting I am convinced it is healthy, I just don’t believe the nazi do-gooders anymore


5 posted on 05/14/2008 10:13:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: mondoreb

“I HATE Illinois Nazis.”

- The Blues Brothers


6 posted on 05/14/2008 10:15:53 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: mondoreb

The sheeple stand by willingly giving up
there freedoms cause the Guberment cares!


7 posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:12 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: mondoreb
At least in Illinois, the smoking ban was passed by the legislature and signed by the governor

Nazis all! And the people that voted them in, Nazis too! I mean, it's not like this is a poisonous product that clogs our morgues, hospitals and nursing homes. Oh wait, nevermnd. It is.

8 posted on 05/14/2008 10:17:32 AM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: at bay
Nazis all! You're right; but it's a little easier to swallow knowing that at least the legislature and governor are Smoke Nazis of a representative kind--able to be voted out and face the wrath of the voters.
9 posted on 05/14/2008 10:22:01 AM PDT by mondoreb
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To: mondoreb
Fight nazism. Smoke a cigar.

"Light 'em up if you got 'em."

10 posted on 05/14/2008 10:39:45 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Jack Black
"Smoking on the Res with Joe"

Smokey Joe's Cigar Lounge

11 posted on 05/14/2008 10:43:02 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
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12 posted on 05/14/2008 10:54:44 AM PDT by weegee (Osama Obama claims to have visited 57 states now. Can you say Potatoe Head?)
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To: mondoreb

Powerful Pictures - Thanks for the Article.


13 posted on 05/14/2008 10:54:50 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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To: mondoreb

Move the convention to St. Louis...we will welcome them with open arms (and bars).


14 posted on 05/14/2008 11:02:45 AM PDT by demsux
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To: mondoreb; SheLion; Just another Joe; Gabz
At least in Illinois, the smoking ban was passed by the legislature and signed by the governor. They can be held accountable for their actions in the next election.

Yeah. Like that's gonna happen. < /sarcasm>

15 posted on 05/14/2008 11:09:33 AM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: mondoreb
Don't forget that Chancellor Hitler was a Nazi of a representative kind too.

Never, ever forget that he was elected.

16 posted on 05/14/2008 11:17:55 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Mr. K
I know too many people who smoke who HAVE NOT gotten cancer to have faith in the reports anymore. There is a population of people who never smoked who get lung cancer- can we conclude that NOT smoking causes cancer? Of course not.

Not to be pro or anti smoking but the logic is every loose.

"I know too many people who have been in combat in their 20's and 30's who HAVE NOT died to have faith in the reports anymore.

There is a population of people who never been in combat who have died in their 20's and 30's - can we conclude that NOT going into combat causes death? Of course not."

Does going into combat increase the premature death rate of the population that goes into combat?

Yes.

Does smoking increase the premature death rate of the population that smokes?

Yes.

Am I going to tell people that they cannot risk their lives if they want to?

No.

17 posted on 05/14/2008 11:18:34 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Knitebane

Not to mention a rabid anti-smoker, as well.


18 posted on 05/14/2008 11:23:13 AM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: mondoreb

Smoking is unquestionably a bad habit, but the issue of second-hand exposure is hardly settled as a matter of science. The evidence is, well, hazy. Under such circumstances, free people could normally be entrusted to reach voluntary agreements and mutually satisfactory arrangements. But, no. The desire for control over other people’s lives and resources (a pretty bad habit, too) translates into taxation, then regulation, then punitive law, and finally to the use of police state power.


19 posted on 05/14/2008 11:26:01 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Peace Is Not The Question.)
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To: mondoreb

I’m very surprised that caffeine has yet to come under attack.


20 posted on 05/14/2008 11:27:15 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: mondoreb

I guess I’m lucky that I am still allowed to smoke my daily cigar outside on my deck...


21 posted on 05/14/2008 11:40:31 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: mondoreb
"Smoke Nazis will not stop--even if every smoker quit today. They would only transfer their need to control and regulate to another behavior, another cause."

Exactly right! In fact they've already started with trans-fats and obesity. Eventually, any conceivable behavior that can be alleged to have an adverse effect on a persons health will be fair game. This will include things like "risky" sports as well. Say goodbye to High School and College Football.

"Just shut up and take it! It's for your own stupid good. Don't you rubes know that only we elitists know what's best for you?"

22 posted on 05/14/2008 11:53:52 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Shhhh! Don’t give ‘em any ideas!


23 posted on 05/14/2008 12:27:11 PM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: onedoug
Smoke 'em if you got 'em I am surrounded by stogies...
24 posted on 05/14/2008 12:45:58 PM PDT by mondoreb
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To: andy58-in-nh
the use of police state power

Yes, to use this power against the smoke in the air where young people work, that stinks! Not the air, I mean, although, o.k., that stinks too. No, I'm with you this "majority will" thing stinks, even though the air no longer will. Wait! This is coming out all wrong! This stinks! They're all Nazis! They probably have big ovens buried in their basements! Oh, the drama! Oh, the injustice of it all! Oh, the addiction affecting my brain! My brain needs more nicotine! The Nazis are making my brain feel threatened! This stinks! Not the air, though, although, O.K. it does smell, but whether it stinks or not, can't we all just get along? Can't we agree that we disagree and let me light up for God's sake! I mean it's not like I'm lighting a mini-bonfire in front of my face and sucking in the smoke. It's not that I'm doing my best impression of a chimney. I am a legitimate smoker! It is my God-given right to light up anywhere, throw the butts as I please and whine about it all night taking up bandwidth on conservative websites. Well this is the great cause of my life even though so many Nazis think it stinks! I am being persecuted! Wait til they come after all those with bellybuttons that could be categorized as "innies". Then you'll see the persecution we smokers are under! They are already trying to ban adulterants in food. I happen to like the greasy crisco! My wife has told me to keep eating it, but just to be on the safe side she has increased my life insurance tenfold to a million dollars! Makes good sense! Either way, I or she wins! She also often pulls a cigarette out of the carton and says "Here, honey. Smoke up." See, at least someone loves me! Thank God she's no Nazi. She's never even said a word about me quitting for the children's sake or anything! Like I said, it's "Have another one, dear." many times a day!

