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The GOP Dumps on Conservatives, Then Blames Us for Their Losses
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051408/content/01125108.guest.html ^

Posted on 05/14/2008 6:04:41 PM PDT by newbie2008

RUSH: I've been waiting for this, and I am prepared for this. I just got an e-mail, not a subscriber. This is in the general e-mail account at ElRushbo@eibnet.com. It's from a woman called Sandy Bose. I guess that's how you pronounce it.

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"Dear Rush: Since Operation Chaos, the GOP has lost three congressional seats. I'm a conservative. I have nothing. I have no candidate for president. I have no national party unit, and no Rush, who is consumed with Operation Chaos. Enough is enough. Sandy Bose." I've been waiting for this. I've been waiting for somebody to try to blame me for the Republican Party's inability to win in a district that George Bush carried by 20 points in 2004, talking about northern Mississippi.

Ladies and gentlemen, go ahead and attack me. Don't attack the moderates in the party; don't attack the Republican establishment; don't attack the country club types who are in the process of destroying the Republican Party. No, no, no, no, go right ahead and attack me. Operation Chaos has nothing to do with voting against conservative

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1 posted on 05/14/2008 6:04:41 PM PDT by newbie2008
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To: newbie2008

The long decline of the Bush administration has been horrible for the Republican Party label. We should have never lost the Congressional race last night.


2 posted on 05/14/2008 6:09:18 PM PDT by RKB-AFG (1133)
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To: RKB-AFG

Could it have been votor fraud?


3 posted on 05/14/2008 6:14:00 PM PDT by make no mistake
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To: newbie2008

Rush may have inadvertently stumbled on something very important: if in an election, conservatives can vote for a conservative Democrat instead of a liberal Republican, who should they vote for?

Since 1968, when the leftist radicals took over the Democrat party, conservatives have had no real choice. Either they voted for Republicans, no matter how lame, or else a leftist radical might win. Time after time, it was just the case that the lesser of two evils is still evil.

Conservatives have had to grin and bear it for forty years, as the country club Republicans and the RINOs, and a few wealthy liberal Republicans kept choosing the path of weakness, fiscal irresponsibility, and creeping socialism for the party they controlled.

But now, out of the blue, the Democrat party is starting to get a serious block of “blue dog” Democrats. Already, in many ways, there are more conservatives on the Democrat side than on the Republican side. Or at least they have far more discipline, and act as a bloc.

So let me propose the obvious: conservatives taking over the Democrat party!

If the Democrat party becomes the conservative party, then to heck with the liberal, RINO, and corporate Republicans.

They can still have the party they stole, but no longer will they have more than a few seats. The Republican party will wither until it is of a third party status.

The Democrat party will be the conservative party.


4 posted on 05/14/2008 6:19:13 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: make no mistake

No, it’s all Bush’s fault. The most hated man in all the world is Bush and everything is bad that happens is Bush’s fault. /S


5 posted on 05/14/2008 6:19:46 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: RKB-AFG

>We should have never lost the Congressional race last night.

“We” as in the RNC should never have endorsed and propped up Snarlin Arlen Specter either.

If the GOP had supported K Harris, we may well have had her instead of Nelson and Martinez.

And Casey should not have sent a fine conservative Senator like Rick Santorum packing.
No support for Conservatives is the new GOP mantra. - and they can live with it.
No more money or support from me for any National organization - just individual Conservatives.


6 posted on 05/14/2008 6:20:33 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: newbie2008

the 2006 elections, on the other hand...


7 posted on 05/14/2008 6:25:46 PM PDT by Third Order
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To: RKB-AFG

Oh please. The GOP lost it after 94, not 2000. in 94 they had everything, and they blinked. They never learned how to govern as the majority party. They knuckled under to the dems when they didn’t have to.

So you think Gore would’ve been better, huh?


8 posted on 05/14/2008 6:27:31 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: newbie2008
if the Democrat Party were not so controlled by a bunch of radical leftists, do you realize the wide-open shot they have at taking over the Republican Party?

One has to ponder if the Republican party were controlled by a bunch of right wing driven people and promoted their agenda formidably, do you realize the wide-open shot they would have at taking over the democrat party?

9 posted on 05/14/2008 6:27:35 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The Democrat party IS the Socialist Party ever since the radicals took it over 40 years ago.

The Republican Party is the RINO party as the political “middle” has been ever shifting Left. Not by popular support but by infiltration of both parties by Lefty candidates.

There is no UPSIDE to voting for someone “conservative” with a D next to his name. He will not have any power within Congress. No oversight. Just a “vote” that he owes to the majority whip.

The control of Congress is held by the majority party. Democrats realize this and will play to the middle to keep control. They’ve also turned some politicians after losing an election.

We should be working to get the DINOs conservatives to change party affliation to Republican after they are elected as Democrats. Alternatively, after the 2008 election, ALL conservatives should abruptly change party affiliation to a new third party and abandon the Republican Party to the Democrat insiders who dilute it. Wait until after the election to avoid having RINOs run against you in the fall and to spend the party’s money that you rightly collected for them.


10 posted on 05/14/2008 6:30:05 PM PDT by weegee (Vote NO on Marxism in 2008.)
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To: make no mistake
Could it have been votor fraud?

Perhaps you mean defraud. As in the gop has been attempting to defraud the people out of their votes by pretending to be something they are not.

Rush has a point, the gop has dove to the left and conceded terrain that the dnc is making a calculated effort to seize.

The right isn't losing because they are conservative while the country has gone left, they are losing because they are swinging away from what the people want and now some wily democrats are pretending to be what the republicans previously pretended to be.

And Le Théâtre de l'Absurde continues.
11 posted on 05/14/2008 6:30:15 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: make no mistake

Not in this case.


12 posted on 05/14/2008 6:31:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: bill1952
“We” as in the RNC should never have endorsed and propped up Snarlin Arlen Specter...

ANYONE who doesn't promote conservative values.

13 posted on 05/14/2008 6:32:13 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: newbie2008
The hack politicians of the Republican party abandon the conservative principles that gave them the majority, then panic and point fingers elsewhere when their own antics decrease their successes and numbers.

I think some grass roots conservative candidates need to get built from the ground up, we retire the old spineless gas bags and start again.

This is an opportunity.

The only reason for the problem is Republican Politicians leaving the path that got them in power.
They have instead been sleeping with Democrat dogs and are infested with fleas.

14 posted on 05/14/2008 6:33:49 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: newbie2008
Conservative fantasies they are neglected is not the problem Republicans face. Thomas Frank (a liberal)writing in today's WSJ states:

"...It's not a mistake anyone can make any longer, whether they are pondering the voting patterns of working-class Hoosiers or the driest statistics in the record book. Median "nonelderly" household income, we find, fell consistently through the first half of this decade, despite the solid economic growth enjoyed by the country as a whole.

"...Some nonmedian folks did just fine, of course: The top 20% of households earned more, after taxes, than the rest of the country combined in 2005, while the topmost 1% of the population took home more than the bottom 40%. The top-earning hedge fund manager of 2007, in fact, made about as much last year in nominal dollars ($3.7 billion) as J. Paul Getty, one of the richest men in the world, was worth in the mid-1970s.

"Real hourly wages for most workers, on the other hand, have risen only 1% since 1979, even as those workers' productivity has increased by 60%. What's more, American workers now clock more hours per year than their counterparts in virtually every other advanced economy, even Japan. And unless you haven't read a newspaper for 15 years, you already know what's happened to workers' health insurance and pension plans.

I confess that I am fascinated by the mechanics of this huge social reconfiguration – in the same sense that I am fascinated by the industrial procedures of a slaughterhouse, or by the strategies that enabled small Confederate armies to win victories for slavery over much larger Union forces. How the big change was brought off is the subject of Steven Greenhouse's important new book, "The Big Squeeze," which is also my source for many of the statistics in the preceding paragraphs. Aside from the outsourcing, offshoring, and firing-at-will that make up the best-known weapons in the corporate arsenal, Mr. Greenhouse reveals how managers extract unpaid work through an array of ingenious tricks, from eliminating bathroom breaks to electronically erasing hours from workers' records.