25 posted on 05/14/2008 7:28:10 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: at bay; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ...

TO: at bay

Has anyone recently told you that you are a jackass? If not, consider yourself told.


26 posted on 05/14/2008 7:36:34 PM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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...when they forced attendees to the Chicagoland International Pipe and Tobacciana Show to go outside to smoke.

Sadly enough most of them would have hoped for a free toke if it were an illegal bong.

27 posted on 05/14/2008 7:42:46 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: at bay
You are a certifiable lunatic.

Find another, hopefully more productive obsession.

28 posted on 05/14/2008 7:48:13 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Gabz

I was under the impression that piece of scum had its account banned. Must have only been temporary.


29 posted on 05/14/2008 9:54:52 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels is like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: Jack Black

We just attended a cigar fest last saturday nite. It took place in a building on the state fair grounds. The aroma inside was exquisite!


30 posted on 05/14/2008 10:02:06 PM PDT by upsdriver (the maverick upsdriver is writing in Duncan Hunter for president)
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To: onedoug

Lit one up just now! In your honor!


31 posted on 05/14/2008 10:10:43 PM PDT by upsdriver (the maverick upsdriver is writing in Duncan Hunter for president)
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To: elkfersupper
You are a certifiable lunatic

I know you are, feeding them kids roadkill week after week, but what am I?

32 posted on 05/14/2008 10:46:53 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: Gabz
you are a jackass

I know you are, but what am I?

33 posted on 05/14/2008 10:48:22 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney
piece of scum

I know u are, but what am I?

34 posted on 05/14/2008 10:51:48 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: Gabz; at bay
Has anyone recently told you that you are a jackass? If not, consider yourself told.

Seconding that.

35 posted on 05/14/2008 10:54:24 PM PDT by Allegra (TEHRAN DELENDA EST)
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you imbalanced freak

I know u are. What am I?

37 posted on 05/14/2008 11:09:37 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: at bay

Ha! Ha! You’re a live one! Get a Job.


38 posted on 05/14/2008 11:12:56 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

“Get a Job.”

When I go out to job interviews, I always walk in smoking, usually a clove. I mean, let’s get it out of the way quickly! You know what most of them say while showing me the door—”Smoking is illegal in businesses in California, and we’re not going out on a limb for any employee, let alone a new hire!” Can you believe their attitude!


39 posted on 05/14/2008 11:18:45 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: at bay

I need a cut of your hair.


40 posted on 05/14/2008 11:23:11 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Knitebane

Ouch, good point. Thanks for the reminder.


41 posted on 05/15/2008 6:27:23 AM PDT by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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To: at bay
I know you are, but what am I?

Obviously illiterate, since you are incapable of comprehending a simple sentence.

42 posted on 05/15/2008 10:28:15 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: at bay
Nazis all! And the people that voted them in, Nazis too! I mean, it's not like this is a poisonous product that clogs our morgues, hospitals and nursing homes. Oh wait, nevermnd. It is.

Government tyranny has clogged more morgues and hospitals than tobacco ever could. At least with tobacco, I can choose whether or not I want to take the risk. Tyranny, unfortunately, does not allow one to opt out.

43 posted on 05/15/2008 6:08:17 PM PDT by ellery (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock -T. Jefferson)
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To: at bay
I know you are, feeding them kids roadkill week after week, but what am I?

A control-freak neo-Nazi victim, rescuable only by government action and intervention.

44 posted on 05/15/2008 7:54:41 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Polybius

Thanks for the reply, and I do see your point.

Has anyone ever heard figures about the number of people who DO NOT smoke who get lung cancer?

It would be an intersting statistic


45 posted on 05/16/2008 7:47:08 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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Thanks for the reply, and I do see your point. Has anyone ever heard figures about the number of people who DO NOT smoke who get lung cancer? It would be an interesting statistic.

The percentage of lung cancer patients who have never smoked is approximately 10%.

Each year, over 170,000 Americans develop lung cancer, and approximately ten per cent of lung cancers, or 17,000 cases, occur in non-smokers.

46 posted on 05/16/2008 8:38:19 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: ellery

“At least with tobacco...”

Alright! You’re using smoke very well, now just add mirrors!


47 posted on 05/16/2008 8:46:01 AM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: Polybius

Of that ten per cent, what number live around a chimney person?


48 posted on 05/16/2008 8:49:38 AM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: at bay; Gabz
I salute you. It takes a special type of person to consistently and proudly expose his open running sores for the whole world to see and wonder at.

I'm sorry that your mother never loved you. Surely if she had, she would have sought treatment for you early on while there was still hope that you could live a normal life.

Why don't you yell upstairs and ask her about it?

49 posted on 05/16/2008 11:00:54 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

I too am sorry that you had a mother that abandoned you at a tiny age, if not physically then psychologically, and it has left you with a wicked disposition and a foul mouth with a weed hanging out of it most times to calm your frazzled, abandoned-induced panic-stricken nerves.


50 posted on 05/16/2008 11:40:29 AM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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