I hope these statistics are wrong, but suspect they are true. I do note that he has not included the catastrophic increase in employer health care costs as part of worker's pay.

In any case with 11 cents of every consumer dollar going for gasoline vs. the 10 year average of 4%, the electorate is angry, upset and in a blaming mood. It will take a while for them to figure out that the Democrats are not going to return this country to its traditions of cheap energy, cheap food and cheap housing.

15 posted on 05/14/2008 6:36:47 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: RKB-AFG

Sept. 16, 2002
GOP Left Holds Right Hostage

Running to the middle — whether by actually moving left or by sticking to mushy, vague platitudes — fails because it ignores simple math. In elections where less than one-half (and often less than one-third) of the people vote, simply turning out all your own people will win time and again. What’s more, the “middle” largely is irrelevant. Most people who vote are, by definition, interested, and therefore have an opinion; thus, running to the undecided middle means trying to convince people who probably won’t vote, while turning off the people who would elect you, if you gave them a reason to do so.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/753055/posts


16 posted on 05/14/2008 6:36:52 PM PDT by donna ("Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.")
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To: newbie2008
Ladies and gentlemen, go ahead and attack me. Don't attack the moderates in the party; don't attack the Republican establishment; don't attack the country club types who are in the process of destroying the Republican Party.

Paging Senator Luger. Senator Lugar, please pick up the white courtesy phone; we have a message for you.

17 posted on 05/14/2008 6:37:15 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: weegee
ALL conservatives should abruptly change party affiliation to a new third party and abandon the Republican Party to the Democrat insiders who dilute it.

Fear and lack of understanding by most of the true reason behind the creation of two political parties prevents this from happening.

18 posted on 05/14/2008 6:37:55 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: HoosierHawk
Paging Senator Luger. Senator Lugar, please pick up the white courtesy phone; we have a message for you.

HEH...HEH...HEH...

19 posted on 05/14/2008 6:41:46 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: weegee
In the last election, the suburbs of Philadelphia voted in the supposedly-conservative-Democrat Joe Sestak to replace Republican Curt Weldon.

Sestak is now sponsoring a return of the "Assault Weapons Ban"

There is no such thing as a conservative Democrat. Any Democrat who does not bow to the party leadership will be disciplined.

20 posted on 05/14/2008 6:42:14 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell)
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To: newbie2008

The RNC/DC elites have ruined a home for conservatives. This has been going on for years and soon we will have to decide for a new party or take control of the GOP.

But maybe we all need to share some of the blame...we elect/re-elect someone because they carry an R assuming they will do the right thing. This hasn’t been the case now for several elections.

One thing for sure is the conservative base is in an ugly mood and its getting worse(better?) by the day.


21 posted on 05/14/2008 6:42:25 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The Democrat party will be the conservative party.

The problem with that premise, is that Democrats vote in complete lockstep with their party's Fuhrer, err.... I mean leadership. Look at Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller, they broke out of the marxist worshipping democrat mold and they are both probably recieving death threats every day from Soros funded crazies. You watch, every one of these recent "conservative democrat" candidates from the last couple elections will voter however Pelosi, Soros, and Kennedy tell them to because of what's in their FBI files.
22 posted on 05/14/2008 6:47:25 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: All

Rush has been hysterical the last couple of days and I don’t mean in a comical way. He is blaming a lack of leadership for our (Conservatives’) problems when the real blame is much wider. George W. Bush and his father have always represented the middle ground in the Republican Party and were a compromise (of sorts) between the old remnants of the Moderate Rockefeller/Nixon/Ford wing of the party and the Goldwater/Reagan Conservatives.

Much of the criticism of W. Bush echoes the criticism of Reagan at the end of his second term. We as Conservatives haven’t done the job to elect Conservatives and it shows when a McCain is nominated. We’ve had better choices and we have failed. Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter, Pete DuPont, Steve Forbes, and even Jack Kemp had better credentials than the men that won the nominations. Are many so-called self-described Conservatives really closet Moderates? Do we have true thinking Conservatives cutting off their own noses to spit their own faces by voting for moderates?

Any Conservative that votes for a democrat that supports the national democrat party with some mistaken idea that by doing so he will advance Conservative principles is a Fool. We need as many true Conservatives as we can get in Congress to roadblock any irreversible progress by the left in the next two years. There are no Conservative democrats left running for congress and the idea that Woody Jenkins and the fellow in Mississippi are less Conservative than the democrats is just plain stupid.


23 posted on 05/14/2008 6:47:25 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: rrrod
One thing for sure is the conservative base is in an ugly mood and its getting worse...

Seeing the promotion of conservatism dissipating via political dictate does have a tendency to create this scenario.

24 posted on 05/14/2008 6:47:41 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Ramius
"..Oh please. The GOP lost it after 94, not 2000. in 94 they had everything, and they blinked..."

Yup, you nailed it! They did not have the White House but they had the momentum. They tossed it all away.

25 posted on 05/14/2008 6:48:36 PM PDT by Radix (The Army Times will not let me post "their images" of OUR Troops on Free Republic)
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To: Oklahoma
the idea that Woody Jenkins and the fellow in Mississippi are less Conservative than the democrats is just plain stupid.

Where did these guys stand on "comprehensive immigration reform?"
26 posted on 05/14/2008 6:49:46 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: rrrod

Vote Republican: We promise not to piss away another 14 years.


27 posted on 05/14/2008 6:51:06 PM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Tailback

You tell me, Bub. I’m not a single issue voter and I’ll take what I can get, when I can get it. You’re not going to get a touchdown every play and the game isn’t lost just because you don’t.


28 posted on 05/14/2008 6:55:18 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: newbie2008

The real problem is that a politicians reason for being, is to write laws and spend money.

A good conservative should do neither, that is why we have so few good conservatives.


29 posted on 05/14/2008 7:00:01 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: BARLF
Ah, Bush is the leader of the Republican Party and has been the leader since the summer of 2000. If the GOP declined on his watch, it's his responsibility as head of the party.

For me, I'd write in Mickey Mouse before voting for a Bush, any Bush from any State, anywhere, anytime.

BTW, what's Bush been doing his last year in office? Hmmmm? It seems that Bush's #1 priority is to create a Palestinian State. Carter catches flak for meeting with Hamas, but Bush is one of the funders and armorers of Hamas. Setting up a terrorist Palestinian State is the worst idea, since God invented ideas. Bush pushes it.

30 posted on 05/14/2008 7:03:14 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: A CA Guy
As government gets ever more intrusive, more and more people are ready to hear the small, limited government message. That's why Ron Paul has gotten the votes he has - a few maybbe antiwar conservatives, but many more are anti-government conservatives. Where is the Republican Party on limited government? OUT TO LUNCH! If they would articulate THAT message - the one that says what kind of toilet you have isn't any business of the federal government, the one that says the person who pays the property tax owns the land and controls its use, the one that says the federal government has no business funding arts, education, abortion, archeology, etc. The Republican Party has quashed everyone who has that message, because in fact they are yet another big government party.

Rural Americans are still close to half the population, Rural Americans can still demand that the government not trample their rights because the cities don't work. Rural Americans can still demand that interaction with government not have to be part of everyday life.

Think about how often in your life you intersect with government. See Mass Transit? Your taxes at work. You local school? Federal dollars come with federal strings attached. Hear the weather on the radio? National Weather Service competing with private weather companies. Drive a car? Massive federal regulation on those puppies. Want to paint your house? Government controls the kind of paint we are allowed to use (no VOC's, no odor, no oil base, no staying power). Want to build something on your land? If you have zoning and building codes it's probably because your community isn't eligible for government grants to complete government mandated projects (like ever increasing water standards so your water tastes like a swimming pool) unless they meet certain requirements like having "planning". Used to be only the communist countries had 5-year plans.

Government is massively involved in our lives today, because we have allowed our representatives to cede their power to the unelected bureaucracy - the people who have to increase their programs to claim success and increase their funding. My grandparent's remembered a different world, one where your main contact with government was the Post Office and the tax collector. Government didn't tell them what to feed their children, or what they should feed their horses. They didn't have to ask the Army Corps of Engineers if they could fill in the low spot in their back yard (today you are ok with that as long as no one complains - if they do complain the full force of the federal government lands on them).

Can we turn back this massive government intrusion into our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? If we can, it will be the rural people who lead it. The next "unpleasantness" will be rural vs urban, and rural folks do hold the upper hand, if only they'll take time to notice it. Cities don't grow their own food, and they can't get supplies from somewhere else without it traveling through "flyover country".

Can we start again with the republican party? Do we take back the democrat party from the Soros wing? Do we let both those collapse and form a viable third party? Or do we st back and keep watching as we incrementally become every bit as enslaved to the government as the citizens of Cuba?

31 posted on 05/14/2008 7:04:00 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Kay Ludlow
Ron Paul starts with a good small government message then goes off the edge and sounds like a lunatic.

Of course, smaller government (not almost no government) and less government employment works.

Problem is that the Democrats grow dependence and government employments to secure a permanent voting block.

32 posted on 05/14/2008 7:10:04 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: shrinkermd
Median "nonelderly" household income, we find, fell consistently through the first half of this decade, despite the solid economic growth enjoyed by the country as a whole.

Don't you think that has anything to do with the massive number of illegal immigrants that arrived in the last 10 years? There is no question that illegal immigrants drove down the wages of the average non-union construction worker - my father was a contractor, and I've seen what's happened in the construction industry since he's been gone. What about landscaping services? Also driven down by a huge number of people willing to work for much lower wages than their predecessors. Decreasing supply of labor should have increased the value of laborers and increased their wages; instead we allowed our borders to be violated by tens of millions who would increase the supply of labor and DECREASE their value. Both parties joined forces to allow this, but the democrats are better at pinning the blame on the republicans...

33 posted on 05/14/2008 7:12:29 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: A CA Guy
Ron Paul starts with a good small government message then goes off the edge and sounds like a lunatic.

You're right there. I couldn't vote for Paul because he doesn't believe in defending our country. Yet, from hearing the young people who support him, they appreciate his "get government out of the way" message, especially in contrast to Hillary's and Obama's "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" message.

34 posted on 05/14/2008 7:16:38 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Oklahoma
Tailback asked a reasonable question, and you're flip flopping

Post #23.......Do we have true thinking Conservatives cutting off their own noses to spit their own faces by voting for moderates?

Post #26.........I’m not a single issue voter and I’ll take what I can get, when I can get it.

So, which is it, are you willing to cut off your nose, or are you willing to vote for a moderate?

35 posted on 05/14/2008 7:18:25 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (OVERPRODUCTION......... one of the top five worries for American farmers.)
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To: weegee
Alternatively, after the 2008 election, ALL conservatives should abruptly change party affiliation to a new third party and abandon the Republican Party to the Democrat insiders who dilute it.

A new party would be a tremendous undertaking. What would you think about trying the same thing but via the already existing Constitution Party?
36 posted on 05/14/2008 7:21:28 PM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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To: LeGrande

I disagree. Getting reelected is the politicians reason for being. I believe most start with some simple and pure issue or cause and get prostituted sooner or later. Getting one’s name on a law and/or spending money have been traditionally successful for getting reelected. Our GOP leadership has been awful for years - gutless, inarticulate, wimpy, and panderingly ignorant. The whole bunch of them enjoy a lifestyle of elite detachment. I’ll continue to vote for conservatives - if I can find any. This year will be very sad. I was thankful to Rush today cause I thought I was the only one going appoplectic(s?) but I don’t want to start drinking again. As long as Rush is paid to channel my emotions, perhaps I have a chance.


37 posted on 05/14/2008 7:22:08 PM PDT by bossmechanic (Throw the bums out)
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To: bossmechanic

You are right. Getting re-elected is the most important point, that and building campaign war chests (bribes).

It still boils down to the same thing though. To get bribes (their lifeblood) they have to spend your money and write laws that benefit someone somehow.

Everything about the process is not conducive to producing conservative candidates.


38 posted on 05/14/2008 7:31:44 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: newbie2008
The country clubbers in charge of the GOP deserve to lose.

With the franchise expanded to every idiot in the nation and now illegal aliens voting to boot this Republic is doomed anyway.

It was a nice try, but the Founders warned against expanding the franchise to the landless, women, and those under 21, and we just didn't listen.

39 posted on 05/14/2008 7:36:04 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: newbie2008

The GOP needs to get some guts.


40 posted on 05/14/2008 7:40:09 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kay Ludlow
Don't you think that has anything to do with the massive number of illegal immigrants that arrived in the last 10 years?

I think it more likely that the wholesale off-shoring of what were formerly high-paying jobs is the predominate factor. Read 'The World is Flat' by Thomas Friedman.

41 posted on 05/14/2008 8:19:44 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: Eagle Forgotten

It’s just a suggestion but I agree. And there is the Constitution Party and possibly some other existent third parties that should be considered. But the discussions couldn’t really begin until after the fall (again, if the Republican candidate leave the party before the fall election, I assume that the party could put a substitution on the ballot and/or it could make it difficult to get the new party affiliation candidacy on the ballot).

If the GOP cannot be reformed/reconstituted, perhaps it is best to abandon it. But I support this only if the conservative Republicans in office agree to change affiliation. A Democrat majority of 42% with 2 minority parties of 17% “Conservative” and 41% Republican does no one any good. The remaining Republican party would more often than not side with the Democrat party and the two would forever shut out the Conservative party from any panels. Some “I’d rather quit than switch” Republicans would just leave office altogether. Just as the Democrats saw retirements after 1994 when they were suddenly the minority party.


42 posted on 05/14/2008 8:41:55 PM PDT by weegee (Vote NO on Marxism in 2008.)
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To: shrinkermd
I think the author has the conditions in this country today exactly right. I do not believe Ronald Reagan could be elected today in this climate. The majority of the working class as long as they believed if they just worked hard enough one day they could get rich or even well off were not turned off to Republicans or the Conservative message. They didn't fall for the democrat mantra of tax the rich and they'd be better off. They voted on issues like abortion gun rights low taxes for everyone. They preferred the government to stay out of their lives and still believed in rugged individualism. I remember the days when sons followed there fathers into the factories after high school and earned enough to buy a home raise kids educate them and still have enough left to buy that boat the family enjoyed or even buy that little cottage by the lake. Todays working class are forced to lower living standards due to energy prices health insurance premiums property taxes ect... They cannot afford to educate their children in good private schools and most are forced to send their kids to the cesspools we call public school. They are scared and are looking to hear from someone who acknowledges their plight and at least pretends they will help them. They will be sorely disappointed by the democrats in the end but right now they hear very little from Republicans that addresses their concerns.
43 posted on 05/14/2008 8:59:36 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: shrinkermd
In any case with 11 cents of every consumer dollar going for gasoline vs. the 10 year average of 4%, the electorate is angry, upset and in a blaming mood. It will take a while for them to figure out that the Democrats are not going to return this country to its traditions of cheap energy, cheap food and cheap housing.

A LONG while. If the Demos take over the whole block, which is one likely scenario, they will blame Bush FOREVER.

44 posted on 05/15/2008 12:07:45 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Balding_Eagle

Flip-Flopping? Yeah, sure, like Hell. You missed the point. We had self described “Conservatives” that could have voted for Thompson, Hunter, or even Romney this year and didn’t. You tell me why they didn’t.

I’ll vote for a moderate Republican over any Damn Democrat any Damn Day. I won’t like it, but in the end my interests will be more likely to be advanced or protected than if the socialists take over.


45 posted on 05/15/2008 3:47:46 AM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Tailback

I agree with the lockstep theory, now. However, this is because the Democrat party is so thoroughly owned by the radicals. Prior to 1968, the yellow dog southern Democrats maintained a powerful bloc, and with the last elections, the blue dogs made significant gains.

In past, I’ve even come to the conclusion that the Democrat radicals are so dangerously incompetent as far as military policy and foreign affairs (as well as economics), that the
Pentagon should create a black program to encourage veterans to run for public office.

It would be done solely because ignorance of our military and foreign affairs represents a major threat to the security of the United States. Elected officials (of both parties) who live in a fantasy-land of naive ignorance and enthusiastic stupidity are able and willing to start wars that would kill millions of innocent people.

Veterans know better. And while this Pentagon program would be utterly neutral about non-military, non-foreign affairs policies, it would help insure that there are enough veterans serving in congress to prevent terrible disasters or infiltration by foreign powers.


46 posted on 05/15/2008 6:25:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Oklahoma

Yeah, I did miss your point. Thanks for setting me straight.


47 posted on 05/15/2008 7:11:27 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (OVERPRODUCTION......... one of the top five worries for American farmers.)
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To: make no mistake

For one of those seats lost, the Republican was running as a Liberal, and the Democrat was running as a Conservative. The outcome should be enlightening.


48 posted on 05/15/2008 7:13:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Oklahoma

I disagree.

The leadership of the party causes the Republican Party’s struggles.

The party established the rules in the primaries, did not require only Republicans to vote in them, and decided that a few select states could vote before everyone else so as to eliminate the conservative choices by the time I could vote.

The party put resources into who should win those early races to see that the anointed one of the party is chosen. I have never been allowed to vote for my candidate in any meaningful way. The choice for me is easy. I am an irrelevant voter. My vote to nominate can never affect the outcome.

My vote should have as much power as those initial votes in Iowa or Florida. Theirs count, and mine does not.

Now, it is as if we had 100 voters, but the first ten in line get to pick the candidate, and the other 90 can vote for the survivor. If those 90 don’t approve, then they are at blamed for voting in the opposition.

What kind of a democracy is this? One man, one vote…the first to count, the last to confirm.

This is no democracy. This is a game.

I will not accept responsibility for “allowing” a Democrat into the office because I cannot support McCain for President. That was the known and reasonable outcome of the party apparachiks who planned this whole mess. I will not sanction it with my vote.

Don’t expect me to accept the resulting choice for McCain for the greater good of the country or party. If the Republicans cared about the greater good of the country or the party, they would not structure the primaries so, and they would give everyone a chance to vote for a conservative when it actually mattered.

The Republican Party is responsible for this terrible dilemma, and I am not responsible for the outcome of the vote...The party wanted it this way, now they can have it this way.

We need a national primary day with closed primaries.


49 posted on 05/15/2008 7:20:27 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: RochesterFan
I think it more likely that the wholesale off-shoring of what were formerly high-paying jobs is the predominate factor. Read 'The World is Flat' by Thomas Friedman.

I have read it, I'm just not completely in agreement with his analysis. Some of the reduced wages are the result of off-shoring, no question about that. Bu, remember when we were going to have the "giant sucking sound from Mexico" if NAFTA passed? That didn't work out very well, because the rule of law is not as strong south of the border (all the way to the Antarctic. Our companies tried that, but ended up bringing out neighbors here to work so their capital equipment investments would be protected. That is a problem in China as well, that our equipment isn't stolen outright, but duplicated and our customers stolen. It's only really been going gangbusters for 10-15 years, but it'll come around to bite them. Our current government legal structure encourages short-term gains over long term gains, so that's what companies are doing.

50 posted on 05/15/2008 3:39:32 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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